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[edit] recent changes

Nicholas—I've tinkered with the positioning of the royalty in the 1920s photo. Not sure whether it's better, but I though there were too many photos down the left side before.

I think we urgently need some pics of (1) historic buildings in Kathmandu, and (2) the landscape. There are currently no outdoor pics at all. Any ideas? Tony 02:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I've just sent the following email to a trekker who has lots of outdoor pics of Nepal on his website:

http://www.vic.com/nepal

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Hi Scott

Great pics of Nepal on your site. I'm currently part of a voluntary team that is rewriting the Wikipedia article on Nepal. Wikipedia is entirely non-commercial, and is funded by donations. We hope to nominate it for Featured Article status soon, but this will require the inclusion of several images of Nepal's streetscapes and landscape. The article is at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal

I wonder whether you're interested in releasing just a few of your images into the public domain for this purpose. On the info page for each image you'd be fully acknowledged, and there would be a link to your website address.

It would be valuable promotion in return for your generosity; the site will receive millions of hits over the next few years. Please let me know if you're interested.

Tony

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Tony 03:03, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Status of Civil War

It's been a while since the Government of Nepal and the Maoists signed permanent ceasefire. But the article still says the "ongoing Nepalese Civil War". Also, the page Nepalese Civil War uses past tense now. Shouldn't this be reflected in the main article about Nepal? Asubedi 16:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Review

hi i am saroj khanl from nepal i have sent a long email to nichalp regarding some missing information.hope that will be considered.some pictures of natural landscape and ethnic populations is missing gravely.

I have pointed out some errors,please go through them for a revision: 1.the GDP and per capita income are extremely high ;per capita is hardly $300 2.the history of nepal is almost a lacklustre block:

      the ancient history of gopalas,mahispalas are missing.
      lichhavy dynasty is ill presented-the golden era of nepalese history.
      unification of nepal was a perilious task yet was presented simply.
      the anglo nepal war and sugauli treaty are lacking some vital

information (I had made 2 pages about these topics and is available in wikipedia).not even PM bhimsen thapa is mentioned.

       nepalese Ranas helped british whole heartedly also in the 2nd

world war.

3.economy:

      agriculture makes 60% of GDP,contrinbution of services is not 40%
      remittances yield more than $1 billion (estimate).

4.culture:

       several things lack seriously for example the religious harmony

among the people,specially between hindus and buuddhists as much as they share common temples and worship common dieties.

       culture is diverse as is ethnic tribes,the northern cultures

influenced by tibetan and the southern by indian .

        nepalese marriage is of arranged pattern,         banned by law

and polyandry is prevalent in some tribes (eg Dolpo).divorce rate is extremely low.

        special rituals of nwaran,pasni and bratabandha to neonate,5

month infant and preadolescent boys is performed,gupha for prepubertal girls.

        bel bibaha is a marriage ceremony between a prepubertal girl and

a tree(bel) to earn sacredness.

5.holidays:

      dashai 15 days (mid autumn) and tihar 5 days (late autumn)
       there is no independence day but Martyr's day in feb 18.
      teej (lady's ) festval is an attractive holiday in late summer.

Thanks for the review Saroj. We'll try and cover all what you've said. User:Nichalp/sg 15:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Nicholas: five climatic zones are missing what lies between 2,400 and 3,600 m. Just something to check in the final run through. Tony 07:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks User:Nichalp/sg 09:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Someone please put in a picture of the royal palace.......Narayanhiti Palace

Its a very important part of Nepal..........as obvious!

[edit] tibetans in nepal

i've heard a lot about tibetan refugees in nepal. this has led me to want to learn more about china's occupation of tibet.

There are Bhutani refugees (more than 100,000) living in Nepal for more than last 15 years. This is much more serious issue for Nepal than the Tibetan refugees. Very few westerns are aware of this issue. For more information, please have a look at this: http://www.chhahari.com/bhutan/menu.html

aside from that, of all the countries in asia, nepal is one of the one's i know the least about. i know even less about the maldives, though. Gringo300 11:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Is it still a constitutional monarchy? Didn't the king overthrow the consitutional monarchy in order to implement absolute monarchy in his coup?


