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[edit] Query of Deletion :Treasure Beach

I have just noted that this page has been deleted apparently for Blatant Copyright Violation. Here is the entry I found in the deletion log.

16:52, 27 February 2007 Neil (Talk | contribs) deleted "Treasure Beach" (G12)

I am very sorry I missed any discussion that was held on this, since I usually watch articles to which I have contributed. Certainly when I last looked which was probably sometime ago I was not aware of major plagiarism/copyright problems. Unfortunately I cannot now find any trace of the article, because I would like to rescue parts of it that were not copyright violations and restore them. If it is not appropriate to restore the article for me to work on, could I ask for a copy of the deleted material so that I can work on it and make sure it is up to standard before recreating the page.

I note that deleting the page has created several red links which of course need addressing.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Op. Deo 23:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption?

Hi Neil,

I'm looking to be adopted. If you would be so kind as to review my userpage and see if you'd be up for helping me out? Thanks in adv. TearJohnDown 18:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for accepting my request (you can call me John, BTW - my handle is a bit pretentious)!

My first order of business - a good number of articles in the area I'm doing a lot of work in (Music of New Jersey) are being vandalized by a non-registered self-promoter. What steps should I take to get this action to stop?TearJohnDown 23:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

You can ask him nicely to stop. If he doesn't, you can report it for attention at either WP:AIV (for simple vandalism) or WP:AN/I (for cmore complex cases. The end result could be anything from no action (this would be if your case was unwarranted) to the articles being temporarily semi-protected (so only signed in users can edit them), to the self-promoter being banned from editing. Neil (not Proto ►) 22:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
so I just leave a comment on the IP address' talk page? That seems to be the only way i would be able to get a hold of him...

TearJohnDown 20:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, although this can be tricky if he keeps changing IP addresses. You can also try explaining why his edits needed to be reverted in either the edit summary or on the talk page of the article(s). Neil (not Proto ►) 23:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I left a comment on the userpage in question. Let's hope that's all it takes. TearJohnDown 04:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I hate to bother you again...

I've been trying not to call on any one admin for too many favors with editing protected pages,so I'd put another request over at User talk:Daniel.Bryant#Templates handling usernames with equal signs, back at 13:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ... and here it is 00:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC) ... and Daniel now has a "backlog" note atop his talk page. Clearly it was a poor decision on my part to add to his inbox.

Wincing somewhat, I return with hat in hand to beg another favor of you. If (and only if) you have the time; and if Daniel's still had no chance to do the edits by the time you can look over there; would you be willing to tell him not to bother, and then make the edits yourself?

Considering that the problem with user templates not handling equal-signs has led to a call for blocking such usernames, I'd really prefer to get the code-and-documentation updates made sooner rather than later, so the username issue becomes a non-issue.

And I'm beginning to think you're right about the sysopping. Quite aside from speeding up such upgrades as this, it would lessen the workload I keep turning over to already overworked admins. I still doubt that such a short track record as mine will be very assuring to RfA voters, but at worst I'm left with status quo, and at best I get to do needed upgrades faster -- so it's worth trying, if you still feel that way.

But if there's a way to turn off "blocking" powers and just let a poor codesmith keep tinkering, I'd still be happy with that. I don't like having power-over-others; I just want the ability-to-do-things-myself. -- Ben TALK/HIST 00:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi Proto, I mean Neil. I'll try to be a pirate, I mean ninja, now and you can rest assured that I heard every voice loud and clear during the discussion, and will strive to use the mop carefully and responsibly. Thanks for your support, and please don't hesitate to give me constructive criticism anytime. Xiner (talk, email) 02:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rfa thanks

Hey, just popping by to say thanks a bunch for supporting my sucessfull Rfa, I'm honoured to serve the community, andif you ever want any assisstance, you know where to find me Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 18:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFA/Ben

Before Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ben goes live, you might want to spell-check it. See "equual" and "criticismn". If you are using Microsoft's Internet Explorer, you can use the Google toolbar, but I recommend using the v.2.x version of Mozilla's Firefox internet browser, which includes a spell-checker (with several different English dictionaries available as add-ons). BlankVerse 07:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Internet Explorer 7 is an awesome program. I tried Firefox, but it's too slow. And in the time you spent writing this message, you could have fixed those two typos, if you'd been using IE7, which doesn't take 10 seconds to change a page when you click a link, or five minutes to start up. Sorry, I don't like being evangelised to about Firefox (or about Linux, which is a piece of shit system). Neil (not Proto ►) 23:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accepting RfA nomination

According to what we technicians technically designate the little box thingy, I'm to "contact [you] to accept or decline the nomination"; and (draws self up all formal-like) I wish to state, sir, that I am honored by your nomination, and I gratefully accept it in the hope that I may be worthy of your and the community's trust.

