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Contents 1 birth date 2 Wikify 3 descent 4 Image removal 5 Kinski Biography? 6 Snake poster 7 Filmography in wrong order?

[edit] birth date

the birth year given here (1959) is the same as in imdb, but I doubt it. I also found it on the web as 1960, and 1961. I strongly remember when "Reifezeugnis" debuted on TV in 1977, Kinskis status as a minor was prominently mentioned (she was one of three well known (in Germany) second generation actors in the film). MSN Focus (in german) and www.djfl.de give 1960, www.film-und-literatur.de gives 1961, as does zelluloid.de .

So - is there an independent source for this birthday claim ?

Hmm - I just saw German Wikipedia also gives 1961, while noting the differing sources. So I changed the article accordingly.

84.176.198.67's and Hotwine8's presumption is right: The IMDb laid a false trail concerning Nastassja Kinski's year of birth. The internet confusion about her correct date of birth is tremendous and amazing. I wrote an extensive contribution about this item in the German Wikipedia. In 1995 the German cineast Hans-Michael Bock published his substantial encyclopaedia of international film actors ^[1]. He researched minutiously all informations. Bock specifies January 24, 1961 as date of birth of "la belle actrice allemande" ^[2]. The biggest German encyclopaedia Brockhaus shares his view for a long time. By the way: the IMDB's date of birth of her actor cousin Lara Naszinsky is also wrong. Nota bene: IMDb is not omniscient. --Bogart99 13:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I always knew date of birth was 1961 (cannot the remember the sources, but at least two), and when jumped here I was surprised to see 1959. I definitely vote for 1961.

Hi Attilios, from 1964 till 1969 Klaus Kinski was a neigbour of yours. He lived in a mansion at the Via Appia and in the middle of the 1960s his then wife Ruth Brigitte Tocki shared his Roman years together with him and the common daughter, little Nastassja Aglaia. Since the early 1980s her cousin Lara Naszinsky works in Rome quite often, under the pseudonym Lara Lamberti. --Bogart99 16:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Once again: January 24, 1961 is definitely correct. The Internationales Biographisches Archiv reports on december 3, 2005 (issue 48/2005) this date as Nastassja Kinski's date of birth. The International Biographical Archive is part of the Munzinger Archive which is the most reliable source for German journalists since 1913. Whoever invented 1959 in the IMDb, he or she created a vast confusion in the internet because a lot of frouzy people copied this date for their poorly researched pages. --Bogart99 15:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

You are all wrong -- I posted the 1959 year of birth at IMDb for Nastassja Kinski for the very simple reason that I know it is correct. I used to work for the U.S. Immigration & Naturalization Service and like most of its employees I did look up the odd celebrity or such here and there (more than most pbly) -- the year IS 1959!!! As far as IMDb not being omniscient this is absolutely true and I am worshipping no false idols here!! 216.194.4.43 09:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Robert! I didn't know you worked for the INS. - Ali-oops^✍ 09:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

1959 is definetely wrong and 1961 is correct. The anonymous IMDb-postman and former INS employee (?) falls for a deliberate lie. It's quite likey that Nastassja Kinski misstated her age when she came as underage girl to New York. Remember, she was a 16 years old teenager and she had a 44 years old lover, Mr. Polanski. Scandalous in the Puritan America (but ordinary in France). There's another point, Mr. INS postman: there is no registration law in US right now which is as strict as in Prussia for 300 years, not even since September 11. If you would invest 11,76 Euro (14 $) - as I did - you could profit from this strict Prussian registration law. The Berlin authorities have a copy of her birth certificate. The registry office doesn't give you this document of course but it tells you the date of birth (for a fee)! By the way, you could also address yourself to the Munich authorities, where she lived until she moved to NY. But I fear, this is wasted money. There are two German sources which are more reliable than informations by German actors themselves: The oldest and biggest German encyclopaedia (Brockhaus) and the oldest German press information service (Munzinger). As long as the Berlin or the Munich registry office doesn't communicate to you another version - which is quite impossible because it's not their custom to lie - 1961 is fixed. So don't damage Wikipedia again (we can't prevent you from damaging IMDb) --Bogart99 14:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Sir or Madam (Bogart99), I am not going to argue with you. When one applies for a visa one must provide accurate information or face penalties form the State Department. I know of no woman who would make herself older than she is (especially an actress!!), and I know that a birth certificate must be provided for a green card to be issued unless the person is some sort of third world asylee or refugee without access to the documents, and I assure you she did not enter the U.S. as a refugee or asylee.

It is really not worth the trouble to bother changing it back, but as far as I am concerned she was born in 1959. As far as "Puritan" USA, while I have my issues with that sort, I would rather be in America than in venal, treacherous France or World Wars starting, genocidal Germany or Nazi papist Bavaria/Austria. 216.194.4.2 07:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

This malicious tirade by 216.194.4.2/216.194.4.43 resp. his sockpuppets Stapletonian and Rms125a@hotmail.com disqualifies itself. He (Robert?) seems to be a quite notorious troll. --Bogart99 09:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I wonder whether the film companies she has worked for have colluded in the mis-information about her age? If she was born in 1961 that makes her 15 when she did the nude scene in the Hammer Horror film 'To the Devil a Daughter' (available uncut on DVD in the UK). If the 1961 date was established that might mean law suits all around for the company distributing the videos. It might therefore suit the industry money-men to collude in the 1959 date. Wasn't there a similar case about the famous American porn actress Tracy Lords who was later found to have lied about her age, resulting in zillions of tons of celluiloid having to be destroyed and lots of money going up in smoke cos she was under-age in her films? Colin4C 18:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you're on the right track, Colin4C, although I wouldn't compare Nastassja Kinski with Traci Lords. In the late 70s a certain Lolita addiction came into vogue again (after the late 50s): Jodie Foster, Brooke Shields, Isabelle Adjani and Nastassja Kinski were casted for precocious roles. --Bogart99 10:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikify

