Talk:Neighbours/Archive 1

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Scarlet Bar

In the article it states that Paul owns this and leases it to Max and Izzy. I thought though that Max owned half and that Paul had given Izzy the money for her half which is why Max approached Izzy to buy the rest of the share when she was addicted to drugs.

Jewish characters

On a similar note to the Gay characters discussion, Neighbours has had several Jewish actors, and a few characters whose names and appearances make them possibly Jewish, but has any character ever been identified as such? --MartinUK 18:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Does it matter?

Gay characters

in reference to lana being the show's first openly gay character, is this correct? i thought gino was a bit fruity/camp altho never was sure if he confirmed his sexual preferences. some clarification please!

ta! DaveLewis 04:30, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The original description for Gino suggested that he might be gay, but it was removed for some reason. Maybe libel applies to fictional characters in Australia, or something. Bonalaw 09:02, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

the show certainly alluded that he was gay, giving him stereotypical gay tendencies, my pov anyway. However, i dont think they ever said he was gay. In this sense, altho gino might have been the first gay character, i suppose the article is about right in sayin lana is the first 'openly gay character' but that phrase just doesnt sit right with me!

DaveLewis 13:22, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There have been at least two gay men in the series previously. A male teacher working with Susan who was the victim of parental complains about his sexuality. There was also a hunky young man who Debbie Martin fancied. He had to admit to her he was gay. These were not enduring characters but certainly in more than one episode. 28 Dec 2004.

The teacher in question was called Andrew, and seemed to be a much more 'comfortable' way (for the producers at least) of introducing homosexuality than would have been the use of a well written teen storyline. The Lana plot would have been near-unthinkable in the 1990s, especially on what seems to me to be the highly twee Network Ten. I also think that 'Lana' was one of the best, most accurate and sensitively written storylines we have seen on Neighbours. --Ross UK 01:24, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Network Ten twee?!?!?! You have obviously never heard of Number 96 (TV series), The Box (soap opera) - two 1970s soaps with several gay characters, sex scenes and nudity (Then there's Big Brother Uncut for more recent naughtiness) Asa01 05:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Can someone expand on Gino please? I added him in the 'other characters' section!

There was already a bio for Gino in the Past Characters (Neighbours) article, so I took the bio you made and merged it with the article that was already there.Cyclone49 09:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

There has never been a permanent character on Neighbours that is knownly gay or lesbian. All characters (including Bridget Neval aka Lana) have been recurring.

Tone of the article

Is it me, or is this article written with a humourous slant? Perhaps it needs to be more neutral? Sanguinus 11:01, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It may not be a coincidence that "Erinsborough" is an anagram of "Our neighbors".

Sorry, Lee M, but I've had to remove this. Has anyone connected to the programme mentioned this as the origin of the name? If so, then we can attribute it and put it back in. Otherwise, it sounds too much like vague editorial speculation... Interesting, though. Never noticed it before. But the programme is called Neighbours, and not Neighbors, isn't it...? -- Oliver P. 19:14 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

True. Actually it was Victor Lewis-Smith who pointed out the anagram in his TV column. "Erinsborough" -> "Our neighbors" or "Or Neighbours". There are probably other, ruder anagrams, if anyone cares to look for them.... -- Lee M

O, he rubs groin. BennyFromCrossroads 16:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The name of the suburb in which the series takes places was not revealed onscreen until midway through the first year when Maria Ramsay was heard calling a taxi to her home. It was indeed coined by the scriptwriters toying with anagrams of "Neighbours", namely:

"We had a blackboard in the room, and he would while away spare time trying to come up with an anagram of the word Neighbours. After what seemed like several hundred attempts (it was probably dozens) he finally came up with Erinsborough. But he had to use an extra ‘r’ and ‘o’."

Full interview is here: PerfectBlend Neighbours interview

List of characters

Hi, I'm trying to compile a complete list of all the characters that have ever been in Neighbours (ambitious, I know). If anyone can help, please add to the list. For now, it's on the main page, but we could migrate it to a separate page once it gets too unwieldy. Also, if anyone has any ideas on how best to order the list (surname, forename, relationship, appearance, etc) please suggest below. Cheers --Dunk 21:32, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Episodes section

Great project. But I'm a bit unsure about your "favourite episodes" section. That's an essentially POV heading surely! Not quite sure how to handle it, especially in view of the fact that someone has already merged your separate page for the list of characters back into the main article (and you seem to have handled that very graciously, well done). We might want to revisit that decision IMO. Andrewa 17:34, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps noteworthy episodes is a better section title. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:42, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Changed to noteworthy but I don't care if it's deleted. Might bring back a few good memories for Neighbours fans though.