Next, let's see here, "If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page." Oh, wait: does that mean I wasn't supposed to be formal here? Or does it mean I have to be even more formal there? -- Ben TALK/HIST "Hello, tuxedo rental?" 09:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

  • In view of BlankVerse's suggestion above, I hesitate to list the RfA on the main page until you've had a chance to do whatever spell-checking or other cleanup you decide to do. (I'm willing to do it myself if you like, but it might not be thought appropriate for a nominee to polish the already glowing praise of himself.) When you feel it's ready to list on WP:RFA, would you please either let me know that, or else (if you so choose) list it yourself? Thanks! -- Ben TALK/HIST 19:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Unsigned2

Could fix the template? Your recent change is causing some unwanted line breaks. Dancter 22:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Protected edit requests on protected templates

Hi Qxz. The templates are tagged with the {{permprot}} tag on the talk pages, which is how they should be (I actually started making a few of the changes then realised it was unnecessary). I have used rollback to revert your edits; please don't take offence to this, but there were a lot of pages you made the same request to. Neil (not Proto ►) 22:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I can see the talk pages are all tagged with {{permprot}}; in most cases that's because I put it there. :) However, I was under the impression that protected templates were meant to be tagged with {{protected template}} as well. Two reasons for this; first, {{permprot}} is on the talk page, not the template page, and second and more importantly, {{protected template}} puts the templates into a category (Category:Protected templates), which I assume is necessary in order to keep track of which templates are protected, and {{permprot}} doesn't. (Even if it did, it would categorize the talk pages, so that would be no good). Apologies if I've misunderstood, but if so could you possibly clarify for me in which situations {{protected template}} does need to be used and when it doesn't? Thanks – Qxz 22:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I've asked for clarification on Wikipedia talk:Protection policy ... I'm not sure myself! Neil (not Proto ►) 22:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Luna Santin has very kindly handled the requests for me. Apologies for taking up your time – Qxz 04:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ben RfA

Hi Neil, thanks for your message. At this time I see no reason for me to change my statement/vote. I think that it is all too human for someone to start out well and then hit a rough spot. We need to see how Ben does when he hits a rough spot. "So-far-so-good" only works if "so-far" is a pretty good length of time. Why not give people adminship after just one week? For that matter, why not just give everyone the admin tools when they join? After all, a new user has not done anything to lose our trust.

Any criteria for adminship are subjective. Personally, I think one-year is a good period of time to truly understand the community and to have encountered enough bumbs in the road for us to see how the candidate will behave on a bad day. I don't hold to one-year as any sort of absolute. I will support giving someone adminship if I see massive evidence of their good works earlier: say 9 months or maybe 6 months. 3 months is just stretching it too far for me.

Besides, you certainly knew that the nomination would be controversial, you even mentioned it in your nom. You must have expected or at least suspected that there would be some opposition. Johntex\talk 23:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a strange suspicion you are trying to compare me to a Noob but I'll let it slide. If anything, I would expect those of us who have been here the longest would be the most likely to object. We have been here long enough to see the horrible abuses that certain admins have committed, and we know that it is next to impossible to get rid of a even a horrible admin. Johntex\talk 00:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User Adoption

Hey Neil! I was interested in looking for an "adoptee" on WikiPedia. I am fairly new... or should I say extremely new. I would consider myself a rather quick learner. I am really looking forward to have a adoptee or mentor that could help me out and teach me stuff about WikiPedia. I do have a user page. I think you just type in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?User_page:ccc999ccc999. Its not so great but as I said, Im still learning ;). Hope to have a response.

