Talk:National emblem

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Is "a national emblem" and "national symbols" the same thing ? A country can have its National Animal, National Flower, National Plant, etc. Is everything to be clubbed as a national emblem ? Thats what I have noticed here as all these individual symbols have been redirected to this page. The basic question is : can a country have more than one national emblem ? The article shows three emblems for Chile. Jay

National symbol was redirecting to this article although there was an article available for National symbols. Hence I have removed the redirect. Jay 11:30, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

below two discussions moved from User talk:Olivier

Hi Olivier, you've made redirects for national flower, national tree, etc. So you can answer the first question at Talk:National emblem. Jay 12:27, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I am afraid that I cannot help you much in this quite technical question. I made the redirect because I thought that "national flower" was close enough to "national emblem" to justify the redirect, rather than having no link at all. Also the "national emblem" article already had a list of plants, animals..., not started by myself, when I made the redirect. Bottom line, I did it because I thought it was helpful. If I was wrong, please feel free to modify it. olivier 14:30, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The following are not countries. So is it appropriate to have their entries in the article ? Soviet Union, England, Scotland, Wales. Jay 05:55, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

See Country; country is not synonymous with state. --Jiang

Thanx Jiang, I didn't know the intricacies of it. So England in the UK is a country and a nation but not a state. And Maryland in the US is a state but not a country or a nation !
What about the entry for Soviet Union in the article? It's not a nation. Or do we keep it for nostalgia's sake. Jay 09:14, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

There is difference between state and State (w/ a capital S). The terminology may have something to with the sovereignty retained by the colonies after they declared independence and formed a confederation (dont take my word on this). The Treaty of Paris: "His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states".

I think we are listing these entries as countries rather than nations by the strict definition. Nostalgia? Perhaps not. --Jiang

The article now says that the symbol of Wales is a dragon, but I thought it was a wyvern. -- Dominus 14:07, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. I've always heard it described as a dragon, besides which, wyvern says a wyvern has only 2 legs - the creature in the Welsh flag has 4... Evercat 14:09, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, my memory was at fault. Dragon is correct.

[edit] Columbia

I don't think "Columbia" needs to be listed as a symbol (person) of the United States. That's a very obscure symbol that is almost never used nowadays. I seriously doubt that a majority of Americans know who "Columbia" is (whereas everyone knows "Uncle Sam").

I think Columbia may be taged as unofficial, just like other national symbols. --Tonyjeff 11:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catalonia

Should Catalonia be on this page? I realize that this is a page on national emblems, however can Catalonia be considered a nation? It appears that it is just a territory of Spain. -Zer0fighta 21:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

A 'nation' doesn't have to be a nation-state to be a nation. Joffeloff 19:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brazil

The Brazil embassy says Brasil's national flower is Tecoma chrysostricha, but I suspect they got the latin name wrong. Maybe someone with know-how in Biology should look into that matter or cross-check with other encyclopedias.

Brazil nation tree is the Tabebuia alba (Ipê amarelo), and its flower, the Tabebuia alba flower, the national flower. The problem is that Ipê amarelo may refer to a numerous of different trees, apparently similars. It may cause some confusion. --Tonyjeff 23:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think the entries under "inanimate objects" and "Nationalized, stylized icons (patriotic)" should be merged into a single column, as, as far as I can tell there is no meaningful distinction between the two. All national symbols are by definition patriotic icons, so I see no need to segregate the two. It seems very arbitrary. J.J. 19:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

"Inanimate objects" lists real objects, like mountains, constelations and so, while "stylized icons" refers to symbols designed for an especific objective. Both are about patriotic (national) symbols, but of different natures. --Tonyjeff 22:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official / unofficial

I think that initially this article intended to list only the official national symbols, but gradually many others unofficial ones started to come up. I think it would be better to tag the official ones (as official) instead of the unofficial, since there may be more unofficial than official symbols. --Tonyjeff 11:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] China's national flower

Why is it so difficult? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.214.17.5 (talk) 23:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Italy's unofficial symbols

Excuse me, I'm Italian and in this article I can see that the tower of Pisa, the Colosseum and the Gondola are considered unofficial symbols of Italy. I think it's wrong because the tower of Pisa is the symbol of Pisa, the Colosseum of the ancient Rome and the Gondola of Venice. Course everyone thinks at them as an important part of Italy's art and culture, but not as national symbols; otherwise it may sound a little bit stereotypical. Thanks and sorry for my bad english. --Duvilar 16:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

-*crisza tagalog*-

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