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[edit] Missing from discography

Still missing in the discography: 'Suffer The Children' (CD) and 'Live Corruption' (DVD & VHS), but I don't know the release dates for these. Plus, I don't know if compilations that include Napalm Death tracks should be included in the discography or not. - Nightfall

Are all of the entries in the discography actaully albums, or are some singles (I thought Nazi Punks Fuck Off was just one track for example), in which case the wiki naming convention needs to be observed,ie, for albums, "for singles or single songs". As for including compilations I don't see why not I included single tracks that Crass contirubuted to compilation albums (song title first, then name of album), we want an encyclopedia to be as thorough as possible. Cheers quercus robur

[edit] Do these exist?

Do these two demoes really exist? I found them in articles on http://listen.to/napalmdeath


"From Enslavement..." demo definitely exists, I'm not sure about "Like Sheep...". I've never heard about it... --Sjv27 23:03, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Yes - both of these demos exist... The full set of recordings (until the end of 1986) is:

Pre-Napalm Death

The Mess - 'War' rehearsal tape - 1979 (This is the only recording that exists of this band featuring Rat and Nik)

Undead Hatred - 'The Crap Doesn't Stop Here' tape - March 1981... (This 15 song cassette cassette was recorded in rehearsal. Released as a C30 tape (with cover) by ourselves. The band played one concert in April 1981 with the Human Cabbages, Eating Book and Idol/Eyes. This line-up featured Rat on drums, Daz F on bass and Nik on guitar and vocals)

Napalm Death

Various Artists - 'Chapter 3' compilation tape (2 songs)... (Rehearsal recordings - May 1982. The songs were 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse' and 'The Jamboree'. Released by Jako of 'The Joy of Propaganda' fanzine. The band played one concert in August 1982 with The Fits, Bible of Sins, Corrupt Youth and Hiroshima. This line-up featured Si O on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat on drums and Nik on vocals)

Various Artists - 'Ruptured Gut' compilation tape (2 songs)... (Rehearsal recordings - May 1982. Released on Rat's 'Twisted Tapes' tape label. The compilation also featured people such as APF Brigade, Bible of Sins, Autumn Poison and Verbal Warning. This line-up featured Si O on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Halloween' demo 1 - 1982 (9 songs)... (2-Track tape recordings - September 1982. Released as a C30 tape (with cover) by ourselves. The tape featured songs like 'Rival Factions', 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse', 'Pollution' and 'Napalm'. The band played one concert in October 1982 with Bible of Sins, Corrupt Youth, Lambent Lamella and Society's Victims. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

'And, Like Sheep, We Have Gone Astray' demo 2 - 1982 (15 songs)... (2-Track tape recordings - October 1982. Released as a C40 tape (with cover) on 'Obituary Tapes' cassette label run by Mick Slaughter of 'Obituary' fanzine. The tape featured songs like 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse', 'Traditional Society', 'Pollution', 'Rival Factions', 'Call This Aborted?', 'Confined', 'The Room with the Shuttered Window' and 'The Doomsday Cometh'. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

Various Artists - 'Twisted Nervous Breakdown' compilation tape (1 song)... (2-Track tape recording - 1982. Released on Rat's 'Twisted Tapes' tape label. The compilation also featured people such as 3rd Party and Psycho Faction. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

Various Artists - 'Subversive Elements' compilation tape (2 songs)... (2-Track tape recording - 1982. Released on 'Social Disorder' tape label. The compilation also featured The System, The Sinyx, Subhumans, Cold War, APF Brigade, Organised Chaos, Psycho Faction, The A-Heads and The Xpozez. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Kak' demo 3 - 1/4/83 (10 songs)... (2-Track recordings - April 1983. Released as a C60 by ourselves. The songs are 'Curfew', 'The Good Book', 'The Glue Bag Song', 'Traditional Society', 'The Crucifixion of Possessions' (longer version than on the 'Bullshit Detector 3' compilation LP on Crass Records), 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse', 'Blame', '(K)rappers Delight', 'What is My Country?' and 'The Doomsday Cometh'. The band played a number of concerts: April 1983 with Subhumans, Chaos UK, Disorder, Amebix and Antisect, May 1983 with Nobody's Heroes, August 1983 with Verbal Warning and October 1983 with The Apostles and Verbal Warning. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Live at the Union Rowing Club, Nottingham 9/4/83' tape... (A live mixing desk recording of a gig we played with The Subhumans, Antisect, Amebix, Disorder and Chaos UK. Released on 'New Error Tapes' cassette label run by Dig Pearson of 'Dawning of a New Error' fanzine - and later of 'Earache' Records. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik and Spike (from Political Asylum and The Apostles) guested on vocals in parts)

