Talk:New Avengers (comic book)
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[edit] Reinstated
Added the page back. West Coast, Great Lakes, etc. Avengers have their own page. It's nonsense not to give this team its own page as well. Not to mention the merge vote only won by 1 vote, and only lasted 6 days. That, and the merging was back in September, apparently. The team may be just the Avengers after Civil War, and may remain together, or it may be disassembled as well, leading to a new (in volume number, not adjective) Avengers book.--Kozmik Pariah 10 June 2006
[edit] New Avengers (comics)?
Shouldn't this be at New Avengers (comics), as per the norm? rst20xx 16:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Raft Breakout
There should be a list of villans confirmed to have escaped and their status since somewhere. --Madhackrviper 00:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
- Are you kidding? This would be increadibly important information. Just saying "some villans escaped" seems all the incomplete to me. --Madhackrviper 00:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- Important to whom? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- You people are nuts! To me it seems like perfectly relevant information that would logically be given. If we can have pages about every insignificant hamlet in Winsconson and every unimportant United States Naval Vessel in history then we can have a list of villans escaped from the raft which, to comic book fans at least, is actually important information. So, either we make a list on this page or somewhere else or we make a catagory for it. I myself do not know this information (which is partly why I request it be added) so I can not do it myself so I politly requested that someone esle who does knwo this or has teh resources to find it out does so. What is so difficult to understand? --Madhackrviper 17:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- What is difficult to understand is how you can equate a crufty list of villains from a comic book story to places people live and ships upon which men and women in the armed forces serve to protect their country. Knowing whether the Purple Man got out of prison or not has an importance lifespan that will be up in maybe another year at best. With both "House of M" and "Civil War" having dominated the storylines of the past few years, the raft breakout storyline's impact is over. I suggest searching google for a site that has such a list, but it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well if it's a place like New York City or a ship like the USS Cole or USS Arizona then sure it's more important then a comic book. Even places like Worcester, MA or even smaller cities like Haverhill are important, but Hicksville, Nowhere? The USS Historically insignificant? Who cares! Noone! And who cares about a list of villans who escaped from the raft! Every sane comics fan would probably be interested, even if only moderatly. And "House of M" I belive was before the Raft breakout (I could be very wrong on that). "Civil War" was caused by it! Thus the importance of it will resonate forever, the fact that Nitro, Coldheart, Colbalt Man, ect. excaped from prison has caused one of the most significant stoylines in Marvel history. We don't even mention the important villans who escaped let alone the unimportant ones. I'm tired of your "doesn't belong on the Wikipedia", your probably not suprised to find out I'm an inclusionist! To me it's why NOT have this simple list (which really, why do you care if someone adds it, does it personnaly harm you if someone adds a list of villans escaped from the raft? No, while it does personnaly harm someone who wants this peice of information!). I really do not understand your argument at all, I am quite confounded by your logic. By the way, I happen to be from an insignificant hamlet, so don't try to call me on that! --Madhackrviper 21:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- As long as your arguments include statements using the words "every" and "forever", I will not be able to seriously discuss this with you. I never said it would personally harm me; that's absurd. Will it personally harm you to have to google the information instead of look it up in an encyclopedia? As for your comments about the event's significance: "House of M" came after the Raft breakout, and the idea that Nitro had broken out of the Raft is a very minor detail in the context of "Civil War". Even if perhaps you were able to successfully argue that the breakout was a significant detail, it is definitely not significant enough to warrant a list of 40 or so minor supervillains. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Your right about the use of "ever" and "forever", they are superlatives innoproriate for this notext, you got me there. I suppose it wouldn't personnaly harm me but the Wikipedia should be a repository of knowledge. While I suppose that Nitro's breaking out of The Raft is a minor detail in itself, the fact that he did so allowed him to cause the event that caused the Civil War. Whether you like it or not Nitro did cause the Civil War in a similar way to how Gavrilo Princip started World War I. However, you are right that in fact on this page a list would be innapropriate, and I conceed the argument, especially since it now exists elsewhere.
