Template talk:National Anthems of Europe

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[edit] Thanks

Thanks to all who helped create this template. Badagnani 06:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Micronations

First, it's 'micronation', not 'microstate'; for example, San Marino is a microstate, whereas the Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands is a micronation. Of course, the name concern is secondary to actually including Micronations in the first place. Why is there a link to the 'national' anthem of Sealand? Micronations are hobbies, not countries, regions, or anything else worthy of inclusion in an important template of importance across the continent of Europe. Bastin 11:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Svalbard

To Badagnani: Are you referring to List of special entities recognized by international treaty or agreement, referred to in the beginning of the Svalbard article?

Is your source for claiming that Svalbard has its own national anthem (which happens to the same as the country its a part of) that Svalbard is included on that list?

After reading that list, can you explain why Svalbard is on it? Can you explain why Svalbard is "special" or "political" or what the connection between Svalbard and Hong Kong is or why in whole world, why are these four things special and nothing else? Can you explain why there are four entries on that page and not 3 or 5 or 500?

So far I not seen any proof of Svalbard having its own national anthem. Just a claim that Svalbard is "special". Are people just making up facts (very "original research") and putting them into Wikipedia? – Thomas Skogestad 08:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct. Svalbard is a special entity with some degree of autonomy, similar to other entities in Europe of this sort. Correct, Svalbard does not have a unique anthem, but uses the anthem of its parent nation. We have dozens of entities in all of the anthem templates like this. It's still of great interest and educational value to know this, for all of these entities, and they are of course labeled as such. Thank you for your interest. Badagnani 15:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

That is incorrect. Svalbard is a part of Norway and is no more autonomous than a county or a municipality. There is no "parent nation". Svalbard is a part of Norway. It does not have a national anthem any more than any other part of Norway would have a national anthem. Please stop adding Svalbard unless you are to produce a reliable source stating that Svalbard has its own national anthem. Thomas Skogestad 17:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

As the Wikipedia article states, it is a special entity within the nation of Norway. There are at least a few dozen such entities in other nations around the world, and we do include those in the templates, even if they use the anthem of the parent nation. Badagnani 22:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Please explain what a special entity is. And clearly there can't be a few dozen others as the "the Wikipedia article" clearly states that there is a maximum of four. – Thomas Skogestad 22:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I was referring, of course, to partially autonomous regions such as Catalonia, Scotland, and Tuva, as well as the four regions to which you are referring. I assume you know more than I about the special region of Svalbard as you appear to live there. All I know is what the Svalbard article states. Badagnani 00:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This is getting silly. The template has been reverted nineteen times, which clearly goes against the spirit of WP:3RR, even if it doesn't go against its literal meaning. Hopefully, you'll knock it off, maybe even get to discussing it properly, if someone else gets involved. Here's to hoping.

Whilst Svalbard is one of four 'special regions' with regards to international treaties, that does not change the position of its national anthem. The reason that other subnational territories (such as Catalonia and Scotland) have their own 'national anthems' listed is that they are used to indicate uniqueness and separation from their respective countries. Svalbard doesn't have a permanent non-Norwegian population, so it has no residing culture that is separate from Norway's, nor does it have a football team (for example) that would require a different anthem. The result is that Svalbard's national anthem is 'Ja, vi elsker', but only because it's Norway's anthem, not because of a more intrinsic and direct relationship of its 'own'. Bastin 10:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Svalbard is a special case here in that it differs from all the other territories on the list. Svalbard is an integral part of Norway, it has no indigenous people, noe culture separate from the Norwegian one and no aspirations of autonomy. Norway has full sovereignty over it by way of an international treaty. Local government is organised somewhat differently than other parts of Norway and if anything it enjoys a lesser degree of autonomy than other parts of Norway because the population is semi-settled. That is no-one really lives there permanently, they all have formal connections with mainland Norway. So it is not educational or informative to list Svalbard here because it gives the impression of a status that is non-existant. If you list Svalbard in this list you should also list every other Norwegian municipality and county.Inge 09:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)