Template talk:National Anthems of Asia

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[edit] Tuva

I don't think it should be included. It's currently part of the Russian Federation and not an independent state. -- Clevelander 21:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It is as much of a nation as Puerto Rico or Scotland, though those nations' foreign affairs are controlled by larger governments. We should be as inclusive as possible. Tuva has a distinct culture and has been considered a distinct nation and nationality for hundreds if not thousands of years. It was once independent but is now part of the Russian Federation and not independent largely due to its poverty. Like Scotland, it is autonomous in many regards. Badagnani 21:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but it is not recognized internationally as a seperate state. Scotland isn't either as it is internationally recognized as part of the United Kingdom. -- Clevelander 21:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I think I see the issue. On the Europe national anthem template, Scotland is listed. As it is internationally recognized as part of the United Kingdom, it should not be included. These templates really do need a lot of clean-up. -- Clevelander 22:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with you that nations such as Scotland or Tuva should not be listed in the templates. We are here to serve users, not prevent them from finding information. There are varying degrees of sovereignty, which you have already indicated for three micro-states in this template. Please try to think in a pluralistic way on this issue, in order to provide as much information to our users as possible. Thank you. Badagnani 22:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I would agree with you if Scotland and Tuva had national anthem pages, let alone national anthems. -- Clevelander 22:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't seem a good thing that you edit in favor of the various tiny Eastern European nations you seem to favor, but denigrate other nations' statehood and anthems, such as The Flower of Scotland or Tooruktug Dolgaï Tangdym. Badagnani 22:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for creating "regional anthems" subsection; this seems a good way to list these. Other regions can be evaluated in the future on a per-case basis (there are a lot of similar ones, as for example in Russia, like Mari, Kalmykh, Bashkiria, etc.). But the question could be whether it was historically considered a "nation," and whether many inhabitants today consider it that way. The U.S. states (except Hawaii) wouldn't qualify but places such as Scotland, Wales, or Basque Country or Catalonia, Spain would count as "nations within nations." Badagnani 19:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)