Talk:New Life Ranch
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New Life Ranch is the best place on earth!!! --Anonymous 13:58, 2 February 2006
Consider contributing to the New Life Ranch article to make it better, then! --Tim Morgan 22:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I wrote this page to assist in the "importance" aspect of my hometown Colcord, OK. I believe NLR is important to the community of Colcord, and thus the reason for writing about it. Though, at this point, I admit it is lacking the detail I had hoped for originally. I was hoping that by starting the page, others might help to improve on it with their knowledge of the camp.
I find other articles of similar subjects such as Teen Mania Ministries and CIY.
--Tim Morgan 16:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I object to the deletion of this article, but since no one else cares, then why not. Seems I'm the only one who wants this article to stay and be improved. --Tim Morgan 16:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, this article was just recently recategorized in Christian Organization stubs, so I wonder if someone will come along and contribute. --Tim Morgan 16:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Thirdly, there are other articles describing Christian camps; why are they not up for deletion? --Tim Morgan 16:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC) --Tim Morgan 17:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I added a link on List of Summer Camps; perhaps this will show its importance *relative* to other articles of similar topic. --Tim Morgan 17:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The fact that its a Christian camp isn't the issue. Its just whether it can be considered notable. Leaving it in the list of summer camps might be a better option. --Hooperbloob 18:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed the stub tag, but forgot to note it in the 01:26, 20 July 2006 68.216.187.22 edit. The article now has information beyond what could be found through a casual internet search, or through NLR's own web site. I do believe that "Christian Organization" is a proper categorization, as NLR's programs include camp, but there are some components that do not (such as community ministries, and parts of Outdoor Ministries) --(ben, unregistered user July 19, 2006)
[edit] Importance and Thanks
While being on staff at NLR does slant my opinion, I do believe that there is importance in NLR. In terms of impact we serve well over 15000 people a year from many states and have been around for nearly 50 years. New Life Ranch is commonly found in local histories. I for one appreciate Tim starting this article, and I hope that others will contribute to it, and I will endeavor to personally add to the article as I am able.
I went ahead and removed the lack-of-importance banner, as I believe this article now sufficiently makes the case for its place in the Wikipedia. Thanks goes to Ben who has done a lot of work to improve this article. --Tim Morgan 20:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
I fear a bit for some of the wording in the History section, especially "God was laying the foundation of a desire in Reverend Heck’s heart" and similar wording, as such is unverifiable. While I understand and agree with the wording, I feel it doesn't quite meet the requirements of Wikipedia. Perhaps we can reword this sentence to say "Reverend Heck had the desire" or similar? --Tim Morgan 20:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ben
I understand your concern…the wording is more appropriate the for the staff manual it came from then for wikipedia (with my apologies. I am not very experienced at this…). I think that it is important thought to acknowledge that in Reverend Heck’s view it did come from God. No matter a reader’s own personal views on the influence of God, Mr. Heck’s view of the influence of God has had and still has a profound impact on shaping NLR. So…how about something like:
Reverend Heck had a desire, which he felt came from God, to start his own youth camp. with an accompanying edit of the source to show that it varies from the original.
In other thoughts, I wish some other people would take up this article, particularly people who know the history of NLR on a personal level from being around 10, 20, and 30 years ago. I know your out there… Ben. Oct. 3, 2006