- As long as your arguments include statements using the words "every" and "forever", I will not be able to seriously discuss this with you. I never said it would personally harm me; that's absurd. Will it personally harm you to have to google the information instead of look it up in an encyclopedia? As for your comments about the event's significance: "House of M" came after the Raft breakout, and the idea that Nitro had broken out of the Raft is a very minor detail in the context of "Civil War". Even if perhaps you were able to successfully argue that the breakout was a significant detail, it is definitely not significant enough to warrant a list of 40 or so minor supervillains. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well if it's a place like New York City or a ship like the USS Cole or USS Arizona then sure it's more important then a comic book. Even places like Worcester, MA or even smaller cities like Haverhill are important, but Hicksville, Nowhere? The USS Historically insignificant? Who cares! Noone! And who cares about a list of villans who escaped from the raft! Every sane comics fan would probably be interested, even if only moderatly. And "House of M" I belive was before the Raft breakout (I could be very wrong on that). "Civil War" was caused by it! Thus the importance of it will resonate forever, the fact that Nitro, Coldheart, Colbalt Man, ect. excaped from prison has caused one of the most significant stoylines in Marvel history. We don't even mention the important villans who escaped let alone the unimportant ones. I'm tired of your "doesn't belong on the Wikipedia", your probably not suprised to find out I'm an inclusionist! To me it's why NOT have this simple list (which really, why do you care if someone adds it, does it personnaly harm you if someone adds a list of villans escaped from the raft? No, while it does personnaly harm someone who wants this peice of information!). I really do not understand your argument at all, I am quite confounded by your logic. By the way, I happen to be from an insignificant hamlet, so don't try to call me on that! --Madhackrviper 21:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- What is difficult to understand is how you can equate a crufty list of villains from a comic book story to places people live and ships upon which men and women in the armed forces serve to protect their country. Knowing whether the Purple Man got out of prison or not has an importance lifespan that will be up in maybe another year at best. With both "House of M" and "Civil War" having dominated the storylines of the past few years, the raft breakout storyline's impact is over. I suggest searching google for a site that has such a list, but it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- You people are nuts! To me it seems like perfectly relevant information that would logically be given. If we can have pages about every insignificant hamlet in Winsconson and every unimportant United States Naval Vessel in history then we can have a list of villans escaped from the raft which, to comic book fans at least, is actually important information. So, either we make a list on this page or somewhere else or we make a catagory for it. I myself do not know this information (which is partly why I request it be added) so I can not do it myself so I politly requested that someone esle who does knwo this or has teh resources to find it out does so. What is so difficult to understand? --Madhackrviper 17:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Important to whom? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- Are you kidding? This would be increadibly important information. Just saying "some villans escaped" seems all the incomplete to me. --Madhackrviper 00:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- For better or worse, there is currently a list of Raft escapees, at The Raft (comics). TheronJ 14:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Nice. GOos work, man. See, that's ar least a much more logical place for it. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- I never said it should be here! I actually did say "somewhere" in my original post. I agree, that is a much better place for it, I had tried to find that page once before and didn't see it there. Many apologies
- Nice. GOos work, man. See, that's ar least a much more logical place for it. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New New Avengers?
Should there be like something to show what's going to happen? The New Marvel Previews said that there will be a new team. Maybe like a list of 'yesses' and 'nos'? IronMan54 18:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I hardly think that Image at the bottom should be taken seriously - it include most of the Mighty Avengers, and it doesn't cite its sources - so I'm removing it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.108.52 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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- It includes some of the Mighty Avengers because the books are contrasting views. They intertwine somewhat. The images were revealed through Wizard Universe. The links to the pages including both images can be found here: http://wizarduniverse.stores.yahoo.net/mightyavng1bc98.html & http://wizarduniverse.stores.yahoo.net/newaveng27cc98.html
- The Humanoid Typhoon 14:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
- Although the picture links certainly allow one to speculate, the text of the Wizard article falls short of announcing the team's new lineup. I think we should hold off on adding this to the Wikipedia article until we get a more definitive source. --GentlemanGhost 12:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The covers are of both Mighty Avengers and New Avengers. You don't need text. The image is right there. The Humanoid Typhoon 17:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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- We can't rely on images as they may have been put out there to fool us or lead us in the wrong direction.SaliereTheFish 22:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Exactly. Also, being featured on the cover a comic book title does not necessarily equal team membership. The Black Panther has been on the cover of the Fantastic Four without being a member. Spider-Man was on the cover of the Avengers long before he ever joined the group. This is why having a written confirmation is important. --GentlemanGhost 23:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Tons of people get on covers, but those two are clearly an introduction of the two teams. The list so far is adding up perfectly with the eight members I noted earlier. The Humanoid Typhoon 14:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mistake
Tony Stark was not named Maria Hill's replacement. She noted he should have been picked. The Humanoid Typhoon 14:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Co-Leaders
Spider Man and Cage are Co-Leaders? Where was this info found. I only read that cage was leader.Phoenix741 20:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think someone just put that in out of confusion or Fanboy Hype. I'm editing it out until we have a Citation...SaliereTheFish 09:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