'Unpopular Yawns of Middle Class Warfare' demo 4 - 5/83 (6 songs)... (2-Track recordings - May 1983. Released as a C60 by ourselves. The demo includes 'Systems Scapegoat', 'Blame', 'Screaming Pain Pt 2' and 'Fin's Song', 'The Crucifixion of Possessions' and 'Caught in a Dream' (original version). This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'The Rise and Fall of Flared Trousers' tape - 1983... (A C60 compilation of songs from demos 3 and 4. Released by ourselves in 1983. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Scared Shitless' tape (11 songs) - 1983... (A compilation featuring 11 songs from demos 3 and 4 and a live side. Released by ourselves in 1983. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

Various Artists - 'Bullshit Detector 3' compilation double album - 1984 (1 song)... (2-Track recording - 1983. The album features a shorter version of 'The Crucifixion of Possessions' from demo 3 as Crass edited out the beginning due to running time issues. Crass originally chose 'The Good Book' as the album track but the band objected due to internal discussion regarding the lyrical content. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Hatred Surge' demo 5 - 23/12/85 (8 songs)… (8 track recordings - 1985. Released as a C60 cassette tape (with cover) by ourselves. It also included a live recording of a 1985 concert from the Mermaid pub in Birmingham. The band played a number of gigs with this line-up and also as a 3-piece with Nik on bass and vocals. The current versions of the tape that are available on the internet do not feature the original cover. This line-up featured P.Nut on bass and Justin on guitar, Rat and Nik)

'From Enslavement to Obliteration' demo 6 -March 1986... (8 track recordings - 1986. Released as a C60 cassette (with cover) by ourselves. The recording features Nik on bass and vocals, Justin - guitar and Mick - drums)


Hope that helps... Nic Bullen

[edit] You Suffer lyrics

Does it really go "You Suffer" at the beginning of it? All I can hear is "But why?".

According to the lyric sheet, yes. But as far as early Napalm Death records go, the vocals don't necessarily follow the actual lyrics all that closely. - Quirk 21:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If I remember rightly, ND used what's now known as the Scum vocal style, where only one in every four syllables are actually pronounced. I'm unsure if this is true, but it sounds plausable. Raven_1959 12:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the song 'You Suffer', and on the recorded versions (from the 'From Enslavement to Obliteration' demo tape and the first side of the 'Scum' LP) I 'sing' all of the lyrics... The same applies to all of the pieces on those two recordings...

The idea of "only one in every four syllables are actually pronounced" is incorrect (at least in my case)... Nic Bullen

Ohh is this actually Nic? I doubt it. On the subject, it sounds like Lee might do that as when I first heard ND it took me ages to be able to hear when he sings what lyrics/parts. --Xdiabolicalx 20:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ohh infact it must be Nic --Xdiabolicalx 20:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Style

I'm going to spend a little time twiddling with this, mostly just..well, 'formalizing' some of the language and grammar. ManicParroT 22:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I guess this project never really got too far because the style is still very fanzine-esque. The actual content seems good so a little tightening up of the prose should go a long way. I've tagged it with {{tone}} if only to remind myself to have a go when I have the time. Soo 00:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legal question

I know this sounds rather stupid, but could somone please explain to me how ND can legally exist without any original members? Avador 00:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

It's not like the band incorporated back in 1982 or something. —Slicing (talk) 04:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The group can continue under the name Napalm Death as none of the ex-members have any interest in using the name...Nic Bullen

They didn't lose all their former members at the same time. The new members are just as much Napalm Death as the old ones.

Bands evolve, so why shouldn't they use the name? Shane Embury's been in the band since 87. Of course Napalm Death's one of the more extreme cases of lineup changes. Remember how it puzzled me back when I started listening to grind and death.Marxistviking 01:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed Tag

I added a disputed tag to the Violation of Innocence section. Not sourced and there is no evidence this group exists. Group is on AfD, if it is deleted, this section should be removed.--Isotope23 20:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lee Dorrian

The article has him joining in 1987 but I saw him in the lineup several times around 1984 or 1985 when Napalm Death appeared at nights he was promoting at the Hand and Heart in Coventry 195.92.168.176 00:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Lee Dorrian did not join Napalm Death until January 1987... He played his first concert with Napalm Death supporting Antisect at the Hand and Heart in Coventry in January 1987 (he organised the concert)... Napalm Death did not play the Hand and Heart in Coventry in 1984 or 1985: they first played there in 1986... Hope that helps...Nic Bullen

Thanks for that. What I remember is that there was some problem leading to Lee Dorrian standing in on vocals before formally joining and this being the first time I heard urghhhh, bleurghhhh lyrics and suchlike 195.92.168.176 20:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template at the bottom

Can somebody make a template thing at the bottom so it lists all the studio releases and other stuff without having to go to a separate page?

copy Template:BoltThrower to Template:Napalm Death and edit it, will do. Spearhead 19:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bands with no constant members

Napalm Death has had a stable line up for almost their entire career now. The turbulence in the line up was only during the earliest years and with the exception of the departure of Jesse Pintado, there hasn't been a change in almost fifteen years now. I am therefore removing the "Bands with no constant members" category. Inflammator 03:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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