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[edit] Fat duke

Is the fact that the Duke is fat particularly relevant to this story? Why is that noteworthy? PaulHammond 23:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The only reason it's there, really, is that it's one of the bits of information leaked about the episode; so I suspect it may become relevant in the story itself. If it turns out it isn't, out it goes. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
The Slitheen were only able to make "body-suits" out of fat people, thus, this piece of information hints at their return. However, there has been no indication that they are at all involved in this episode. CNash 22:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
He's actually an evil record producer, intent on taking over the universe through the power of his Evil Boy Band. Angmering 22:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Its not really to do with anything, although I do like the sliteen idea, its not likely--Wiggstar69 17:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moxx of Balhoon

OG where? A news page? Or just random speculation in a forum? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. Sorted - it was mentioned in Celestial Toyroom and reported in the Spoiler Section. You really need to cite those sources where they are actually stated, rather than say "it is rumoured". Remember, verifiability is key. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Human experiments?

It's fairly established that the episode takes place after TEOTW (Talk:Lady Cassandra), so what humans are being experimented upon? Cassandra may be one, but who else?--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 13:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The "impure" ones obviously. She was the self-proclaimed last human, and was probably no such thing. --TimPope 18:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the impure ones included such creatures as Jabe and the Moxx of Balhoon, and quite posibly even the cat-women. You wouldn't describe them as remotely human.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 18:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Jabe was a tree, not a human, and Moxx's species was never revealed. --TimPope 18:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Jabe was fairly obviously bred genetically between humans and trees, I assumed that's what you meant when you said "impure".--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 19:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

No... impure is a reference to how Cassandra spoke of the humans who left the Earth. --TimPope 19:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

No... impure is a reference to the humans that "mingled", ie created species like Jabe.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 20:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

No... It was said that the Jabe evolved from/in the Amazon, independent of Humans. JQF 21:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Yep. Her exact line is "So many species evolved from that place, mankind is just one. I'm another. My ancestors were transplanted from the planet down below, I'm a direct descendant of the tropical rainforest." Although I suppose it's possible to interpret that as a mixture of human and vegetable genetics, but it doesn't seem the most likely explanation. Furthermore, a section of Doctor Who: Monsters and Villains written by Russell T. Davies says that the Forest of Cheem was the result of experiments by the Brothers of Hame, who bought a section of the Earth called the Equatorial Patch, isolated it on an asteroid, where it was "cultivated, fostered, nurtured, and its evolution accelerated;" "The evolutionary journey of a billion years was thus compressed into a mere three hundred," continues the piece. This suggests that the Forest's development was forced over time, rather than cross-bred with humans.
That said, it's entirely possible that some of the other visitors and staff of Platform One had part-human ancestry. I agree that if the cat-people are experimenting on humans, they're likely to be the ones Cassandra says call themselves "New Humans and Protohumans and Digihumans, even Humanish", but she calls "mongrels". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Doc and Rose, sittin' in a tree...

Nathan Baron of the Doctor Who Yahoo! group has sent out an email with a link to a News of the World article with some spoilery images. (See here for a scan.) Nathan says the images are from New Earth, but I'm not sure what his source is. Should we add a mention of this to the notes, or wait for something more solid? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Borderline, really. The text accompanying the pictures seems to indicate that it is from New Earth (first episode), but I'm loath to include it until I know which tabloid it comes from, and which date. It'll show up on the OG forums soon enough and then we'll know. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Nothing new there which we didn't see in the series trailer after TCI. Evidence for it being in NE would be that Rose's outfit matches the DVD cover [1]. Radagast 20:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

More details on the same spoilery subject from the Sun here — it seems the News of the World info was about New Earth, but there's more to it than we might have thought. Worth including with a spoiler notice, or shall we wait till the 15th? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TARDISODE?

Would a short paragraph summarizing the TARDISODE be out of place? It ties directly into the story and hints at the plot... Radagast 03:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Not out of place, but pointless, IMO. There's already a TARDISODES page set up. UK-Logician-2006 23:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Day of the Dead

The scenes with the infected roaming about the hospital were practically scene for scene copies of sequences from George Romero's Day of the Dead (and to a lesser extent Dawn of the Dead, and were obviously an intentional homage - I think this needs to be acknowledged. quercus robur 19:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that it's quite so clear cut. It's hard to do zombies without it appearing an homage to Romero, but that doesn't make it intentional. —Whouk (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I dunno, they seemed too close to be coincidental... I'm wondering if the commentarty will mention it... quercus robur 20:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nuns Nurses and Cats

What was the saying. Rich Farmbrough 20:36 15 April 2006 (UTC).

I think it was "Never trust a nun, never trust a nurse, never trust a cat." Not convinced it's a real phrase... —Whouk (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chip

Did Cassandra say that Chip was modelled after <some ambassador>, who was the last person to call her beautiful; an entity later revealed to be Cassandra in Chip's body? If so, we could list this as a predestination paradox... *checks that article* oh, wait, it's already there. Should be here too though...Whitepaw 21:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It was here and I removed it, but I missed that line. I'll put it back. —Whouk (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed it because it's original research. If you disagree, provide a citation. I'll tag it with {{fact}} for now. -- MisterHand 16:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
She said that he was modelled on her favorite pattern. And we know that this was because Chip had visited her in the past, because RTD said so in the commentary. -- DudeGalea 16:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah, now, if she just said favourite pattern in the episode (rather than "the last person to call her beautiful"), then it needs to be made explicit in the note that the source is RTD's comment in the commentary and note the dialogue in the episode. —Whouk (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Didn't she say both: "Modelled after my favourite pattern" and "That party was the last time anybody called me beautiful" (It was all downhill after that)? I think it was unclear that someone who looked like Chip was in fact the last person to call Cassandra beautiful until the end of the episode. PaulHammond 00:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
That would be appropriate, I think. But the leap to "predestination paradox" is still OR. --MisterHand 20:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I recall a previous discussion at Talk:The Parting of the Ways. —Whouk (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