And I do believe I check back here for a response. :)

No problem - I have replied on your talk page! Neil (not Proto ►) 22:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contacted Lancaster University

Hi Proto Neil,

I've contacted the abuse department at Lancaster, and hopefully they'll identify and "talk to" the vandal in question. I wouldn't go through all this trouble if I didn't know they actually do something about these guys, but they do, so I do. :-) --Deathphoenix ʕ 02:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI, my contact at Lancaster has identified the user responsible for the vandalism and has passed the complaint along (he actually did so 10 hours ago, but I didn't read his email until now). --Deathphoenix ʕ 19:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Follow-up

Please see Template talk:BirthyrJerry 03:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I've done my best to ignore Henchman, but he keeps at it. I put a normal warning (that any person violating a rule would get) on his page: and he clearly thinks it's false. He also thinks it's just me trying to get him in trouble. The fact of the matter is: he shouldn't be doing any attacks (and if does do any, he should own up to them, instead of claiming it's not an attack). RobJ1981 04:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template Esoteric

Hi Neil / Proto. After my initial suport of your suggested 'Complex' name, I thought of an even more appropriate one: 'Intricate', and I presented a renewed template on Template Talk:Esoteric#Move?. Would you mind inspecting it and the several comments underneath your own: I placed once more a request to unprotect, please leave a note there [as 'Proto']; else we're going to get stuck with 'esoteric' forever, I'm afraid. I also think that my suggested term is about the middle ground between your 'complex' and 'conditional logic' (suggested by Doug Bell), at the low end, and AsoToth's concern for some of the more esoteric templates. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 17 Mar 2007 05:11 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Query

I see you deleted [Overture (notation software)]. I read it and it did have some problems but I didn't think it was that bad. With older sofware like this it's sometimes hard to track down verifiable references. Is it really better to have no article rather than one that needs editing? Connectionfailure 12:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If it fails to assert why the program is notable and reads like advertising, yes, it's better to have no article - if the program is notable, perhaps we will shortly see an adequate article. A red link will poke people into action. Neil (not Proto ►) 17:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why was the List of Japanese Surnames page deleted?

Why?

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of surnames. Neil (not Proto ►) 17:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bold

How bold. I think the informing of the user being discussed should be enforced better, so I support this. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 17:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. WP:U says to ask first, the header of RFCN says to ask first, and if they haven't been asked first, I am going to start removing on sight. Neil (not Proto ►) 17:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the recent penchant for hairtrigger complaints on WP:RFCN, I support 100% your move to remove reports where the user was not consulted in advance. However, you need to perform more thorough investigations before blanketly stating that a user has not been consulted or warned. In the case of User:Ombudsman, he had multiple previous warnings about his username and requests to change it or to place a disclaimer on his user page. Bringing up his username on WP:RFCN is therefore entirely appropriate at this time.
On second thought, it would help things immensely if the WP:RFCN instructions for creating a new report included something like "Please post evidence that you have tried to resolve the problem with the user directly." Perhaps this could even be incorporated into a template for editors to use when posting a new report, provided that people don't think this is instruction creep. —Psychonaut 19:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
That may go too far, sometimes it is better to talk to the user first, other times it is better to tell them that the discussion has started. I think it is enough to ask that there is a recent thread on the users talk page leading to the discussion, that would be more in line with current practice. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 22:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adopt-A-User program

