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[edit] Citation Project

Citation is needed for the national or most popular sports of each country. So if you have a reliable source about the national or most popular sports of you country or any other country please add it. It would be greatly appreciated.

There would be no point of deleting the whole research, as it would take a huge amount of time for someone to find a source for each country. So if a person finds the source for his/her country would it make things easier. Eventually every country will have a source that proves the "claim" for the national/popular sport.

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[edit] Meaning of the word "country"

User:Huaiwei has spread enforcing his point of view to this article, that country = sovereign state and the word "national" is exclusive for sovereign states, by changing the way Hong Kong is presented [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. The following previous debates may also be relevant here: [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. — Instantnood 17:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

While terms like Country and Nation in their most technical and academic usage may not neccesarily be reserved for sovereign states, it is not without any need for clarification that the majority of users of the English language associate them with that usage. Indeed, that we do have some exceptions, such as the Constituent Countries of the United Kingdom, has resulted in the need for clarifications and sometimes even disputes in wikipedia. While this page lists England, Scotland and Wales seperately, doing the same thing in List of official languages by state has resulted in disputes [11] (see edits in early September). Others pages such as National dish lists them under the United Kingdom heading.
If we may refer to the wikipedia article Country, it includes (which I had to restore after User:Mais oui!, someone who insists that Wales be listed seperately, removed it earlier) mention of the fact that nationalism has a part to play in how people with political POV do utilise the term to symolise greater autonomy or independence. This precisely describes what Instantnood is doing. He insists on calling Hong Kong a country and threat it as one in wikipedia, while justifying his efforts by insisting the term country can include non-sovereign states. I would think his efforts need to be scrutinised with greater care.--Huaiwei 18:07, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
In fact it has been an unwritten yet well-established convention that "countries" means sovereign states and dependent territories. The subcategories of category:categories by country and the many lists by countries (lists with names of countries as sections) all across Wikipedia already reveals. Ordinary subnational entities and lands of stateless peoples demanding separate sovereign stat

[edit] Taiwan and the Republic of China

User:SchmuckyTheCat reverted the changes that I have made to change [[Taiwan]] as [[Republic of China|Taiwan (Republic of China)]] [12] [13] [14] [15]. Are we going to exclude the areas of the Republic of China which are not part of Taiwan, e.g. Quemoy and Matsu? — Instantnood 18:22, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

  • No, Taiwan is shorthand for the entirety of Taiwan. Which, it goes without saying but I will anyways, you know very well. SchmuckyTheCat 19:22, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    Well yes.. but this usage as a shorthand is not considered a neutral point of view, and has been rejected to be used on Wikipedia (as User:Jiang has illustrated). Wikipedia:naming conventions (categories), which is recently formulated and made official, has directed that the categories for the country should be titled "..of Republic of China". — Instantnood 20:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    And as I have stated, A blanket ban on the term Taiwan meaning the entire bunch of territory is not NPOV whatsoever. That's what the rest of the world does. That single sentence of the so-called NPOV of Naming Conventions (Chinese) violates NPOV itself as well as the naming conflict policy. It's also blatantly inconsistent as the NPOV section of NC:Chinese is so lazy that the same paragraph refers to Taiwan in the entirety sense as well. Sometimes you just have to use common sense instead. SchmuckyTheCat 21:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    This is an encyclopædia, which has to be accurate and objective. It's always right to say that Taiwan, the Pescadores, Quemoy, Matsu, Wuchiu, Taiping, Pratas, etc. comprises the present territory of effective control of the ROC. Quemoy, Matsu, etc. are not part of Taiwan, except the disputed usage of Taiwan is used. In fact there are good reasons to distinguish "Taiwan" with the ROC (well, ROC-administered territories to be accurate). The scope of history of Taiwan, Taiwanese cuisine and culture of Taiwan would be much clearer, that the Fukien and South China Sea islands of the ROC are not included. — Instantnood 23:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    No, it's goal is to be descriptive. A blanket ban on using the word is prescriptive and just plain contrary to the way the rest of the world uses it. Remember, disputes about a word are subjective criteria. Describe the controversy over the word on the page about the word. But a plain ban against using the word? No. SchmuckyTheCat 02:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
    What I had done is to link it to the country article of Republic of China, instead of Taiwan which is on the island. The display text is changed from Taiwan into Taiwan (Republic of China). The governing body is called Chinese Taipei Baseball Association in English, and 中華民國棒球協會 in Chinese (see Chinese Taipei to see the background of this term). — Instantnood 09:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Australia

Could someone please provide a source for the claims that there are "official" national sports in Australia. I find this highly doubtful, so I will change the wording until a source is provided. JPD 15:15, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I wish they could use different sports for the different states. It's nearly half and half for footy and rugby league. I mean cricket is loved by all states, but it's not really as popular as either of the football codes

Exactly, so perhaps put in brackets (summer) or (winter) indicating national sports played during Winter or Summer periods. Because summer sports (ie, cricket) are not played in winter and winter sports (ie, footy and rugby) are not played during summer. Generally because local players play cricket during summer and footy or rugby during winter. Marco 03:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Australian rules football is at least equal to cricket as Australia's national sport. Look at the metrics from 2004 ...

