Talk:Neil Cicierega

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An impromptu deletion-related discussion occured on the talk page of this article from March 6, 2005 and was not concluded until February 8, 2006. This discussion occured out of procedure, without proper templates or a separate AfD page, and lasted almost a year. The result of the discussion was a virtually unanimous keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

This page was previously nominated for deletion. Please see prior discussions before even considering re-nomination: Keep, January 12, 2006, see discussion. No consensus, November 16, 2005 Keep, December 12, 2004, see discussion.

Contents 1 PoV 2 Deletion Vote 3 Ultimate Showdown: Should It Get It's Own Article? 4 discography 5 Lemon Demon 6 Website 7 Lemonic Demonade 8 Other names? 9 New Picture 10 Composition

[edit] PoV

"Cicierega created one of the most original genres of Flash animation..." This bit probably doesn't belong in Wikipedia, which doesn't want content that expresses an opinion. What would be the best way to express this in a more neutral way? AdamAtlas 02:56, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Vote

Vote for Deletion again - If every 17 year old internet geek had an article on Wikipedia then there would be twice as many pages as there are now. Seriously - this guy in unknown to 99.9999% (approximately) of the world's population. Maybe his 'invention' deserves a stub, but I doubt he does. Arcturus 21:54, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Next time you would like to put something on AfD, please do so using the procedures found at WP:AFD. The problem with not following the outlined procedure is that you get a page like this that has had an AfD discussion on the talk page for about a year, with nobody concluding it because it doesn't use the proper templates and does not have a discussion of its own. Since the vast majority of votes on this page are keep I am going to be bold and "conclude" it, moving the AfD-related contents of the talk page to a separate archive, and adding a "survived pseudo-AfD" notice to the top of the page. --TexasDex 02:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite frankly he's prolific enough to warrant his own site. Even as a mere "internet celebrity".203.131.167.26 13:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Showdown: Should It Get It's Own Article?

I voted down the presence of Ultimate Showdown's article a while ago. Back then it wasn't significant, important, or anything. However, now it seems to have become a very, very big online hit and has a cult following big enough to result in incredible increase in traffic to Cicierega's weblog, forums, and ultimately way more album orders. I was thinking; now that it's become such a significant thing, should it have it's own article again? The "list of characters" is rather cumbersome and near-irrelevant to Cicierega himself here, and the huge stuff about it makes it feel like it's all Cicierega is when it isn't. Tenniru 00:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The Ultimate Showdown seems fine where it is, but the "list of fighters" section is more than a little superfluous.

Yeah, I don't think it's important enough to be on the main article either. In fact, it's a bit useless. Any thoughts on if it'd be good to remove it? Tenniru 21:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] discography

is dimes an actual cd? cause i think it isn't. it's not on Neil's discography page.

I have a copy of Dimes, it's real. Was sold via the old mp3.com cd printing/online sales combo method along with the other Trapezoid albums like Microwave This CD.

[edit] Lemon Demon

I'm thinking that there may be enough information on Lemon Demon for it to be given its own main article. (Lemon Demon currently redirects here.) Neil is putting together a live band; at past performances they've been a duo, Neil with his friend Alora Lanzillotta as the bassist, but they are now working with a guitarist and drummer, so Lemon Demon will soon be more than Neil. I think the fact that Lemon Demon is frequently played by Dr. Demento meets the WP:MUSIC notability guidelines. Any thoughts? —Adam Atlas 03:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Lemon Demon had its own page before, but it was decided that it would be deleted and merged with this one. I could be mistaken. Andrew zot 16:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Website

Just tried to access lemondemon.com and found it not responding. Anyone know if this is an on-going issue, should links be updated?--Crossmr 00:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Dude your internet sucks, it works fine for me

Yeah its fine today. But at the time I posted I tried for about 15 minutes and it was 404. Make sure to sign your posts, so we know day and time you post.--Crossmr 03:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That domain sees a lot of traffic and occasionaly goes over its bandwidth. Sometimes you have to wait until the end of the month before it comes back. --User:Monotonehell 12:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lemonic Demonade

Was this event worthy of putting the the article? It sounds like Neil intends for this to be an annual event... —XSG 03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I think it's supposed to be a quiet and personal thing, not an annual rock fest. Ashibaka tock 04:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Neil has made a passing mention of it on his LiveJournal, although it was nothing more than a "see you next year". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.230.250 (talk • contribs) . 13:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Um, is there any reason to think that this is any more than just a glorified house party? --128.111.215.14 18:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other names?

Neil is also known by several names not mentioned at the beginning of this artical. He has also has music produced under the names "Trapezoid", "Deporitaz", and "MEGO vs. SPAGO". Should this be mentioned at the beginning with the others? 24.144.151.182 20:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• Trapezoid and Deporitaz are the same thing, and MEGO vs. SPAGO isn't nearly important enough to be mentioned at the beginning, seeing as we only know of two songs done under that name. --BranER 22:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture

Perhaps there should be a new, clearer picture of Neil at the upper portion of the article? I just thought this might be a good idea seeing as this is the article on Neil Cicierega the person, not just his band. Depending on how exactly things work, there are multiple pictures throughout the Internet of his face, recent ones. Captainstoat 02:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Composition

Neil has done compositional work on a number of short films. Though I'm not sure a complete list is necessary, I think the volume of work produced merits at least a mention. http://www.lemondemon.com/lemondemon/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3679 - 206.75.99.84 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)