Dunk, if you are still interested in this topic, make your self aware of http://www.ramsay-street.co.uk/ - the sheer depth they have there is pretty amazing - a synopsis of all 4,000 odd episodes plus a complete cast for each week. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Hmm, confused, I think this week-by-week cast list http://www.ramsay-street.co.uk/episodes/cast3751.asp may be a one off. Pete/Pcb21 (talk)

Alan Dale

Actor Alan Dale who had previously starred in The Young Doctors, played the central character of Jim Robinson for the show's first seven years and is now a recognisable star in US series such as 24, The O.C. and NCIS.

Actor Alan Dale is no longer part of 'The O.C.' and should be removed, or clarfied. Fabiodrn 13:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the amount of information about Dale should be tonned down in the introduction. Fabiodrn 13:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Aussie soaps in the US

Hey, Prisoner (TV series) was also shown in the US (and quite popular there, too). So were there five Aust soaps to have been shown in the US? - 16 Nov 2004

British broadcast dates

The article alludes to the fact that British viewers have always been 'behind' in the story, but that the gap is ever-decreasing because of the show's summer hiatus in Australia. This year (2004) the show is going off air in Britain for three weeks over Xmas - which suggests that British viewers have almost 'caught up' Adambisset

Yes, I think the UK is now only about a month behind Australia, and efforts are made to maintain approximately that gap, so it has breaks over christmas and easter now, as well as going off air during major sporting events (Olympics, Soccer World Cup) Bonalaw 14:32, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It isn't "ever decreasing" This year it increases by two weeks due to the Olympics. Combined with Wimbledon and bank holidays this meant that it was over 10 weeks in the autumn compared to 4 early in the year, and it will only come down to 6 over Christmas

Correct, the "ever decreasing" used to be true... the gap fell from 18 months to 1 month over a period of about 12 years. As you both say, this current gap is now maintained. Pcb21| Pete 15:03, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This has long annoyed me. The delay began at about 19 months in 1986 and gradually came down to 35 days (or a deficit of 25 episodes) on 21 February 2000. Since then the BBC have conspired with Network Ten to frustrate and prevent the equilisation of episodes. The measures taken include:

Extending the season from 45 weeks to 47 weeks so that the annual recovery can only be five weeks and not seven.
Not broadcasting episodes for two weeks over Christmas, or on the five UK bank holidays (whereas previously these days all had episodes broadcast on them, with the exception of Christmas Day when it fell on a weekday). This buys an initial three weeks.
Not broadcasting episodes during Wimbledon (an extra two weeks, thereby making up the deficit of five). This was introduced for the first time in 2000; in 2001, it was curious that, when asked about broadcasting Neighbours during Wimbledon, the BBC announced that the soap would take its 'usual break'. This after 13 occasions without such a break and one with, hardly 'usual' practice!
Not broadcasting episodes during the Olympic Games, although not presently applied to the Winter Games as well as to the Games of the Olympiad. There were no episodes shown during the Games in either Sydney or Athens.
Not broadcasting episodes during the World Cup. This had slipped my mind, but it does appear from looking at the record that this is also correct, the omission being for two weeks.
Not broadcasting episodes during the European Football Championships. This had not occurred to me, but this also enjoys a lay-off of two weeks.

Therefore the annual loss from a potential five week gain is five weeks plus a share of the non-annual events (six weeks in four years, assuming the Games and Euros don't clash): an average of 6.5 weeks per year. Thus we're losing about 8 episodes every year and suffering an added delay of about 10 days. As I write this, the current delay is 83 days on an AUS Friday episode and a deficit of 59 episodes. A shocker, and it will only get worse.

