Talk:New Force

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Forza Nuova is an extreme right wing Italian party led by Roberto Fiore.

Roberto Fiore is controversial as he has terrorist convictions. He was closely linked to the British National Front in the 1980s. It is seen as third positionist and ultra-Catholic.

"Roberto Fiore is controversial as he has terrorist convictions". Would someone KINDLY present any evidence to this allegations?!

This sentence: Freemason lodges have historically been perceived as an enemy of fascism because they are not easily controlled, even though lodges such as Propaganda Due did serve right-wing purposes. The point about usury is a not-so-well-hidden cue to antisemitism (the stereotype of the Jewish loan shark). ; reeks of POV and seems to have no factual basis.

"Freemason lodges have historically been perceived as an enemy of fascism because they are not easily controlled" - are there any sources to verify this? My knowledge of Southern-European fascist momvements suggests that their opposition towards freemasonry stems from their traditionalist catholic ideals and not from their fear of control. This is further validated by the host of other traditionalist catholic views held by the Forza Nuova.

"even though lodges such as Propaganda Due did serve right-wing purposes" - this section does not add anything to the article and is a typical ploy used by certain political groups to lump all fascists, nationalists, conservatives, free-market liberals etc. as 'right-wingers'.

"The point about usury is a not-so-well-hidden cue to antisemitism (the stereotype of the Jewish loan shark)." - why is this a not-so-well hidden cue to antisemitism? Usury has always been considered one of the cardinal offences for traditionalist catholics and this is a more likely root of this claim. --Chelman 09:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Given the origins of Fiore (NF secretary) as an evolian third positionist that only later converted to traditional Catholicism, I personally think the article interpretation makes more sense. However, you can add this possibility to the article, IMHO. --Cyclopia 20:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • The logo of FN is wrong, in fact it is out of date, but I cannot change it. Please check the offficial FN website to paste the new logo!!
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