Australian rules football Participation - VIC: 210,297; WA: 81,122; SA: 67,194; NSW: 59,472; QLD: 57,687; TAS: 25,186; NT: 15,085; TOTAL: 516, 043 (source AFL) Australian Rules is the most popular spectator sport (source http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/e298cee24565c911ca256def007248ff?OpenDocument) Paid Attendance - AFL Premiership: 6,283,788 NAB Cup: 307,181 Other: 623703 TOTAL: 6,907,798 (source AFL) Television - 3.3 million #1 program sports category - AFL Grand Final, top 5 program (source OZTAM) Professional Teams - one in every state except Tasmania (Tasmanian Devils Football Club are in Victorian Football League). AFL clubs play rostered home games in every state and territory, attracting crowds in excess of 10,000 per match. Club competition - ever state and territory for almost 100 years. Representative - currently only at junior levels. Has had a history of senior interstate representative matches, professional representation ceased in 1990s.

Cricket VIC: 161,874; NSW: 148,074; QLD: 63,829; SA: 37,611; WA: 37,428; ACT: 5884; NT: 3000 TOTAL: 478,326 (source Cricket Australia) Paid Attendance - Tri-series 262,627 TOTAL: 942,000 (source ABS) Television - not in top 10 programs Professional Teams - one in every state Club competition - ever state and territory for almost 100 years. Representative - regular senior representation at state and international level.

Plus, Australian rules football is growing more rapidly than cricket in Australia, especially in two of the top three most populous states. Tennis also stakes a good claim, with attendances that are similar to cricket. Soccer is strong at junior level, and rugby league/union are strong at senior level, but none even hold a candle to Australian rules at senior level.

Unfortunately for "Aussie Rules", a vocal minority of rugby and soccer supporters tend to regularly dispute the sport's claim to being truly national. --Spewmaster 00:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scope of article

If the article truly is about "National pastime", then it should not include a list of the 3,5 or 9 most popular sports in a particular country. Only those with some claim to be the "national pastime" should be included. This may be based on participation, media coverage, government funding, cultural associations, official designation; different sports may qualify under different criteria. But a sport which in some country comes second in all these criteria but first in none of them can in no sense be considered a "National pastime" and should not be listed, unless the name of the article is changed. (Possibly any sport in which a country is the world-leading exponent, or which was invented there, might be included; but I think a separate page would better provide such information.) Joestynes 15:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree with the above concerns, although naturally, we are left wondering just what constitutes a "national pastime". Are there definitive third party texts on this to rely on, before this article again reads like a work of original assumptions?--Huaiwei 12:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Move request

I was expecting this to be about the role of baseball in American culture. In order realise what this article is about without opening it you have to know about the American usage of the term (otherwise the national pastimes involved could be reading, sex or drinking coffee etc etc etc). If it is renamed "National sport" it will only be necessary to understand the meaning of those two common English words. Perhaps there should be a "National pastime" article, devoted to baseball, as well, linked through a disambiguation page, but this is not that article.

Makes sense. —Nightstallion (?) 11:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Huaiwei sux

User:Huaiwei Sux because of his really long topic of nothingness. Dude, give it up. You are a loser. A LOSER!

  User: Dark Knight

--216.63.217.206 18:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] constructive critisisum

I dont like this article because Lacrosse should be licted as one of Americas national sports not just its growimg in popularity

Whoever wrote that is a queer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.84.51.108 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 23 May 2006.

[edit] Cricket and Ireland

Is cricket really that popular in Ireland to warrent mention. I would imagine Golf or Tennis would have far more players in Ireland than Cricket. --Richy 01:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

In the intro to this page, it is claimed that sumo wrestling is the national sport of Japan, yet the map lists baseball as the national sport. And actually, the map says it lists the most popular sports and if that is the case than the map is incorrect; baseball is second in popularity to American football.

more contrdictions: Belgium Estonia...