Hi, Neil. I joined WP a few months ago, and did a bit of editing, but it seemed a bit overwhelming. Having seen this program, and searched through the adopter list, I was hoping you'd be willing to adopt me. Lara Taylor 05:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, ok, but do you really think you need it? :) I think you'll be 'leaving the nest' very quickly indeed. Neil (not Proto ►) 22:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Neil! I have formatting down (for the most part... lots of looking at other pages for help... you'd probably be surprised to know how long it takes me to do some edits), but I have a few questions about bringing info in. For example, I'm wanting to vastly expand the articles for Goodfellow Air Force Base and Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, and I want to create a page for Forsyth Medical Center. There's tons of great information on each of their websites, but I'm not sure what's the right way to pull it. I see the notice about Copyrights and I have these flashbacks to elementary school and the plagiarism warnings! I know to cite my sources, but is that enough? Do I have to reword everything or can I just pull paragraphs and bullet lists as long as I give credit to the site? I know I can't just copy a page as it, but how much alteration is necessary? So that's what I most want help with... How to pull information and the best way to organize it. Lara Taylor 05:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes. And I have issues with images. Not only do they never show up when I try to add them to an article, but I'm not sure what images are okay to use considering Copyrights. Lara Taylor 19:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Responding on your talk page ... Neil (not Proto ►) 22:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Please check my talk page for a reply. Lara Taylor 04:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Neil. I was hoping you could check over Emerson Radio and tell me if it looks good. I took it from a stub to what it is now and want to know if it looks all good. Any suggestions for improvement are appreciated. Thanks. LaraLove 03:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your comments! I'll be working on creating Forsyth Medical Center next. I'll update you once it's finished. It's exciting to be creating a whole page! LaraLove 16:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance on the Emerson Radio page. I'm learning a lot. If I only had more time! LaraLove 17:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Neil! Please check out Forsyth Medical Center. Tell me if I went overboard with information, relied to heavily on one source, incorrectly did anything... that kind of stuff. I know I need pictures, I'll get around to taking them in a few days. But other than that; like it, love it, hate it... let me know. And suggestions for improvement. I know it needs more Wikifying, but I'm putting that off for another day. I look forward to your comments. Thanks, LaraLove 07:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your help with the picture of the Celtic Cross in Constantine. === Vernon White (talk) 22:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem Vernon, you're welcome and happy editing! Neil (not Proto ►) 00:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] At this rate...

... it begins to look like I may have to pester admins about protected-page edits for at least a few more months. When, or even just before, that starts to become a bother to you, please let me know, and I will immediately shift "your share" of that workload over to some other poor, unsuspecting, and no doubt equally overworked admin, on the principle that the best person to get the job done quickly is someone who's already busy. (If at that time you have any suitable candidates in mind, please point me in their direction.) Thanks for all your help and support already! -- Ben TALK/HIST 01:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind, please do continue asking me. If I were to point you towards other admins if I get swamped, a lesser, petty part of me suggests I should be pointing you in the direction of all the admins who voted 'oppose' to your candidacy. As far as the RFA itself goes, don't worry about it ... the mantra was just 'more time', not 'HAH! Never!'. Around about mid to late May would do it. Although, editing a few articles wouldn't help ... there must be something you like and know enough about to polish up a few articles. Even if it's porn stars. Neil (not Proto ►) 17:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion review of Kings of Chaos

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Kings of Chaos. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 129.174.184.3 08:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matrixism Deletion Review

In your comment when you voted on the deletion review of Matrixism you suggested writing and article on the Matrixism talk page. Unfortunately the administrator who deleted and salted the Matrixism article also deleted and salted the Matrixism talk page. It looks like an attempt to railroad the Wikipedia process by removing transparency. Again it is not possible to write an article on the talk page. What action do you suggest now? 206.188.56.24 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Neil/Matrixism. Start putting it together there. I'll even help out, there's a viable article there somewhere. Put all the references and a few neutral sentences if nothing else. Neil (not Proto ►) 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
As I said the Matrixism talk page has been deleted and protected. It is not possible for me to start an article there. Apparently one would have to be an administrator to unprotect the talk page. Are you an administrator?
Also your comments have been edited out of the deleteion review of Matrixism. Did you do this or are people playing games there? 206.124.144.3 22:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I am an administrator. Use the link above - User:Neil/Matrixism - and create your first draft of the article there. If it is okay, I can move it into article space. We have the tools, we have the technology. We can rebuild you (it). No idea what happened with the deletion review, although as of now, all comments are there. And I am trying to help you, but being rude - mostly unfairly - to people isn't helping your case, man. Neil (not Proto ►) 00:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for anything rude that I might have written. I am generally a very polite and civil person. I imagine I must have become a bit fustrated by some of the procedural abuse. I promise I will not let it happen again.
I found a Wikipedia article for creation while doing a Google search for Matrixism. It seems to be a good article. I will post it with additional references where you have suggested. Thanks. 206.188.56.24 02:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Longmont Potion Castle