How far into the commentary was this?--Keycard (talk) 07:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It's the end bit, where the scene with Chip and the younger Cassandra is happening. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the "more than one person" - and Lady C might have been referred to as beautiful in the reports of the event. Something to keep the fanfic writers amused. Jackiespeel 21:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New new new new, new new new new, new new new new

Was it just me, or was the Doctor doing the "da da da dum" rhythm of the theme music when he's saying the "correct" name of New New York? --Billpg 21:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

That's a nice observation, and it's actually accurate through the first five "new"s (dum, da da da dum), but it doesn't continue throughout. It may just have been a coincidence. Jwadeg 05:56, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone mind if I added a mention of New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New York into the article? It's such a great gag, I was disappointed not to see it here. Adambrowne666 10:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes?

I added a quote - the Doctor's "I'm being very, very calm" line. I recognise why the original quotes were removed, as they seemed to be unencyclopaedic - but surely that one is encyclopaedic, as it enhances a personality trait of the Tenth Doctor? What does everyone else think? UK-Logician-2006 21:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Quotes should be placed on wikiquote, there is a q:Doctor Who page there which might be suitable for that quote. Tim! 08:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Also, I think it would be sensible to mention a quote on, say, the Tenth Doctor article as a piece of evidence to justify a statement about his character, but not a quote on its own. —Whouk (talk) 12:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cats have nine lives

Not only are we unsure as to whether Sister Jatt is actually dead after her time in the lift shaft, but as someone on Outpost Gallifrey has just pointed out... cats have nine lives. Worth mentioning?--Keycard (talk) 08:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Not really. It's nice to think so, but there's no basis for it unless someone in the episode actually said cats have nine lives. Laws of physics tend to trump laws of literary metaphor, funnily enough... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know and agree. It is physically impossible to have multiple lives (*cough*regeneration*timelord*cough*). Thanks :-)--Keycard (talk) 08:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Again nice idea, although it looks like the cat-people are going to be in the 3rd series i don't think that these particular 'nun-cat-nurses' are going to ever appear again --Wiggstar69 18:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Novice Hame or Harne?

I'm pretty sure that it's Hame; that's what it looks like to me in the credits, and that's what the Matron calls her when she introduces the Novice to the Doctor (about 8 minutes into the episode). I don't have access to the Radio Times, but Shaun Lyon is pretty reliable about these things, and the Outpost Gallifrey episode guide has "Hame" as well. Are you sure you're not just misreading the "m" as a ligature between "r" and "n"? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

No, if you do a google search for "novice harne" you get the radio times website. However, I admit that it's pronounced Hame (I just imagained that it was one of those names pronounced differently to how they're spelt). I'll have another look at my episode in a while when I get home.--Keycard (talk) 08:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I think that it's slightly more likely that the Radio Times misread "Hame" as "Harne" than that Russell would create a minor character whose name was pronounced completely differently than it's spelled. I mean, he's railed against alien names with apostrophes and the like before — if he wanted the character to be called "Harne" (or even "Harn") wouldn't he have spelled it that way? (Or, looking at it the other way round, if he had wanted the name pronounced "Hame" why would he have spelled it "Harne"?) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've just looked at my DVD, and it's too blurry to make it out (I recorded it low quality as I'll buy the BBC World ones when they're out). A Google search for "Novice Harne" produces five results, as does the search for "Novice Hame" (excluding the second result from Outpost Gallifrey), so no help there! I do see your point about RTD's naming conventions.--Keycard (talk) 08:27, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The RT says Harne, but the credits definitely say Hame. —Whouk (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
The subtitles for the episode used Hame. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 19:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this discussion really taking place? I don't remember how it was pronounced, but surely if it is agreed that it was pronounced in the programme as 'Hame' AND the programme named him as such, surely that is right? I'm sure the editors of RT will be flattered by the authority you guys grant their every whim and mispelling. Damiancorrigan 00:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think most of us are on the same page here — it's now clear that the RT made a mistake. There's no need to rub it in. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Battles in time cards say Hame--Wiggstar69 18:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New humans

I missed this in any comments. This new 'race' of humans the doctor helped to set free, they are virtually indestructable as it commes to any illness. Think of it. They only had to touch a normal mortal and he/she would intantly die. They had 'some discomfort' but did not die of all those illnesses. They just kept on going.

The other amazing thing was they are fully developed, speaking, acting beings without ever having been to school or having had any interaction. They come fully 'loaded' into the world.

Maybe a bit soon to say they are but they promise to be the new masterrace.

[-Is it possible they become the Cybermen? -TJ]

[edit] Other buildings

The building behind the hospital [2] looks remakably similar to the Burj al-Arab Hotel [3]. - Keith D. Tyler (AMA) 01:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Sunshine Camp

I've removed the line about "The Sunshine Camp" being a "possible working title" for this story. It's true that a hidden tag on the BBC website at one point indicated that the first story of Series 2 would be called "The Sunshine Camp", but that's really pretty tenuous evidence. There were two citations given, and only one of them even mentions the title "The Sunshine Camp" now, and that's the page of the Doctor Who Club of Australia. It's been long enough now that if this were a working title, it would have shown up in more reliable reportage (such as Andrew Pixley's Series Two thingy). If anyone has a more solid citation, feel free to re-add the note. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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