Answer: I believe they are currently in the process of re-writing the constitution. Nepal is still a constitutional monarhy.

[edit] gupha

GUPHA is for girls only, not boys. Boys have BRATABANDHA. GUPHA means 'cave'. The prepubescent girl is placed in a room away from sunlight for 12 days. She is prepared for a 'marriage' with the SUN-god...

-Gyami

[edit] Kot Massacre

"In 1846, a discovered p overthrow Jang Bahadur, a fast-rising military leader, by the reigning queen, led to the Kot Massacre."

  • The Kot Massacre page does not mention that the plot was against Bahadur. On the whole, this sentence is confusing, but I do not know the history well enough to fix it. Pgan002 04:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


"Armed clashes between military personnel and administrators loyal to the queen led to the execution of several hundred princes and chieftains around the country. Bahadur emerged victorious and founded the Rana lineage."

  • The massacre killings were not executions. As I understand, these sentences are misleading and need to be reordered. Many nobles were killed during the massacre at the court; the Ranas won; then they began executing loyalists and nobles around the country. Pgan002

>>I always thought the plot that resulted in the Kot Massacre was that the Queen at the time did not want her husband King Rajendra's first wife's oldest son Surendra to be the King but instead wanted her own son on the throne. Jang Bahadur was part of the faction that wanted the rightful son to be the King which resulted in the Massacre where a lot of the military and palace personnel who supported the Queen were executed.<< This is what i remember from studying Nepalese History 10 years ago though, so am not entirely sure.

[edit] Panchayat system

"After years of power wrangling between the king and the government, the democratic experiment was dissolved in 1959, that a "partyless" panchayat system was made to govern Nepal until 1989, when the "Jan Andolan" (People's) Movement forced the monarchy to accept constitutional reforms and to establish a multiparty parliament in May 1991."

  • The meaning of the sentence is lots due to poor grammar. It is also too long. Pgan002 04:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Also, the panchayat system may be viewed as a democratic system, given the Panchayat page and the Democracy page. Pgan002
  • Who was responsible for the setting up of the panchayat system, or how did it happen? Pgan002
Who wrote this rubbish?
1)There were democratic ELECTIONS in 1959!
2) Parliament was DISSOLVED THROUGH A COUP D'ETAT BY KING MAHENDRA on the 15th of december 1960!
3)The Panchayat system lasted from 1962 to the spring of 1990!
4) The Jana Andolan (1990) was from february to april 1990!
All this information is easily available, so WHY ERR ON SUCH BASIC THINGS AS DATES?
Togrim, user of the Norwegian wikipedia, 2006-06-05

[edit] Maoist insurgency

"The unilateral ceasefire ended on January 2006 and despite continued human rights violations throughout the one sided ceasefire, the Maoists have continued their killings, rape and torture of ordinary Nepali citizens. The sacked goverment was not elected and no government had been elected by the people since 2002."

  • The first sentence does not make sense: it counterposes the ceasefire human rights violations with the Maoists' human rights violations. Pgan002 04:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The first sentence is also ambiguous.
    • Does "one-sided" imply that the government did not stop fighting? If so, it needs to be made more explicit. If not, it is superfluous. Pgan002
    • Who committed the human rights violations during the ceasefire? Pgan002 04:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • These two sentences do not connect; the second probably belongs in the preceding paragraph, but I do not know the history enough. Pgan002
  • this is Shashank Shrestha, a citizenof nepal adding some of his views on the topic
  • cerifications regarding the topic of the 3-month ceasefire.
    • First of all, the ceasefire came directly after an agreement of the maoist rebels with the seven politcal parties of Nepal, in response to the ceasefire, the government opted rather to taunt the maoists (as the minister Tulasi Giri said "We have broken the backs of the Maoists"). **Secondly, human-rights violation during this period was reduced to some level, the most grivieous voilation being the masacre of more than 22 bystanders by a drunk military officer during a festival
    • In addition, the article seems to be highly objective and quiet vitriolic towards both the government and the maoists, which gives the article a more judgemental motif.
  • in addition, the government was planning to organise elections on the municipal areas of the country however, this has met with an outright denouncement of the seven chief political parties of Nepal. In addition, out of roughly 4500 possible candidates, there has only been a participation of around 2000 potentail candidates with many withdrawing their candidancy resulting in a clear win for most candidate as they are the ONLY candidate from their municipality.