Not that it matters a great deal of course... --Ross UK 01:24, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

The BBC have now decided that they have stalled enough in order not to have to suspend showings of Neighbours over Christmas 2005. Thus we will recover 14 episodes, reducing the deficit back to 40. It will be interesting to see how many more we are allowed before things are again deemed 'too close'. --Ross UK 04:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Character Descriptions

I'm unconfortable with many of these in terms of NPOV:
1. Harold Bishop - "slightly naïve, often comic relief"
2. David Bishop - "A dull individual, often too proud to ask for help."
3. Sky Mangel - "Harold's rebellious teenage"
4. Summer Hoyland - "precocious daughter of Max"
5. Louis Carpenter - "chalk-and-cheese friendship with Harold Bishop"
6. Connor O'Neill - "slightly naïve"
7. Svetlanka Ristic - "Very evil lady, who hates David with a passion"
8. Valda Sheergold - "Over-the-top busybody and comic relief."
9. Carmella Cammenneti - "Over protected daughter"

These are all opinions, not facts thus in breach of the NPOV policy of Wikipedia. I would say 3, 4 and 6 are not accurate descriptions of ever-fluxtuating characters now. "chalk-and-cheese", "comic relief", "busybody" among other turns of phrase in these descriptions may not be universally understood and are again opinionated. The importance of enforcing this policy is underlined by the fact that, upon her second appearance, I no longer would agree with "very evil lady" in reference to Svetlanka. I disagreed with the use of the phrase in describing David Bishop and removed it but it was reinstated with the text "reinstate desc of David. Though wikipedia is meant to be NPOV, articles may still include personal descriptions and evaluations of *fictional* characters in a TV series.)" in the note... if this is an official or even unofficial policy of wikipedia, please could someone give other examples/point me in right direction. I disagree with this on the basis that "evaluations" are not going to be universally agreed on. What do others think?

- David Pendray dpen2000 19:12, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think the point is that these characters are deliberately written and played in a particular way. Valda is an over-the-top busybody and often comic relief because she's written with those characteristics in mind. We're not describing real people, we're talking about fictional creations who have a role to fulfil, and describing what that role is. That Harold is often a bumbling twit is as much a part of what he does in the programme as the fact that he runs the Coffee Shop. It's no more POV than describing, say, Achilles as a "tragic hero". I agree a few of them need to be altered because they're out of date, and if idioms like "chalk and cheese" cause confusion, then they should be changed for comprehension's sake. But I don't see POV as an issue here. Bonalaw 09:22, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think most of these descriptions are very accurate, and arn't that biased. However I think 3 and 6 should probably be changed, as Sky hasn't been rebelious until around early 2004, and I don't think Connor really is a naive character. Cyclone49 12:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I think if we could aim for descriptions of the same quality as on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Archers, then that would be cool. - David Pendray dpen2000 11:56, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Spoilers

I know there's a spoiler heading on the page, but I'm pretty sure that applies only to episodes that have ALREADY BEEN SCREENED. I know it's possible to see the coming week's storylines around the place, but can we keep them off the article? Though I'm glad the whole Karl spoiler that was posted was false, let's try and stop it happening in the future. MrHate 09:54, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I think this article should be written at Australian pace, and the spoiler warning should apply to people from the UK and other countries that get it later than Aus. Otherwise a lot of viewers that don't want to be spoiled, like me, won't be able to edit the article.Cyclone49 09:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Someone has edited a lot of the character profiles with information that has not aired in Australia yet. I've edited a couple of the biographies back to their original form, but since I try to avoid spoilers I would rather not read the other spoilers. Could someone who does read spoilers please revert the pages back so that they do not include spoilers for Australian viewers. Cyclone49 06:06, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be a link to a previous version of the article that would be current for the UK viewers. (For a refernce point, we've just past the Plane Crash)Tompw 17:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Can people stop posting spoilers? The spoilers re: Sky/Stingray pregnancy have been up for a couple of weeks (under character description) and this hasn't even aired on Oz tv. The Connor/Rob-Cam altercation has been up for a couple of weeks also, and has only just begun on Oz tv. Ninevah 23:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Notable episodes

The notable episodes list either needs to focus more on the actual episodes, giving episode numbers, or be folded into the new seasons section. Oliver Chettle 12:38, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

1995

I've noticed someone keeps changing the 1995 description from:

1995 is generally seen as one of the worst seasons in Neighbours' history, with many of the fans finding the storylines very dull. That said, the season still had some memorable moments, including Susan Kennedy confessing to Brett Stark that she performed euthanaisia on her mother when she was younger.

To:

1995 is generally seen as one of the best seasons in Neighbours' history, with many of the fans finding the storylines funny. The season had some memorable moments, including Susan Kennedy confessing to Brett Stark that she performed euthanaisia on her mother when she was younger.