Would be great if there are other sources to quote to back up claims that 'she was one of the great beauties of the 1980s and 1990s'. I adore her work but for Wiki purposes we have to be able to give confidence to neutral readers that we have facts to back up assertions, especially subjective and dramatic ones. Likewise 'had Hollywood at her feet, but her potential as an actress was often compromised by her defiant personality.' does not suit an encyclopaedia. The reference to Demi Moore is too trivial. The references to relationships which were not age-appropriate are prurient without further context. Otherwise this piece presents Kinski as some trite and possibly wounded personage from some time ago. She has a serious body of work and the page as it stands is almost salacious instead. thegirlinwhite 21:42, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Vulturell. I am going to be bold and remove the reference to her alleged relationships with older men. thegirlinwhite 20:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Way to go.Vulturell 20:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] descent

>>is a German-born actress of Polish descent<< its wrong, her father was born in Pommern, but it belongs to germany at that time! so no Polish descent

I changed that line to simply German actress. Her father was half Polish but he spent his adult life in Germany and is generally identified as a German actor. She herself would only be a quarter Polish and never spent any of her life in Poland. She is of largely German descent and speaks German as her mother language. There is no justification for identifying her as a German-born actress of Polish descent.--Nikostar 01:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Not even her father Klaus Kinski was "half Polish". His parents were native German citizens at the beginning of the 20th century. When Klaus Kinski was born in 1926 his place of birth, the glamourous Baltic Sea spa Sopot/Zoppot, had been incororated into Danzig for 7 years. The Free City of Danzig had a very strange status concerning international law as a result of World War I. Since 1919 Danzig was a kind of ward of the League of Nations. It neither was German nor Polish. Nobody described this chaotic and creative climate better than Kinski's famous fellow citizen Günther Grass, inventing the erotomanic tin-drumming spiteful little devil Oskar Matzerath. When the 280-mm cannons of the ship of the line Schleswig-Holstein raked the Westerplatte in the early morning hours of September 1, 1939, the other erotomanic dwarf, evil little Klaus Kinski, painted the Reichshauptstadt Berlin red for almost 9 years, in contrast to Günther Grass who witnessed how 51 officials of the Polish Post Office in the middle of Danzig town - equipped with pistols and light weapons - staunchly defended themselves for 14 hours against German SA and SS men on the first day of World War II. The Free State of Danzig perished this very day. The one child had to write world literature afterwards and the other one had to become a world star as an actor. And both had to become very evil boys, all their lives. --Bogart99 15:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image removal

WP:FU is really explicit. A fair use magazine cover can not be used to illustrate generally the article on the person shown on it. If you add back the cover in violation of policy I will need to note this on the copyright problem notice board. The editor formerly known as Harmonica Wolfowitz 00:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I would take your arguments more seriously if I didn't know that you are a sockpuppet of the notorious User:Ste4k, who was supposedly banned indefinately for trying to trash the wikipedia project. Colin4C 10:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kinski Biography?

Just wondering whether there has ever been a published biography of Nastassja Kinski, or whether there is information on her to be gleaned from biographies of other people (Klaus Kinski, Polanski ect)? Otherwise all we have is magazine articles and interviews...and the dubious stuff which is forever recycled on the web...Colin4C 20:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snake poster

Should be something on the famous snake poster -- that's how millions of U.S. college students in the 80's who were not foreign film buffs would have heard of her... AnonMoos 15:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It was there, but I've added a bit to the reference to highlight it. SteveHopson 16:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately this article has been plagued by officious persons (at least one of whom was a sockpuppet of a banned editor) who take it upon themselves to remove pictures of Nastassja - including the snake one...Colin4C 23:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filmography in wrong order?

Surely most pages list most recent films at top, and older further down? --leopheard 13:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

What's the sense of that???Colin4C 14:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The sense of that is so that things are created as a uniform standard, rather than being all over the place. Surely you could work that one out --leopheard 12:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

So doing things backwards is standard? What sort of Alice in Wonderland World do you live in??? Colin4C 14:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

BOOYEAH Natascha_McElhone - Ian_Abercrombie I'm sure there are loads of other examples --leopheard 13:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia goes from oldest to newest. By the way, thanks for finding those articles that needed to be tagged. --PhantomS 13:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

But that's SO uncool Phantom. I think we should all follow Leopard Head's example and get one of those clocks with hands that go backwards and then watch the anguished expression on our friends faces as they realize they are not in tune with the contemporary Zeitgeist...Colin4C 18:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Way to go Wikipedia geeks! "Let's gang up and tell that N00B he doesn't know the first thing about the internet and to get lost!" I didn't raise this query initally to cause trouble or to be a smartarse, but purely because all the filmographies I could remember seeing in the past were in that order. Simple as that. Don't get so offended over your precious Wikipedia existence like it is the only mark you can make upon the world! --leopheard 16:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)