Please document this:
despite continued human rights violations throughout the one sided ceasefire, the Maoists have continued their killings, rape and torture of ordinary Nepali citizens.
Amnesty in the main lays human rights violations on the govt forces. I do not know about any widespread claims of RAPE against the maoists at all?
Togrim, user of the norwegian wikipedia 2006-06-05

[edit] Poor choice of words

The following seem more inflammatory than documentary:

In 2005, after King Gyanendra took over and destroyed the country putting in a disasterous situation, Nepalese relations with India, the US, and the UK have worsened. These three foreign countries have been vociferous opponents to the crackdown on civil liberties in Nepal.

The US is most positively not a 'vociferous opponent to the crackdown on civil liberties in Nepal' (we are busy cracking down on our own civil liberties) it is almost never even reported, and when it is it is usually in favor of the King. It is not even questionable that the King is at fault for the poor situation is Nepal, but 'destroyed the country'? I would request someone that knows this article better than I to update at least those sentances. 12.20.127.229 19:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that This article is unfair to the King as well.

[edit] Strikes, killing, municipal elections, maoists' accepting even monarchy

A lot is going on right now. Just see the news story by ABC at http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1589541 and interview with the Maoist leader Prachanda at http://www.kantipuronline.com/interview.php?nid=64876 -- Let's wait for tomorrow and add something to the article then.

[edit] How about adding something about Tourism in Nepal?

Well, they say that the new Nepal has to have its foundations built on the eddifices of smokeless industries like tourism. It would have been a nice touch to the main article if tourism as a sub article can be taken. 202.79.62.12 07:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inner-Terai

Nepal's inner-terai valleys including Dang-Deukhuri and Chitwan deserve mention. These large valleys, mostly situated between the Siwalak and Mahabharat ranges are a significant part of the country's physical geography and have culturally-significant inhabitants, especially Tharus.

The inner-terai also has great economic importance. In addition to the exploitation of timber by Indian loggers, they have become agriculturally important, first through absentee landlords during the Rana period. Then when endemic malaria was controlled during the 1960s they became the focus of immigration by land-hungry families from the middle hills.

Im a poo.

[edit] Trafficking in persons/advocacy

Of course I agree that trafficking in persons is a terrible thing. But a long piece about it was added to the top (almost) of this article in this edit, and I don't think it belongs there. I removed it entirely. It might be reasonable to shorten it and put it later in the article, or to spin it off into its own article. In either case, it needs to be written in a more encyclopedic (neutral, non-emotional, non-advocacy) style. FreplySpang (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of the quality of this edit, the person who did it has a long history of vandalism. THB 22:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ram Bomjan

I created the Ram Bomjan, the Buddha boy article. Could someone take a look and possibly expand? - Ganeshk (talk) 23:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign Relations cutting