Now, I understand that both these descriptions may seem massively POV, but I was the one who wrote the original description, and I haven't actually seen that season, I was just going by what most people say about it. If you go to any Neighbours forum, about 90% of the members would say it was a horrible season , it got bad ratings and even the script writers say it was bad (apparantly they almost got fired because of that season). Now, you may think it was a great season, you may well be right, I haven't seen the season so I can't judge, but I am just going by the general consesus when I was writing it. I'm reverting it back to the original description for now. Cyclone49 22:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, people have not only been changing the 1995 description back, but changing other season descriptions to say whether they were the best or worst seasons. For the time being at least, I think it may be a good idea to remove anything that says whether a season is was good or bad, and leave it completely NPOV. However, since 1995 has acheived almost cult status as being the worst season (even the writers and producers say it was the worst), I would still like to talk about that in the 1995 description. Cyclone49 11:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Actor appearing on Neighbours

Is this section designed to be for the current actors appearing on Neighbours, or actors that have appeared at anytime?

Also shouldn't it be called 'Actors appearing on Neighbours'?

Hierarchy of Current Characters

While I think this table is a good idea, I think it would probably be more useful if it was based on the Australian cast, since the rest of the article is as well. Cyclone49 04:20, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

This would of course pre-empt viewing in the UK and other countries. It is, however, within the 'spoiler' warning. It would be silly to have multiple tables, but it seems to be a choice between spoiling for some and being less useful for others. --Ross UK 00:27, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but it is an Australian show. The Law and Order article, for example, is at American pace, not Australian or British pace. I don't really see why there should be one table at UK Pace when the rest of the article is at Australian pace. Cyclone49 01:39, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe you should re-read. I am mainly agreeing with you, and saying that separate tables would be a bad idea aesthetically. The table is not a spolier unless one is viewing the programme from outside Australia, in which case it would be. The shame is that, having inserted the table, I will not be able to view it without spoiling my viewing! --Ross UK 20:14, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I see what you mean now. I think I'll just leave the table how it is right now, I would probably prefer to see what others think of it before changing it. Cyclone49 01:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for feedback. --Ross UK 00:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Screencap

Of all the possible moments we could grab a still from Neighbours, did we really have to go for one of scantily-clad young people? ;-) I mean, it's not particularly illustrative, is it? It does lower the tone a little...better would be a shot of Ramsay Street, or of some long-running characters (even if they're not very titillating). — Matt Crypto 01:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Why can't we have both? If you want to add some other pictures, go ahead, but I don't see why we need to remove that picture as well, I think we should have pictures of as many characters as we can. Cyclone49 01:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- Well, let's see what other people think. To me, it's just looks highly tacky and unprofessional. It gives a strong impression that the only reason the picture was chosen was because of the subjects aren't wearing very much, not because it's a good illustration of the soap. — Matt Crypto 09:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The picture should be deleted.

I'm not sure who the above was written by, but my two cents is that now Serena has died, the picture of her there.. I don't know. Regardless of how many clothes she's wearing, she's now no longer in the cast.. Thoughts? Bobo192 18:57, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

It's probably best if the picture is removed now then isn't it, to something more illustrative of the current cast? Evil Eye 13:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Bobby Davro joke?

i removed this:

Rumours abound in the Southern hemisphere that veteran bronzed comedian and pantomime starlet, Bobby Davro, will be joining the cast in the Spring.

Seems like a joke. Why would people in Southern Hemisphere have a rumour about someone they had never heard of before. According to wikipedia seems this guy is a faded UK comic. Asa01 05:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Hierarchy thing

Can someone explain what is meant by this "hierarchy of current characters"? As a non-Neighbours viewer I don't know what it's about. - Mark 01:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

It is the order each character arrived on the show, and the episode they first appeared it. Cyclone49 05:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I have changed its title to reflect this. - Mark 01:38, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- I see that it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I'll have to maintain my own list as well. --Ross UK 18:22, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Unflattering photo

The picture of Natalie Blair (Carmella) does her no favours. Her face isn't as good as her figure, but it's better than it looks here. Rhollenton 11:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

All the images of characters contain the same grimace, they all looked displeased with something, which doesn't sum up the spirit of neighbours very well. If anyone has any smiley images for at least some of the characters, they could be improved? Jonnisr 00:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Mistake rectified. Kogsquinge 05:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Harold and Paul

I have modified "Harold strangles Paul Robinson" as in order to strangle him Paul would have to die. (StudentSteve 04:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC))

And yet the article on strangling says "Strangling does not have to be fatal; limited or interrupted strangling is practiced in erotic asphyxia". I haven't been able to find this in a reliable source though. BennyFromCrossroads 23:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Susan

Can anyone provide a more up-to-date picture of Susan?? The one we have at the moment is ancient - just look at her long hair!

