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The 1212 purchase of rights to settle implies that the Negrito also had boats. How else could these peoples survive, genetically. There must have been some diversity in the gene pool.

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[edit] Not African?

IT is weird that people would say, Negritos have no connection to africans simply because they don't look like africans. According to biology, race is meaningless because race doesn't determine genetics; a person of one race isn't necessarily more closely related to members of its own race, than others. The idea of race is just a social concept. Negritos are supposed to be the pygmies in Asia, and Negrillos is what they called the pygies in Africa. Saying Negritos are not related to Africans would be like saying Americans are not relate to Europeans, because they are now breeding in a new area with a diffrent population. Negritos migrated from Africa just like other humans.

The funniest thing about this, is that anti-black sentiments take a nose dive on this topic. Black people obviously are regenerated in various genetic arenas. How is it that two very distant groups of people can look so similar? BEcause the human condition is not by default "white". When we take a white point of view, we try to explain how humans relate to it. Obviously the human point of view would explain how different people relate to the Black ancestors. - Zaph

So the pygmies, a nomadic tribe discovered south east asia before any european explorers? and they did it without any ships nor any knowledge of sea travel.....................LMAO!! Angryafghan 12:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
This page seems to be geared towards the negrito of the Philippines. It needs to have a more global view. I'm not an expert on the subject by any means, but, like the info I've added to the page, negritos lived in China as well. I found one online article that says Arab merchants came to china accompanied by negrito slaves. At some point, these negritos became involved in a type of literary prose that portrayed them as heroic. I've recently purchased a book on the connection between Africa and China. I'll probably add more info to the page later. (Ghostexorcist 01:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Mitochondrial DNA study on the origins of modern humankind

Well this caption is misleading as I don't learn anything about the contribution of Negrito's mtDNA in our understanding of the human race. Please expand this section! Thanks! Meursault2004 28 June 2005 20:57 (UTC)

[edit] Incoherent

Something went wrong with the paragraphs on mitochondrial DNA. They now give the misleading impression that there is something peculiar about the mDNA of Negritos. In particular the last sentence makes no sense:

"Thus the Negritos are treasured for this source of information about our origins, as the genetic drift of their their mtDNA is then a measure of the time which has elapsed from the generation of their common mother, to our own era."

What is "our own era"? Who is this "us" that apparently does not include the Negritos? Some term such as "this era" or just simply "today" would be better.

I believe what this means to say is that the genetic drift in Negrito mDNA can be used to measure the time that has elapsed between the lifetime of our common mother (the theoretical common mother of all humans) and now. I would edit the article so that it said this more clearly, but I am not at all sure that such a "mitochondrial Eve" theory is well enough established to be stated as fact.

Sergeirichard 06:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I reworked the paragraph, starting from the last sentence, which is now in subjunctive mood. Ancheta Wis 09:08, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Semang image

I regret your position on the the Semang statue in the Field Museum. These peoples need all the support they can get. A sympathetic rendering of them from whatever quarter is valuable. If you dislike the image, perhaps you can find a better, and post it. The Semang, the Aetas, the Andaman Islanders (who perhaps have a better chance for survival as a group) need public awareness for their personhood. What better way than images. Ancheta Wis 12:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio- passages excised

I have excised several passages which would appear to be in violation of copyright, as they are taken word-for-word from a site maintained by the Andaman Association - see here and here. The Andaman Association site states:

  • Text and figures of this book are ©1997-2005 The Andaman Association, Switzerland, unless otherwise stated. All rights are reserved.

The passages were first introduced by User:Karukera on 15 Nov 2003, in a series of edits starting with this one. Although subsequent editors have modified the text a little (such as changing "We believe" for "others believe"), the text is substantially the same. Karukera has not edited since Dec 2003: Special:Contributions/Karukera, and is unlikely to have anything to do with the source of the material. The article was in need of a good overhaul anyway...--cjllw | TALK 06:41, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Needs complete overhaul. For a start, this article should presumably discuss the anthropological term "negrito", which has been applied to various peoples, not just those in Philippines & Malaysia. Would need to also cover whether the term has validity in anthropological /racial classification sense, what the problems with this are, what specific evidence there is that these disparate groups have some genetic heritage in common, etc etc. The topic can also use a more sensitive and scientific analysis than is provided at present. I removed the EB1911 quote, this view is rather dated and at best warrants inclusion only in terms of demonstrating how perceptions have changed, rather than to put forward as an acceptable contemporary view of these peoples.--cjllw | TALK 01:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