  • I took out this mass of unformatted text below from the Foreign Relations section (which is supposed to be a summary not a detailed entry). Some of this text seems useful and may belong in the main Foreign Relations of Nepal article. But this text appears to be a cut-and-paste job from an external source, and so would need rewriting and cutting down. Also, there is a noticeable pro-China bias in the text (is this from a People's Republic of China news publication or magazine?). I'll take another look at this text later to see what can be salvaged for the main foreign relations article. Bwithh 18:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Text cutting: "Whereas Nepal's Budha-inspired spiritual, trade and cultural ties with Tibet-China goes back to more than two thousand years, its trade, military and political engagements with states of Magadh, Patali Putra, with East India Company or the British Empire in South Asia and the Republic of India or Hindustan after 1947 bear an eloquent testimony of ancient glory. In accordance with the Indian interpretation of a treaty signed in 1950 between Nepal and post-1947 Hindustan, Indian and Nepalese citizens can travel to each others' countries without a passport or visa (The current situation is that the people travelling across the border need some form of identification). Nepalese citizens may work in India without legal restriction. Although Nepal and India typically have close ties, from time to time Nepal becomes caught up in the problematic Sino-Indian relationship. India considers Nepal as part of its realm of influence, and views Chinese aid with concern. Some Indians consider Nepal to be part of a greater pan-Indian state, an attitude that has caused Nepalese antagonism towards India. In 2005, after King Gyanendra took over, Nepalese relations with India, the US, and the UK have worsened. These three foreign countries have been vociferous opponents to the crackdown on civil liberties in Nepal. China mainly seeks cooperation with Nepal on the issues of Tibet, Taiwan and peace and stability on its western frontiers. Nepal takes pride in the historic people-to-people cultural, spiritual and high land trade relations with Tibet,China. In seventh century, a Nepali princess was married to a Tibetan king. This Nepali princess carried with her image of Buddha and several Buddhist scriptures. In seventeenth century and before plundering of Nepal at the hand of British Empire that started from 1815, the Nepali people, after Nepal, had largest trading and cultural population in Tibet. People-to-people relations between Nepal and China has again started to build up by the turn of the 21st century. People's organizations like the pioneer one China Study Center,Nepal, Arnoko Society, Nepal-China Executive Council, World Cultural Net, Nepal Council of World Affairs, Nepal-China Society, Nepal-China Friendship Association and Federation of Nepalese Chambers of Commerce and Industry have been engaged with the promotion of ties at the multiple people-to-people levels-from policy down to specific trade commodity interactions (for reference Fifty Fruitful Years, Comercial Express of Embassies and Overseas Agencies,China@embassy.org.cn,2005,ISSN1605-7686, Nepal-China Relations Towards New Integration (a bilingual publication in English and Chinese languages), Upendra Gautam Ed., China Study Center,China Association for International Friendly Contact, China, 2005, and Changing Face of Tibet (In Nepali language), Chin Adhyayan Kendra, Nepal, 2006, ISBN99933-846-4-x."

[edit] External Linking

An external link was recently removed by Mcferran from the Nepal article. The edit comment stated that it was a blog. The link actually points to a wiki dedicated to information about Nepal, similar in spirit to some of the wikia and wikicities wikis. The formatting of the site may be similar to a blog. I am aware of the external linking policies on wikipedia and wanted to find out the reasoning for the comment. Not trolling, just trying to understand. Thanks. lex lapax 17:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

External links needs updated. I have removed some personal websites and added some useful ones. Aaniyo 11:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protests

I have two questions about the parts of the Politics section covering the current protests:

  1. What is a "dharna"?
  2. Who are "the Maoists"? In my recent revision, I assumed they were not one of the seven political parties that I've been hearing about on the news. There should be some background information on this earlier in the Politics section.

-- Beland 21:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

In responce to your questions,
  1. A dharna is a protest in which people refuse to eat ( A hunger strike).
  2. The Maoists are a rebel group in Nepal who are trying to overthrow the king and establish a communist government. I hope these answers helpled you out! Socom49 00:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
In fact the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) has for at least 3 years had the official goal of creating a COALITION govt. And even before that, it has NEVER been their aim to form a "communist government". Togrim, user of the norwegian wikipedia 2006-06-17

Would it be accurate to say that Nepalis in general now think that the King is a fink? 204.52.215.107 17:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

No it would not be accurate. That's a generalization that doesn't belong in wikipedia. lex lapax 20:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


A 'dharna' is NOT a hunger strike. It is a type of protest in which protestors perform gathering or similar sit-in protest( no rallies).

[edit] Recent Political Changes

Recent political changes needs more detialed coverage. The second "Jana Aandolan" or people's revolution should have completely new page. Aaniyo 05:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History Section

I believe that a vandal has removed the 'History' section of this page. Could you please replace it? -Concerned Citizen (Quoi?)

I'm not entirely sure it was removed by a vandal (vandalized). There is a separate article for the 'History' of Nepal (similar to other sections). Links to those articles have been added to the 'See Also' section instead. - lex lapax 09:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

-- Hi lex lapax, how can u say that only Nepalis are vandalizing this article? This kind of stereotype doesn't sound acceptable here. Aaniyo 12:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Where is the 'History' section?? we have to restore it asap.. Aaniyo 11:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Three sections were removed by NumaNumaYay (talk). Here are the links to the edits - Economy edit, History edit, Geography edit. - lex lapax 18:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May 18 proclamation

Look here for starters, [1]. I can see some editing has already been done but we need a unified approach to bring all Nepalese articles up to date, perhaps leaving the ones on the exact power of the King until a final decision is reached. I will start on the army pages. Horses In The Sky talk contributions

After the May 18 act shouldn't the opening be changed, Nepal is no longer an "official" Hindu kingdom - 2006 democracy movement in Nepal? TallAlex

[edit] Vandalism Protection?