For this reason alone, you are an irredeemable tosser. —The preceding unsigned comment was tossed in by 74.138.228.238 (talk • contribs • WHOIS) 21:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I do love making pancakes. Neil (not Proto ►) 00:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Hellfreezesover666

I don't know if you realised, but the above username was taken to AIV twice, thats why it was brought to WP:RFCN - just thought I'd throw in some reasoning for it being there! Fully agree though in general, people should have a discussion with the user first - its simply biting otherwise Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 22:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't nominate it by the way, I simply let the user know as no-one had Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 22:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Doh, I do apologise. It was User:John Broughton. Sorry Ryan. This is my own personal little crusade, and so help me I will make sure that people ask the new users first, not just send it to RFCN and expect them to know where to go and what to do. Neil (not Proto ►) 22:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Ha, easy mistake to make, to be honest with you, I always use the tag now, got a few I've given out and I'm waiting for a response, had one today in fact, and the user simply requested a new username, and had one within 5 minutes! (He had his email address as his username). Certainly better to ask first, I'll help you out in the future with this one, think its important Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 22:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfA.

I responded to your neutral. Acalamari 22:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I gave a suggestion here. I hope it helps. Acalamari 23:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aloha (+ an AfD)

Dear editor formerly known as Proto (you'll always be Proto to me...). I'm out of the loop on recent AfD consensus. What do you think of this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Emin Salla? Crackpots who are notable amongst crackpots are keep-able? Marskell 19:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, as it stands, I'd close that as a delete. No reliable sources on the article or provided in the discussion. Neil (not Proto ►) 01:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption?

I would like to be adopted please. (See it is asking nicely!)I've been working on the stubs I've found by doing random article and the stubs in the Video Game category. GhostWritten§ 13:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

No probl;em, see your talk page. Neil (not Proto ►) 16:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

I have been doing a few stubs and have signed up for the Album project. I've learned that I probably need some tips and tricks and I hope to get them by being adopted by you. Will you please adopt me? Sorenw 15:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. I think adoptions are now closed, that's enough to keep me busy! Neil (not Proto ►) 16:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neil. Thanks for adopting me :-) Would you please have a look at the pages I have worked on so far and give me some coments on what I should do differently and what (if anything) is done right? Best regards Sorenw 19:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFCN

Neil, I'm sorry, but is it really necessary to be insulting and sarcastic in some of your edits to WP:RFCN? I refer specifically to this, among others. RJASE1 Talk 20:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Not really, I am sorry if describing things as "policy wonking" upset you. I am starting to lose patience with people who value policy above common sense trying to get new editors with user names such as "Z356363" or "Fartymcgee" blocked ... it is horribly bad faith and biting to new users. Neil (not Proto ►) 20:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's terms like "loon" and "lame" that I think are problematic. And I don't believe the nominations are in bad faith - at least mine weren't. RJASE1 Talk 20:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
No, yours weren't so bad. And you used {{UsernameConcern}} first, hooray! Neil (not Proto ►) 20:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neil. Thanks for your review and comments. I'll make it my project to make pages for the people involved with the two albums.

[edit] Deletion Query: Gone With The Blastwave

Hi, a while ago you were the closing admin for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_with_the_Blastwave It seems that the article was salted as well as deleted? It seemed to be consensus that it wouldn't be salted, and about 50/50 that it should even be deleted, and you made no mention of a salting in your closing statement (though I do strongly disagree with the outcome, we seemed to have at least 2 verifiable sources, but I am not going to bother taking it to deletion review because it would probably be deleted anyway), but when I looked up the article just then to find out if anybody had remade it in the meantime, I found out it had been salted. I wanted to know your reasons for salting it (assuming it was you). If I am mistaken, please correct me. Thankyou Darkcraft 13:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Darkcraft. I didn't salt it, it was User:Centrx - see [1]. Neil (not Proto ►) 18:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matrixism Article

The Matrixism article at User:Neil/Matrixism seems to have shaped up pretty well. You might want to take a look at it to see what you think. 206.188.56.88 02:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Lady Records

Are you planning on completing my total humiliation by going to FAC when you get back? :) Seriously, it's good to see an article so far improved, I hope you go for it. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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