I will attempt to do this very soon, along with various other cast memebsr either missing or vaguley outdated. I think it's only fair to have everyone's image on there. I am assuming that many shots existing are taken from episodes directly, if this is the case I can have a selection of screengrabs available within 24 hours. --Tahninial 01:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

UK/Spoilers

Would it be possible to maintain a link the aproriate archive version of this artilce that would be up-to-date and spoiler free for UK viewers? Tompw 16:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I have cleaned the page of all info not known by UK viewers (hopefully). The UK page is linked to at the top. Is this appropriate? Wowlookitsjoe 21:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Speaking as a UK viewer, I have to say I think having a seperate UK page is a bit un-encyclopedic. Wikipedia isn't a tv show fan site. - Matthew Humphreys 17:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Possibly... instead of a seperae article, why not just give a link to a previous version of the article? Tompw 23:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a fork and forks are against policy. I will nominate it for deletion. Honbicot 18:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Selective deletion

I am about to delete from the article history those revisions whose content and/or edit summaries libel Xtra, per Wikipedia's libel policy. Selective deletion requires full deletion followed by selective restoration. Therefore this article will be deleted for a very brief period of time. Snottygobble 05:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Complete. Snottygobble 05:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Character Bios

I know this is a page about Neighbours, but is it really necessary to have character biographies on this page when most of the characters have separate pages? It would make the page much smaller, and would make for less editing. Just an idea. JD 00:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Shane Connor "not a peadophile" (sic)

What's the deal with the statement that Shane Connor tours UK universities "where he reminds the students that he is not a peadophile." (sic) ??????--139.30.17.176 22:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Harold's Middle name is actually Wayne

Harold's Middle name is actually Wayne, and not "vandalism". It was revealed in his first Marriage ceremony to Madge in 1988.

Cast/characters

I have replaced the "current characters" section with a cast list. We don't need a "characters" section when each character has their own article. The cast list is also easier to read.

Isn't that something I suggested, not 3 article headings ago? Talk:Neighbours#Character Bios Nonetheless at least it's been done now. --JD^talk_email 08:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Whats the deal with the spoilers - the new characters and "Natalie Bassingthwaighte (Isabelle Hoyland) (until September 2006)" - this shouldn't be on the main page or we need a spoiler warning. 220.239.107.82 09:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject

I want to start a Neighbours WikiProject; if one already exists then someone PLEASE tell me where... Anyway, yeah it's an attempt to improve the quality of Neighbours articles. I just want to know if other people think it's a good idea. I've already sorta got something on my user space, but it's pretty lame and empty at the moment. Anyway, so yeah people give me some feedback. --JD^talk_email 19:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Cast list

Please do not put years next to recurring cast members. The years displayed next to main cast members are simply the years that that actor has been on contract with the show (as opposed to recurring).

Neighbours Characters

Much as thought I agree it saves space, its a shame the characters were moved to seperate pages. Can they not all be on one page on a different page like the list of past characters if there isn't already??

There's no point; it would just increase the workload when there's a major change to any of the characters. Unless anybody thinks differently, that is. --JD^talk_email 12:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

No! a list of cast members, as opposed to a list of characters, looks more dignified.

Sitcom

The theme song makes the entire show look like a sitcom. What I mean is, you would've thought you were going to watch an Australian sitcom with that theme. That's all I'm saying. 71.111.232.40 12:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Gee, isn't a large componenet of the show comedy? Asa01 22:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No It is a SOAP - Drama, it is light hearted like many Soaps are. user:Fabiodrn

Fiona Corke (Gail)

Has it actually been confirmed that she will be staying on permanently? If not, she needs to stay under "Recurring cast members", not "Current cast members".Kogsquinge 00:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Character list in order of first appearance