Vandalism is too high that even the country's name stays wrong for about a day. Perhaps a temporary lock will help. -- G.S.K.Lee 10:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nepali repository of images

I am making an Asian repository of images. Please complete the Nepali part as you see fit, preferably similar to those of France, Britain et al:

Wikipedia:List of images/Places/Asia

I will be working on Iran's section. Thanx.--Zereshk 01:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rudraksha

Can someone tell how this is used as a reference in the article. If it isn't I will remove it in a couple of days as link spam. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I checked this link. In fact it is a commercial website not particularly worthy to be linked to a credible encyclopedia like Wikipedia. Such websites are also useful ones but they should have their separate forum. - Pramod Dhakal

[edit] Kingdom of Nepal

Wikipedia:Accuracy_dispute#Nepal I am a person of Nepalese origin. I checked 6 passports dating from 1989 to 2003 and found that the official name given to the country is simply "Nepal" in all of them. Also the citizenship certificates also write the country as "Nepal".

With all due respect to the first contributor, we also have to straighten the facts. Firstly, "Nepal" was an officially recognized name for decades. Secondly, all soveraign parliament has now unanimously proclaimed that the King's reference be removed from all names of state institutions (country being the highest of them all). To add "kingdom of" in this context is no more than a matter of controversy. Note that CIA Fact Book run by Government of USA with full diplomatic relationship with Nepal always referred this country as simply Nepal as long as we can remember; and even the Royalist government of Nepal did not dispute that instead it issued passports and citizenship cirtificates to all its citizens with the name "Nepal". Why in this changed context, when people are overwhelmly opposed to the king, do we want to attach a controversial suffix? Please stick with Nepal, which cannot be anything other than the truth. A beloved encyclopedia like Wikipedia should not drown into "lowly" political controversies. It should stick to generally undisputed facts and take a high and honourable road.

Sincerely, Pramod Dhakal, Ottawa, Canada

Yes, I totally agree with your view. Aaniyo 03:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

This is not the point. Someone need to check the current constitution of Nepal to see whether the formal name is "Nēpāl Adhirājya" or "Nēpāl". I know all the political developments in Nepal, I know your feeling, but the name needs to be in accordance with that country's active constitution; only the country's legislators can legally change the name. -- G.S.K.Lee 14:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Information I collected ([2],[3]) clearly shows that a complete rewrite of the current constitution is scheduled, however has yet to happen, hence the country's current formal name must be the same with what it is before the King released his powers, namely Kingdom of Nepal. I will see to it that this information is provided in this way until the constitution is rewritten. -- G.S.K.Lee 10:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Jumping into this late, but Kingdom of Nepal does seem right. As of September 15, the BBC reports it as the full name of the country, and the current version of the Constitution also uses that name. I'm mentioning this now because MED12345678 just changed the article from State of Nepal dom of Nepal, and that seems to be correct. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 04:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

well, in EVERY webpage of the gov. of Nepal they changed "his majesties government of Nepal" to "government of Nepal" (sometimes better, sometimes worse, e.g. http://www.cbs.gov.np/) i guess, there is a reason in that. obviously Nepalis CHANGED that. so why not this website? and i doubt the process of change in nepal is reversible. not anymore. (at least not regarding the king) -- 83.221.68.47 15:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] There are no references!

There are no references in the controversial recent events section. That is pretty bad considering this is a feature article. Anyone who knows of this topic should help out by adding those references and cleaning up some of the language there.--P-Chan 15:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repository of images

Greetings,

I have made an Asian repository of images, similar to the one that exists for Europe. Please complete the part pertaining to this country as you see fit, preferably similar to those of France, Britain et al:

Wikipedia:List of images/Places/Asia

Thanx.--Zereshk 14:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia is not a repository of images. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong bank note!!!

The bank note of 'one Nepalese rupee' is outdated! Doesn't someone have a recent one with King Gyanendra on it?

