Talk:Nationalist Movement Party
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[edit] MHp and Kurds
MHP see all people in Turkey as Turk. So, all Kurdish speaking people are Turk according to MHP. If they were not Turk, they would not like them as nationalists; but they see them as Turk. Though, this idea is not correct; this is the view of MHP. We cannot claim that MHP is anti-Kurdish because they think Kurdish people are Turkish people and they are Turkish nationalists.Paparokan 17:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I read this website http://www.kurtulus-online.com/www/kurtulus200004/261.html.This reference is totally wrong. They say that MHP is also anti-Circussian. (I can understand Anti-Kurdishism, but Anti-Circussianism is totally silly!)
"At içinden Çerkezi gitsin Kafkasına"
MHP supported Cahar Dudayev against Russia for example. Many MHP members are ethnicially Circussian. Please do not use incorrect sources. This sentence does not belong to MHP! (There are some similar claims by Nihal Atsız, but there are not such claims by Turkes, for sure!) Paparokan 17:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- The thing is, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Otherwise, it would be considered original research unless you cite sources to contradict the quote. Khoikhoi 03:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
"The following quote partly illustrates the ideology of the part" , the source does not say Türkeş says it. Wikipedia article, is different from the originial source, bacause source does not indicate who makes this speech, but Wikipedia article say Türkeş said it. (If I don't make an English mistake!) Quote by WHO?Paparokan 14:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Comments
[edit] Disvusion
Another stupid article. These words are completely wrong. And the source is a non-objecttive site. alparsan Türkes said thousand of time Turks and Kurds are brothers and sisters. Ruzgar 23:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thare are better ways to improve articles than deleting [1][2][3][4][5][6] what you think is stupid. --Moby 11:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
"I want to kill Turks" These words belong to leader of Human Rights group in Turkey. Subjektiv claims by Human Rights organization cannot be published here. Ruzgar 11:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Please cite the quote. Your statement that Human Rights Organisations' words cannot be used here is incorrect. Enjoy your upcoming 3RR block. --Moby 11:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, funny seeing you here... "Disvusion" ??? --Moby 10:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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I want to know who is the "Human rights Experts in Turkey". You just write here unproved, lie theories. Ruzgar 11:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- I did not write any of this article, but I'll be sure to read and watch it now. --Moby 11:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
And i want to inform you MHP supporters never burn a Kurdish(!) flag. Because there is no kurdish flag. There a lot of federation, con-federation flags. And MHP never recognize federation or con-federation(truely there is no federation or confederetaion in Turkey), burning a flag means recagnizing a country or a group. This claim is completely lie. And I think pkk terrorist write that here. If anyone prove that event, i will never write in Wikipedia. Ruzgar 02:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, there is a Kurdish flag. I would encourage you to write for Wikipedia rather than delete that which you do not agree with. --Moby 08:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
This flag is the flag of Iraq Kurdistan. PKK has a lot of con-federation and federation flags but they usually dont use this flag. And I mentioned in above MHP supporters never burn a Kurdistan flag because they(Turkish goverment also) don't recognize any Kurdistan. Also they think origin of Kurds are Turks. This claim stay here for months and nobody could claim it. Then I remove it. Ruzgar 16:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:CITE
Human rights experts in Turkey make the organization responsible for more than 4,000 murders, primarily of Kurds, Turkish leftists, and progressive journalists and union leaders. One of their deadliest acts was the organisation of anti-Alevi pogrom in Kahramanmaraş in 1978 that left 111 people dead. Today, the Turkish army and special forces actively recruit MHP members to fight in special commando units in Turkey's war against PKK.
- Firstly "murder" isnt exactly a neutral word.
- Secondly what is the source of this information?
- Thirdly does turkish army referance have any basis? If so how is it relevant to human rights? Americans hire iraqis to fight against Al-Quaida in Iraq, that is not mentioned in Republican Party
I try to explain who these Human rights experts(!). They are protest Turkish army and police. They never protest Pkk and his terrorist actions. Even they kill babies and rape womans.
In 2005 a terrorist enter Turkish goverment's building with bomb, Turkish Intelligent Service had already reported the turkish police about that event. Turkish police warn him hunderds of times to dont detonate the bomb. But he have tried to detonate bomb but he can't(because of nervous)then he started to escape. 2 minutes later he tried again but Turkish Special Forces shot down him with sniper shot. And Human Rights Organisation blame Turkish police and said that this is an attack to human rights.
For these reasons the founder of Human Right Organisitaion Adalet Ağaoğlu retired from leadership. And she says H.R.O is become a pkk supporter, terrorist organisation. The sentences here but i cant translate them because my english level is not good.
"Terör artıyor, terörle birlikte IHD’nin tutumu daha bir tartışılır hale geldi. Orada neler yaşandığını biliyorum. En temel hak olan insanın yaşama hakkını korumak amacıyla kurduğumuz bir dernek, öldürülen insanlara sahip çıkmıyor. O zaman kimin insan haklarını savunuyoruz sorusu geliyor akla. PKK terörü karşısında tavır almayan insan hakları derneği olur mu?"
Ruzgar 03:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed with Cat out, that part needs a revision and a reference to Ruzgar [7](Turkish). Adalet Ağaoğlu said something like "Terror is increasing, due to this increase attitude of HRO on terror became disputed. I knew what is going on there. This organisation which we, as founders, intended to protect the most basic human right, survival, do not pay any attention to people killed. The question, whose right are we trying to protect, comes to mind then. Can anybody define a HRO that keeps silent for the terrorist attacks of PKK?"Ugur Olgun 21:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fascism
Regarding my last edit: mainstream call them fascist. this also list it as fascist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country_N-T so it's fascist as per Wikipedia standards. Towsonu2003 05:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
