Talk:Narmer

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Shouldn't the Serket link go to the King Scorpion instead of the goddess?

Opps, before looking at the history, I re-hyperlinked Serket...should I change it back? Sorry about that...message me if you want me to change it back.--ViolinGirl^♪ 14:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I changed it. Srdjan Vesic 16:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Menes

This is a name in the king list that is impossible to identify from epigraphical evidence. I think we should stick to history in succession boxes and such, and leave legends to a separate discussion. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Now that I see your cite, I think some adjustment is necessary. I have Hoffman in front of me. He describes the objects not as ostraca but as ebony labels (pp. 295-298; there are large drawings on pp 296-297 and not much room for text) and also mentions on p. 298 some jar sealings found by Petrie, also at Abydos, that "associate" m'n with Narmer. (He gives the cite in Petrie. He does not expand on "associate", unfortunately.) So there seems to be evidence pointing in both directions. TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

There's an ivory label as well, I'm just familiar with at least one argued ostricon. Actually, I think the object I referenced was the label, so you're right there. Thanatosimii 21:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, gardiner explains the association. Reading from right to left, at the top of the label, there is a vertical cartouche shaped object (although not a cartouche) containing the Nebty Symbol and then Mn. Following this is the name Hor-Aha. The nebty name didn't exist this early, however, and the nebty symbols were used to indicate the kings personal name. However, the nebty symbols always have to be facing towards the horus name, or so says gardiner, and here they are facing away, so it is believed that this king Mn must be different from Hor-Aha, and the label is ceremonial to indicate that Hor-Aha came to a place associated with Mn at a later date, much like Akhenaten constructed several objects containing both his name and that of his fathers, to legitimize his rule. Thanatosimii 21:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palette image

Also, is it just me or does that image of the Narmer Palette lack any visible detail? I can fix it, but I don't want to change it if it's something peculiar about my monitor. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't read it at all. If you can fix it, it's probably a good idea. Thanatosimii 19:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I tweaked the gamma a bit. It doesn't look all that much better in the article, but the reduced version on the image description page looks much better. The full image was actually pretty clear, but you shouldn't have to download a 1.5MB file to see it! TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Narmer and India connection

Hi,

It is interesting to note that 'Narmeru' is one of the possible (impure?) forms of the name.

In ancient Indian culture (actually according to an ancient language called Sanskrit), 'Narmeru' was meant to be 'Nar' (-andros, -man) and 'meru' (Mount Meru of ancient India, generally used to refer any great mountain).

Regards,

Harshal 16:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No, not particularly interesting. Sanskrit is an Indo-European language which had not yet entered India at the time. (Edit: In fact, Proto-Indo-European may not yet have differentiated itself.) It's entirely unrelated to the Afro-Asiatic Egyptian language, which is also older than any recorded language in the Indo-European family. "Narmer" is a conjectural pronunciation based on the phonetic values represented by the glyphs of his name known from later times. That the glyphs to not represent an ideogram (as may, for example, the name glyph for the earlier King Scorpion) is that what they literally represent, "catfish chisel", doesn't make much sense. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

(whoops, simultanious editing) Not really relevant... First, Sanskrit didn't even exist when narmer lived. Second, there were no indo-europeans in India until almost two millenia later. Thanatosimii 23:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)