[edit] Long-winded

Aside from the constant presence of PoV rhetoric in the article, it has the problem of being too long. The 43K warning is not some absolute rule, but in this case a lot of the long-windedness really is evitable. It can be removed or made more pithy, shortening the article. People need to remember that each section is just a summary, with a full article linked at its head which gives more detail. --Kaz 15:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia Consul

When did Wikipedia start issuing diplomatic posts? Why is there an email addy in the top line of this article? Its very un-encyclopedia. Can I be the Wikipedia diplomat to Austria? I removed: ":'To know more about nepal, contact nepalese representative to Wikipedia, Ashish Silwal at asilwal@gmail.com'" --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The neutrality of this article leaves much to be desired.

There are a handful bunch of Nepalese nationalists who constantly vandalize this article anonymously. Just rv it when you see any. -- G.S.K.Lee 23:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unbelievable

This article has a neutrality tag on it and a grand total of two footnotes, and is a featured article?! --Descendall 03:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It appears as if some people dropped the ball in making Nepal a FA (primarily due to lack of intext citations). From what I've seen, there have been many articles which have lost their FA status because of a lack of in text citations—please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm all for countries becoming FA's but I'm not sure as if this one was quite ready. b_cubed

[edit] Motto of Nepal

An ip user has stated that the true translation of the motto of Nepal is "Mother and motherland are dearer than the heavens" rather than "Motherland is even dearer than the heavens". Can a Sanskrit speaker or an expert on Nepal confirm this fact?

Yes, the motto of Nepal is "Mother and motherland are dearer than the heaven". Please note the singular "heaven". Aaniyo 12:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

"Prose contains specific citations in source text which may be viewed in edit mode." It would be good if someone who is more famlair with the content of this page would remove this statement and put actual citations into the text as per policy. A casual reader never should be required to "read the source". --Monotonehell 05:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed that, but the references are still skimpy. I don't really know where some of those dates came from in the history section and it's....Argh!--Rmky87 04:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

Has anyone actually seen the peer review of this article, as linked to above? Only one comment was made during the entire thing! Is this some sort of joke? --Descendall 06:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

That was par for the course in 2004. Look at the archives, many got no comments ever. --Dhartung | Talk 10:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National symbols of Nepal

Bird - Lophophorus (Danphe) Animal - Cow Flower - Rhododendron (Lali Gurans) Color - Crimson Red (Simrik)

[edit] Neutrality under Recent Events?

This is a direct quote under the recent events section: "The seven parliamentary parties (SPA), with support from the Maoists, arranged a mass uprising against the reign of King Gyanendra. The royal government used various means to quell the uprising. Frustrated by lack of security, jobs and good governance, thousands of people took to the streets to demand that the king renounce power outright, but the royal government turned even more ferocious and continued its atrocities including daytime curfews amid a Maoist blockade. Food shortages hit people so that they prepared to march into the city centre and encircle the royal palace. The security forces turned brutal and the king seemed to think nothing had happened so far. Thousands were injured and 21 people died in the uprising, which was meant to be peaceful but turned violent due to the actions of the government and its vigilantes." I don't see this paragraph as neutral. While the paragraphs surrounding it are fine, I take issue with "turned even more ferocious and continued its atrocities," "turned brutal," "the king seemed to think nothing had happened so far," the comment that the people were frustrated not "over government decisions," but instead over "lack of good governance," and the comment that the uprising (note the word choice, an "uprising") was meant to be peaceful but became "violent due to the actions of the government and its vigilantes." All of these comments kind of red-flag the neutrality for me. On a seperate note, the diction does not seem to be up to academic standards in this paragraph. For example, the use of the word "turned" instead of "became" sounds immature, and in any case the word is used redundantly. Sentences through the paragraph could stand restructuring, as some of them sound somewhat disjointed and not all of them flow fluidly from one to the next.