Ok I think it has fufilled these requirements. If not, add them. The term "negrito" is described. The terms significance is that it reminds the readers that there are Black people in East Asia. Black people have a wide genetic heritage, so trying to relate or distance them from a West African or "true" Negro is meaningless. - Zaph

I restored the cleanup tag- the idea of these is to notify and hopefully attract other editors to pitch in and improve the article to at least some minimal standard of coverage. Since nothing had actually been added since the tag was first applied, I don't see how removing it will help.--cjllw | TALK 02:11, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Revisting African link

There is significant evidence that shows the negritos from Africa and Asia are of one negrito race. Half of the links here already claim it and most book and encyylodpedia or dictionarys state that the african negritos and asian negritos are all basically one race of negritos. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmac800 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 15 December 2005.

There is much speculation, but little hard evidence, that the various widely-dispersed peoples who have at various times been identified as "negritos" or "negritoid" may have some common (but distant) genetic heritage. I don't disagree that notable sources which entertain such claims should be presented here, however this needs to carefully done to reflect just what sort of connection is claimed, and what the evidence (such as it is) actually allows. For example, although I think George Weber from the Andamans site (whose material was previously plagiarised here) is a reasonable-enough thinker, he is not by his own admission an expert in the field. If you actually read through his extensive coverage on the topic, there have actually been very few genetic studies made, and there is certainly no linguistic or archaeological evidence which can tie these dispersed groups together. In the main it remains a hypothesis, which might well be true, but the evidence is mostly unavailable. A far more rigorous treatment on what it means to classify a group as "negrito" would also be required.--cjllw | TALK 02:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] not realted

take from some non-copy righted site

[quote]African Pygmies—the most numerous Pygmy population, estimated variously at 150,000 to 300,000—are believed to have lived in the Congo Valley before the arrival of other peoples. The best-known tribe, the Mbuti or Bambuti, are the shortest of all human groups, averaging about 130 cm (about 51 in) in height. Non-African Pygmy populations, often called Negritos, may also represent archaic populations. Blood typing and other studies indicate that the African, Asian, Oceanian, and Indian groups are genetically distinct from one another and have independent origins.[/quote]—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.220.52.101 (talk • contribs) 27 December 2005.

[edit] realted to African-Pygmy groups?

  • some scientist say that they are realted to them, but how can that be? African-Pygmies only live in central-Africa and especialy in congo very deep in the jungles, and they are extremly isolated. I doesn't make sens that they just sudenly decide to move to some islands on the other side of the globe. Pygmies of South-East Asia and Ociena must have evolved like that due to environmental conditions on their native islands.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.220.52.101 (talk • contribs) 28 December 2005.
  • And what evidence do you have that the African-Pygmies never traveled outside of Africa? There is plenty of physical evidence to proved that they did. Look at the color of skin, eyes, hair, nose and even cutoms, traditions, etc. By the way there are NO jungles in AFRICA. Forests and low grassy plains. [Nita June 20, 2006 1:14pm CST] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.22.199.86 (talk • contribs) 20 June 2006.
  • No jungles in Africa? Jungle simply means a densely overgrown tropical forest. Pygmies live in the most densly forested region in Africa – the central African rain forest. --Ezeu 07:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
no the pygmies of Africa did not discover east asia before any european explorers which is basically what you are saying, is it so hard to believe that there are more than one examples of insular dwarfism on the planet, each isolated group is an individual case and there are several in South east asia Angryafghan 12:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed last sentence

I removed the following sentences: "They do not have a permanent place to live in because of food shortage. It depends upon the place where they live, if it can still provide them enough food." Thees sentences formed a seperate paragraph unrelated to any previous or subsequent subject, and were grammatically incorrect. Additionally, it is unclear who "they" refers to, and the entire paragraph is vague, fragmentary, and generally unhelpful.

If this is a real concern, it should be explained lucidly and with regard to the different populations and areas involved.

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