Talk:Naval ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation
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[edit] Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation
There is no such rank in russian military as Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation. The highest deck rank is Admiral of the Fleet. See this talk page. --DimaY2K 15:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Podpraporshchik/Bootsman
There is no such ran as podpraporschik in russian military, look here: Talk:Russian military ranks#Podpraporshchik/Bootsman. --DimaY2K 16:06, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
There was and there is no "one star" Warrent Officer in Russian/Soviet Navy/Army/Air Force. - Dieter Buchholz from Germany - Ex-officer of Ex-GDR-NAVY - 26th December 2005 - info@schebecke.de
[edit] Image deletion
On the off-chance that somebody is paying attention here, please note that many of the images used on this page have no source or license info, and are being systematically deleted per policy. If you care at all, go tag all the images correctly (see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for a list); if nothing else, {{symbol}} seems plausible in lieu of a special tag for symbols of rank. Time is of the essence, the countdown towards image deletions is seven days usually. Stan 07:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- If this happens again, the correct tag is {{Military-Insignia}}. Valentinian (talk) 21:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Page protection
I was approached by a registered user about the recent edit warring. As neutral to this article, I feel the best course is to protect it against unregistered and anon ip users since apparently one (or several) editors are using multiple anon ip addresses to edit war and bypass the Wikipedia:Three Revert Rule -Husnock 17:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Color meaning
I noticed on the officer ranks Captain First Rank and below, there was a colored piping down the middle. Does any one know what this means?--Mtnerd 21:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
- Various colors indicate military speciality of an officer (line, aviator, medic etc.) just like Army's infantry officers have red stripes, but aviators and paratroopers have blue ones etc. I'm not able to provide the exact legend at this time though. --DmitryKo 06:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sleeve insignia for Midshipmen
I can't find any reference to sleeve insignia worn by Midshipmen or enlisted personnel. Provided that the images in question were uploaded by Roitr (talk · contribs · block log), they could as well be bogus... --DmitryKo 06:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation
Where in this article Fleet Admiral of the Russian Federation? This version is erroneous. Marshal of the Russian Federation Marshal of the Russian Federation is the highest rank for All-forces of the Russian Federation, but it is not highest rank only for all armed forces of the Russian Federation. Here http://www.mil.ru/articles/article3665.shtml the rank of Marshal of the Russian Federation is placed only in the ground forces column, but not in two columns. For this rank see http://www.uniforminsignia.net/index.php?p=show&id=123&sid=1498 , http://www.tridentmilitary.com/RUSSIANMILITARIA/russian-rank-chart.html , http://www.luther.ca/~dave7cnv/military/militare.html. It is a theoretical senior-most military rank of the modern Russian Navy. Fleet Admiral of the Russian Federation is not an active military rank in the presents time, and only exists in theory to be appointed if Russia ever became involved in a major war or national emergency. It is written in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation. Therefore we do not see it here: Federal Law "On military duty and military service". Current revision, http://wbase.duma.gov.ru/ntc/vdoc.asp?kl=4488 . In development of this rank has borrowed, as well as it is necessary, service of rear of the Russian Army and committee on heraldry between 1992-1994. Nothing prevents it from being introduced in the future, even at wartime, but in the presents time it simply just does not оfficially exist.
P.S By Presidential Decree of 27 Jan 1997. The rank of "Marshal of the Russian Federation" was eliminated (though those already awarded the rank are allowed to wear the Marshal’s single large star). General and Flag officers’ rank insignia were altered so that generals of the Army and admirals of the Fleet now wear four stars, Colonels-General three stars, Lieutenants-General two stars and Majors-General one star. (Krasnaya Zvezda 29 Jan 97 p 1). http://www.fas.org/irp/world/russia/fbis/Acronyms.html --Duduvak 19:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
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- The response is at Wikipedia_talk:Long term abuse/Roitr#Duduvak. --DmitryKo 15:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AFRF
Has the rank of Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation ever existed? Yes or no?
If it hasn't then it shouldn't be listed at all - with or without a statement to that effect. Saying it's 'hypothetical' is not good enough, even if there is official documentation to that effect. What ISN'T hypothetical? 'Grand Pooh-bah of the Russian Federation'? 'Supreme Commander of the Universe ... of the Russian Federation'? It isn't like the USN rank of Fleet Admiral, which DOES exist, though no one presently holds the rank.
The prior existence of AFSU and MRF is indication enough of the possibility of such a rank being called AFRF. But the fact is that Russia has no need of any such rank for the forseeable future. User:Chief of the Naval Stuff
- No, it doesn't exist (see Talk:Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Federation. The problem is that VFD for this article was carried out but it was decided to keep it, for whatever bizarre reasons, while similarily non-existant Chief Marshal Of The Air Force of the Russian Federation was speedy deleted... --Dmitry 21:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Red or yellow?
For people that are confused: yellow is navy, red is naval infantry, someone should specify that when this is no longer protected
[edit] U.S. Rank Equivalents?
I notice that the US equivalent ranks for the various grades of admirals does not correspond with the US equivalents for generals listed on the Russian army and airforce rank pages. If using the army equivalents as the basis, the naval equivalents should line up as:
| Russian deck (Navy) ranks | US equivalent |
| Admiral of the Fleet | Admiral |
| Admiral | Vice Admiral |
| Vice Admiral | Rear Admiral (upper half) |
| Counter Admiral | Rear Admiral (lower half) |
The US rank of Fleet Admiral is a wartime rank and should be the equivalent to Marshall of the Russian Federation, which doesn't have a Russian naval equivalent. What are other views on this? Nicholas F 18:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