[edit] Nepal's Northern Neighbor

To say that Nepal is bordered on the north by the Republic of China indicates to me that the author approves of the Chinese occupation of Tibet. I think it would be good to say that Nepal is bordered on the north by Tibet, thus letting others know we don't accept the Chinese occupation of Tibet. 68.65.122.80 15:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Neither stance is WP:NPOV. As much as I'd agree with you on the issue, Wikipedia is not a soapbox. If the "world authorities" recognise RoC's occupation then thats probably how the text should stand. --Monotonehell 15:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it is better to refer Tibet as "Chinese Autonomous Region of Tibet" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaniyo (talk • contribs) 20:25, 1 October 2006.
Who is "we" (as in "we don't recognise")?
And I think you're confusing the funny fantasies of the Republic of China (i.e. the regime in Taiwan) about Tibet with the very real rule of the People's Republic of China over the Tibet Autonomous Region.
Of course you still happen to be right in some way: the "Republic of China" also claims souvereignty over Tibet, but they also think they should rule over Mongolia (Outer Mongolia) and parts of Russia, that their capital is in Nanjing and that Beijing should be called Beiping. —Babelfisch 02:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FACTUAL ERRORS AND WRONG DATES!

I have tried to correct some grave factual errors in this article. Somebody reinserts them again.

(I altso fixed up missing and wrong links to nepalese parties. Interestingly enough, nobody has reverted this and reinstated the broken and missing links!)

Okay. If this is supposed to be wrong (in such a generally praised article) well, then it is supposed to be wrong.

Ill just repeat here that:

  • To state that "the democratic experiment was dissolved in 1959" IS WRONG!

On the contrary, the ONLY free, parliamentary election before 1991 was JUST in the spring of 1959! The result was a majority for the DC, BP Koirala (the legendary big brother of the present PM) was elected prime minister, and his government started (rather timid) reforms.

Not the END, rather the HIGHLIGHT of "the democratic experiment" was in 1959!

  • King Mahendras coup d.etat, dissolving parliament and forbidding parties, was NOT in 1959 but on the 15th of december 1960!
  • The "partyless Panchayat system" was formally created by the proclamation of a new constitution on the 16th of december 1962!
  • There was NO "Jana Andolan" in 1989! The Jana Andolan (now sometimes called Jana Andolan I, to avoid confusion with the Jana Andolan II of april 2006) started and finished in the spring of 1990!
  • The king had to accept multiparty democracy as a result of the Jana Andolan in the spring of 1990.

"The Monarchy" dindt, as the article here says, "establish a multiparty parliament in May 1991". This parliament was a result of a free election (the second in Nepals history, after the first one in 1959) called by the coalition government formed in the spring of 1990, after the Jana Andolan, by Nepali Congress, the alliance of moderate communist parties, and a couple of kings representatives. The parties had a majority in this government, and this was not "etablished by the monarchy" at all.

The person writing this has not been doing his/her homework. THE "FACTS" ARE WRONG! Check any real source, US official documents about the history of Nepal if that is the only things you trust.

THE DATES AND HISTORICAL FACTS I PUT IN ARE THE CORRECT ONES! So WHY does this article HAVE to contain WRONG dates etc???

Then the following stuff about the year of 2005 is nonsense:

In September 2005, the Maoists declared a three-month unilateral ceasefire which was not reciprocated by the royal government; the latter vowed to defeat the rebels by force. A few weeks later, the government stated that parliamentary elections would be held by 2007 even after the failed municipal elections.

  • Point one: The ceasefire was prolonged, it was about 4 months long. I put that in, for some reason it is cut out again.
  • Point two: "A few weeks later, the govt stated that parl. elections would be held by 2007 EVEN AFTER THE FAILED MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS."
  • A: "The municipal elections" werent held until february 2006! So HOW could the government comment on the parliamentary elections "even after the failed municipal elections" - a few weeks after september 2005? For the record: Between the start of the ceasefire and the municipal election there was more than 20 weeks!
  • B: How can the poor reader of this rubbish understand what "the failed municipal elections" here refer to? I put in the generally aknowledged facts about this:

+ It was in february 2006

+ It didnt take part in most of the country, only in a few big cities

+ Only small pro-royalist parties took part, none of the parties elected to the last parliament in 1999 (and none of the parties that took part in the last municipal elections in 1997 either)

+ According to press reports (among other things, quoted by US diplomats) only about 20% of the people who could vote, did vote. (In fact, people from the 7-party alliance claimed that the turnout was far below that).

