Talk:National People's Liberation Army (Greece)

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[edit] Did this come out of a Soviet-era Pravda article?

"Amateur actors and musicians creating travelling theaters and bands"? Ha, ha, ha! Seems like ELAS was building a veritable socialist paradise in the areas it occupied ; not unlike the civilizing policies of Pol Pot, eh?

More mentions of ELAS's numerous and systematic atrocities against non-communist citizens, and less mentions of the official party fables, would go a long way in balancing this entry. Porfyrios 15:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The article could also use cleanup with special attention paid to the Wikipedia Manual of Style and English grammar and syntax. The additions are not only unsourced, but they are written in a conversational style which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. --Jpbrenna 15:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I am working on a cleanup along the lines you have suggested, and I am looking for sources to help confirm (or otherwise) some of the unsourced additions. I have started with the section on the Gorgopotamos bridge. Nagebenfro 18:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Beyond the atrocities commited, it is true that EAM's cultural sector (Yannis Ritsos among others worked for it) was functioning in Athens and the countryside offering to peasants access to cultural goods they couldn't enjoy before. Asmodaios

Frankly this article is a load of red flag waving c**p. Greece would have been unique in being the only country in the world to democratically elect a communist government were it not for ELAS's constant war crime commited against the Greek people. The article makes no mention of the fact that on several occassions ELAS actually fought alongside SS soldiers against the royalist greek resistance. Equally the claims that ELAS controlled areas had plenty of food flies in the face of 2 million Greeks who starved to death during the Greek Civil War.

Could you please indicate the source of your information about co-operation between ELAS and SS (that weren't acting in Greece!) or any Nazi forces against other rezistance groups? Moreover there weren't 2 million dead in Greece during WWII (475.000 died) and i've heard nothing of dead people due to hunger in ELAS controlled areas.

The royalists didn't even have a resistance. The king, who was of GERMAN ORIGIN, had fled the country with the rest of the politicians to...Syria!! So much patriots they were. More than 85% of Greeks fought with ELAS and there is nothing these NAZI collaborators can do to change the real history. The rest of the resistance groups were small even though they were PAYING people to have them enter in their groups as they were funded by the British. But we Greeks rejected them as we are patriots not British mercenaries.unsigned

And you get to speak on behalf of all Greeks... on what basis? The royalists you so villify fought against Nazis within the Greek army when the Axis troops were invading Greece. They continued fighting against the Germans while exiled in North Africa, embedded in the allied armed forces there in (ever heard of the Rimini brigade? El Alamein battle?) Which is more than can be said about the traitorous communists, asking at those crucial times of Greeks to throw down their weapons and stop fighting the "imperialist war"! Only when the Nazis subsequently attacked mother-Russia (violating the Stalin-Hitler pact) did those traitorous communists decide to participate in resistance against the Nazis! So much for the Stalinist Left's "patriotic" inclinations. And even then, they spent more time attacking democratic, non-communist resistance forces, such as EDES and EKKA, rather than fighting the German occupator. As for the imaginary "85" percentage, it's pulled out of your head like most everything else you wrote. Strange how the Communist Party of Greece will only get about 5,5 to 6% of the popular vote in elections, if we were to believe that almost all Greeks had been affiliated with it in that crucial era. But that's Stalinist flat-earther fantasy for you.

You are completely out of touch with the Greek reality. First of all it was not the ROYALISTS the one's who initially fought the Axis troops when they invaded but the GREEK ARMY. During the invasion, Greece was a fascist dictatorship run by Metaxas. As a result all Greek Communists & Democrats languished in prisons. Despite this fact, the chairman of the Communist Party, Zahariadis who was also imprisoned, asked for the release of all the political prisoners so that they can fight the invaders and that every Greek should meet his patriotic duty to defend our country. Of course the then Greek Fascist regime refused to release them and handed them to the NAZIs. And indeed, the GREEK troops, not the royalist troops as you claim, did fought in El Alamein and Rimini. Not in Greece though. So I don't understand what this has to do with the GREEK resistance. We both know that EDES and EKKA had nonsignificant support among the Greek population. Both ELAS and EDES had clashes with each other during the resistance, as both wanted to be in a leading position after the liberation of Greece. The royalists and the rest of the Greek politicians left our people for sun baths in the Middle East while the Greek people were suffering the hardships of war. ELAS did the main resistance against the fascists and neither you nor anyone else can do anything to change this fact. Live with it.

Dimitrios Psarros was murdered by a soldier of ELAS, who was shoot by Velouchiotis because of his unacceptable behaviour. There wasn't ELAS who collaborated with Germans, mister lier. EDES has been collaborated with Germans and British and they exist documents. The only thing for EDES was how the ELAS could be stopped. Sarafis agreed to join ELAS not by force, as he says in his book "ELAS". Today, KKE takes 6% for other reasons mister. In 1968 and 1991, as you know KKE has passed two splittings. A great number of people who sympathised ELAS and KKE were murdered, imprisoned and exiled, As a result they feeled fear to join again KKE. PASOK also, with lies such as: "Americans go home", "Socialism", "Change", took the votes of lot of partisans of ELAS and KKE. TELL THE TRUTH FOR A TIME! The atrocities of ELAS: he killed the fascists in Meligalas, he fought the Germans when Zervas drunk wine with British, he fought British when they came to impose their occupation in Greece. I am wrong; Zervas became minister during the Civil War. KKE had made efforts to create resistance groups months before the invasion of Axis to Soviet Union. As you know the "stalinist" Zachariadis wrote a letter the 28 October 1940 in which he said to greek people to fight with all his force agaionst the Axis. Stalin's atrocities is the only argument for you to tell lies about greek and world history. Read the book of Ludo Martens: "Another view in Stalin". ELAS WAS THE ONLY TRUTH AND HONEST RESISTANCE GROUP DURING THE OCCUPATION. ELAS HELPED THE GREEK PEOPLE DURING THE GRAND STARVATION OF 1941-1942. (ALL THE GREEK DEAD DURING THE WORLD WAR 2 WERE 1 MILLION, BUT THE LIERS SAY ALWAYS LIES). The anti-stalinists (trotskyists, archeio-marxists) when Civil War finished, they congratulated the grek government about the defeat of communists. Great communists! TELL THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH!!!!!!!

To everyone except maybe a couple of people in the beginning of this discussion: If you don't plan to actually discuss stay away of the discussion! Most of the facts that all of you describe weren't even used as propaganda from the party you support, so far they are from truth.Constantinos7 05:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This is the truth Constantinos! The only thing that you have to do is to read some true books...

[edit] Rename article

As per this discussion, based on WP:NAME and WP:UE, I suggest renaming the article to either "Greek National People's Liberation Army" or "National People's Liberation Army (Greece)", preferring the latter. The same procedure is suggested for the relevant articles on EAM, EDES and EKKA. If you have contributed to this or the above articles, please state your view. Regards, Cplakidas 18:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As five days have passed without objections or comments, I am proceeding with renaming these articles. Regards, Cplakidas 13:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)