Can anyone shed any light onto where the table whih listed all the characetrs currently in the show in order of first appearance as well as the episode number they first apepard in has gone? I felt this was one of the most useful and interesting parts of the artcile and used to regularly view the article just to see if this table had been updated at all..I've looked at a couple edits and cannot find it nor see why it might have been removed. Evil Eye 18:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I was going to put it back in before, I didn't think it should have gone either. I found it in a past revision, and put it back in, but it may be outdated, as I just took it from the first revision I found it in. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 18:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for finding it again. I'm not sure if it's up to date or not (as I use this site to keep up to date with the cast list. But I'm sure it'll be alterned if it's wrong. Evil Eye 10:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks terrible like that; and there's no real point in it being there the way it is at the moment. Can somebody make a new table with three columns, and have the cast members, year they started, and episode they started, in that; instead of the table that kinda repeats what's there? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 11:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The two things are completely different. One is an alphabetical list of actors who are in the show and gives their character names and years they've been on contract. The other is a table showing the order in which the current characters first appeared. It is this order of first appearance, which I believe is the important thing about the table, which makes the two bits separate entities. Evil Eye 12:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, right. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 12:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I moved the table to List of Neighbours characters. Kogsquinge 03:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler tags

What's peoples' opinions on spoiler tags, and their usage on this article? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 22:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

We don't need them. Anyone with half a brain would know that this information was related to the Australian airing of the show.Kogsquinge 02:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, but unfortunately, not everybody has half a brain, as can be seen by the different people that have tried to put spoiler tags on the article in the past (assuming that is more than one person...). —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 08:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You have a point, but U.S. soaps don't have spoiler warnings for other countries because it is produced there (see The Young and the Restless for example). Kogsquinge 05:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I'll put that spoiler tag I made up for deletion then. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 05:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

External Links

Why is the Manchester University Discussion forum an external link when it seems to have an esoteric user base and not very active? AStaralfur 17:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Robert Robinson comes from underneath his grave to try and kill Paul again but instead kills Cameron. Before Cameron went to bed Robert snuck into the Robinson household and planted a bomb in under Paul's woredrope.But fortunatly for Paul he was out that night and as Cameron was looking for some of his clothes the bomb blew up and killed Cameron. Thats not all as when Robert finds his body he buries it and gets out before Paul comes home and pretends to be Cameron.

Janet Andrewartha

Has her departure been confirmed? Where did this information come from? Kogsquinge 04:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

It was mentioned in the Sunday Herald Sun newspaper on 13/8/06, although in the gossip section... --Ninevah 22:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Ingo Dammer-Smith has just been added to the coming & going section. Is he definitely going too? We don't know that Lyn will leave and take Oscar with her - maybe she'll die and leave Oscar with Steph... Kogsquinge 05:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

As much as some people would do backflip over it, I don't see the writers kiling off Lyn. Maybe they'll do what they did with Ben shortly after Libby left, and have Oscar come back on Visits. Conquistador2k6 16:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

True. But until Ingo's departure has been confirmed I'll take him off the coming/going list. Kogsquinge 07:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Dolly

Shouldn't something about the Dolly thing be added to the article? _{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 19:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Kim=

How are they gonna bring him back, considering the fact that he'd be arrested on sight if he set foot back on Erinsborough after resisting arrest? Conquistador2k6

DVD?

No word on the 870 disc box set? --Commking 03:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC) My we are droll aren't we? Cls14 13:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Home and Away in See also section

I don't think Home and Away should be in the See also section because although it is another Australian soap, as pointed out by the person that reverted my edit, it is only related to Neighbours in one way, and that's Seven Network. Apart from that, the link is also eleswhere in the article, and the articles of other soaps (EastEnders and Coronation Street as examples) do not include other soaps produced in the same country in their See also sections. _{J Di}^talk 21:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Then maybe we should get rid of the "List of shows..." as well, because they are also promoting alot of other shows made in Australia.

I disagree with you about the promotion of other Australian television shows, but I do think the See also section should be removed, I don't see any need for it. The only other link in it that needs to be there is already further up in the article. jd || talk || 21:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

That's cool. BTW, I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying that they shouldn't promote other Australian shows, I was just saying that if you got rid of the Home you should also get rid of the "List of" link, because they are linking to other television shows like Neighbours. I tried to take it out but they did a revert on me.

Nah, I did understand what you meant, but there is a difference. Home and Away is one show, out of hundreds; but the link to the other page was of all shows made in Australia, without picking anything specific out. I still don't think it should be there, but only because I don't see the need. jd || talk || 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

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