Okay so I put in this, to make the whole thing understandable and factually correct.

Cut out and the old absurd text put in again.

WHY?

WHAT IS THE POINT HERE? IS IT A PRINCIPLE THAT THINGS HAVE TO BE WRONG?

Togrim, user of the Norwegian Wikipedia and writer of over 100 articles about Nepal there 2006-09-29


Here is one more:
"Thus India sponsored Tribhuvan as Nepal's new king in 1951, and a new government, mostly comprising the Nepali Congress Party. After years of power wrangling between the king and the government, the democratic experiment was dissolved in 1959, and a "partyless" panchayat system was made to govern Nepal."
The unsuspecting reader will read this as stating that king Tribhuvan dissolved "the democratic experiment" in 1959, and put the Panchayat system in place instead. However, Tribhuvan died in 1955. It was his son Mahendra who did these things. And this didnt happen in 1959 either, but in 1960 and 1962.
(Sigh)
Togrim, user of the Norwegian Wikipedia 2006-09-29

objections sustained!

jan of leipzig 2006-10-12

[edit] Wikilink dates?

Why are the dates, specifically the years, i.e. "1990", not wikilinked? I've seen them wikilinked in most every article I've looked at. Just wondering. b_cubed 03:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The convention follows from Wikipedia's Manual of Style. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, excessive linking of dates and years is a problem on wikipedia, not an expected feature Bwithh 17:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of Nepal?

There is ongoing debate about official name of Nepal. I suggest all the concerned ones to refer to the current events in Nepal. Also, neither the official nor the unofficial name of Nepal included "Royal Nepal" (you will have to show evidence if you want to mention that). Those who edit wiki just for fun should be barred from doing so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.219.152.66 (talk • contribs) . --KJ 21:49 Oct 30, 2006 (UTC)

Your only objection appears to be about the official name, so I've removed the "disputed" tag that you added. That tag is only intended to be used when "someone is concerned that the article may be significantly inaccurate." -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 22:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indo-Aryan "Kelsey Knutson" tribes?

In section number 1 "History", in the 2nd paragraph, the 1st sentence begins: "Indo-Aryan Kelsey Knutson Tribes ...". It seems to me that the term "Kelsey Knutson" is likely not an accurate term, but is the work of a vandal. I don't have the time to check it out, but somebody should.--TGC55 20:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schools

Can somebody add a section for the list of Major Schools and Universities with contact information of school enrollment division?

Major universities:
Tribhuvan University
Mahendra Sanskrit University
Kathmandu University
Pokhara University
Purbanchal University Asubedi 10:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukyas?

It says in the history section that Nepal was influenced by the Chalukya Empire. I find it hard to believe that the Chalukyas (originally from Karnataka and ruling over Karnataka, Maharashtra, and Andhra Pradesh) could have had any influence on Nepal. I would like to verify this statement.

[edit] translators needed at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation

Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation Please add your name under translators--D-Boy 13:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official name of Nepal

The new constitution just says "Nepal's Interim Constitution" (Nepalko Antarim Sambidhan). So I am removing ``Kingdom of Nepal from the article. Asubedi 10:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The English translation gives "State of Nepal" [4]. —Sesel 17:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mahadhesi?

There are a bunch of press articles out currently (January 2007) about a "Mahadhesi" people in the Terai or Madhesh region of Nepal.

I created a stub Mahadhesi article -- but can find virtually no info on the subject.

Please contribute to the Mahadhesi article if you have any knowledge.

There is another article called Madhesh which has much more information. I think it is a good idea to put Madhesi article under Madhesh titled as 'People of Madhesh'. Aaniyo 05:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mahadhesi creator (talk • contribs) 20:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] History of Nepal

There is no mention of Gopal, Mahispal and Kirat era of Nepal in the history which according to Gopal rajbanshawalee, the lineage of Nepalese kings, were the first to rule Nepal. There is no mention of the Brrijs of Janakpur who are now called Madhesis, also I have never heard of anything called Newar era. Newars are dissendants of people (Malla, descendants of Licchawi, Kirat, Mahispal, Gopal etc. and their subjects) who were citizens of Nepal when Prithwi Narayan Shah conquered Nepal. Thank you. --Eukesh 16:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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