[edit] Auto racing and USA

The article states that "American football and Stock car racing may also lay legitimate claim to being the country's most popular sport." What "legitimate" claim might stock car racing also have? American football has consistently outpolled baseball by a 2-to-1 margin since the 1980s and is approaching a 3-to-1 margin in recent years. (see [16] for Harris Poll statistics giving 33% for pro football + an ADDITIONAL 13% for college football vs. 14% for baseball and 11% for NASCAR)

Stock car racing's only claim to "most popular" seems to be that NASCAR has some events that draw 300,000. American football on the other hand has several games going on at the same time which, at the major college and pro levels (not even considering high school or small college levels), many of which draw between 70,000 and 100,000+. Aggregated, these would dwarf NASCAR's single event for a single weekend.

Berserkr731 07:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National sport for each country

Is this section really neccessary? If yes, then it needs serious work and not just in terms of layout. It fails to distinguish between what is considered a national sport and what is nationally popular.

PS: Should we rename "football" as "soccer" or "association football"? This is the English wikipedia and the majority of native English speakers do not use "football" for Association football. (Too much of a hassle?)- Htra0497 28 August 2006 05:15 (AET)

Regarding the postscript, please see these debates -- Alias Flood 03:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Ive updated the layout as it was a bit of a mess. I also updated the population figures that were there because they were incorrect. In terms of assigning a country to a sport, I used what was already in use on this page. --Horatiohornblower 11:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

China is down for both Basketball and Table Tennis, no other country is mentioned twice! I realise that many countries have several major sports, and therefore this list is flawed (Though I am in favour of keeping it). But if we let countries have multiple entries on this section it would lead to chaos with people leveraging for their favourite sport to get a bigger population count. So someone with more knowledge of China than me, which is it? Basketball, table tennis or football. If we can't agree then maybe the 'official' national sport (if there is one) should go in. --User:Shane 1 11:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way I am not sure but I have heard that Englands nstional sport is cricket even though foot ball is more popular.

[edit] National sport for each country, Those under a million

I presume for ease of compilation only countries over a million are listed. Any reason why we can't also list the smaller countries now? Sure it might take a while, but what wikipedia article isn't a work in progress? To stop the list getting too lengthy I would support only listing independant countries not dependancies though. I will admit to a slight bias, I like Rugby and several of the countries where it is a national sport are small islands that are under the 1 million level. It seems unfair to miss them out when some of the countries listed here are not even fully independant. 27 September 2006

[edit] Lacrosse

It is agreed that Lacrosse isn't as popular as ice hockey in Canada so it should be on the list "Countries By National Sport". Because if you repeat countries then alot of sports would have countries that are in two lists. example New Zealand would be on cricket and rugby union and Zimbabwe would be on soccer and cricket and things keep getting complicated so lacrosse shouldn't be on there Thugchildz 21:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australia, again

Cricket is the most dominant national sport of Australia as far as being popular in all areas goes. Australia rules football and rugby league are popular in the southern and northern states respectively, but they don't have the overall nation-wide support that cricket has. -- Chuq 03:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually I think netball is the most popular sport played in Australia, followed by footy, soccer, rugby, cricket, etc. There was a survey done on this at some point this year with this order. In terms of money footy comes on top, then rugby, cricket, etc. Cricket is the dominate summer sport (approx. for 5 months), whilst footy and rugby are dominate winter sports (approx. 7 months). -- Marco 04:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
It is either cricket, soccer or netball. Footy is more popular than rules in the northern states but less popular in Victoria and others, so it would be a bit hard to say footy. If we are not talking national, or it is allowable to divide states, than it would be football in NSW & QLD and rules in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania. Hope that helps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.10.116.71 (talk) 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Well it has to go by what is popular in most of the states which is agreed is cricket but as different codes of football is also popular in different states it is mentioned up thereThugchildz

Aussie rules is australias national game in winter. It was created in Australia for Australians, and has over 150 years of immense support. It is linked into our culture permanetly. Rugby of both codes barely mentions in states/territorys other than NSW and QLD. Soccer is only new on the scene, and is only slightly popular in small areas of Australia. They only recently got a national league, 20 years after AFL established the first truly national one in Australia. Soccer has long been despised in Australia ("wogball") and a couple of years of success does not mean it is a national sport. 59.100.127.74 04:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

On the map, Table Tennis is listed as China's most popular sport, but on the tables at the bottom, football is China's most popular sport. What's up with that. м info 21:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

mistake fixing it now.Thugchildz

[edit] West Indies

The national sport of West Indies is Cricket,not football.But why West Indies is green? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.229.42.185 (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Well, The West Indies are made up of at least half a dozen independant states. At the moment some are green and some are yellow. (remember Guyana in mainland South America counts as the 'West Indies' when it comes to Cricket) Given that football is very popular in the Windies as well that seems fair. Shane1

yeah but its not as popular as cricket there but if anyone wants to update the picture they can.--Thugchildz 01:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maldives

The map needs to show that the Maldives' national sport is soccer. 66.72.198.255 21:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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