User talk:Nae'blis

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Nae'blis is taking a long wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia some later time.

For older messages, please see User talk:Nae'blis/Archive.

I will generally respond to users on their talk page (and watch for replies there), and respond to article discussions on article talk pages. Please add new topics to the bottom of this page in a new section, like this.

One Plenary Indulgence awarded by Essjay in recognition of your great work!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar, for being nice and kind and saying sorry in an oppose vote :) Tawker 07:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Analog Human, Talk Page, IP address, "Jim the Wonder Dog", (note you may delete this after reading if you wish)

Hello nae'blis,this communication is as courtesy to your response on my talk page,I expect no further action on your part,but you did seem to wish a response.As an Admin and owner of numerous websites and research groups,and mod on others,when you mention;"or are you giving up?" or words to that effect;I see you are aware of a user friendly issue and there is not need to go into that.Normally when I create a website,I employ helps or study and use HTML and basic logic,asking questions from most orgs just gets a form response anyhow.I was pleased to actually get a response from a human,but ended up with a chain reaction anyhow.lol.As I tried to repair my user talk page so it would function,I ended up with a warning on a page dedicated to my IP address as follows,note I will adapt using parenthetical notation for excerts;("Your edits to other user's accounts.Do NOT blank,or add nonsense to any registered user's profile.Your first warning:Welcome to Wikipedia.We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia.Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing.However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to User talk:AnalogHuman,are considered vandalism.If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning.Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others.Thank you.Specter01010 08:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)")FORGIVE ME FOR NOT BREAKING UP THIS COMMUNICATION,into sections so it would be easier to understand,but doing so seems to cause run ons in the pages here.Anyhow,I stopped trying to use my talk page for further discussion as I was afraid it would end up causing my IP to be banned for vandalizing my user talk page.I contacted Specter01010 and they responded after and suggested contacting yet another admin.But after reconsideration I thought this is snowballing and for something as simple as a new user name for an IP address,it's not worth it.When I joined as AnalogHuman I felt one major advantage would be removing my IP address from my contributions and gaining some control of privacy,as it said;("Your IP address will no longer be visible to other users.").And I am sure Specter01010 was doing what was expected under the perceived rules,so place no no fault with that person.But I do have considerable security concerns due to research issues,in fact that was the reason my system would not work with the chat system mentioned in helps,as I don't allow that programming on my computer,or even messenger.As I first signed up,I did include an email,but as I saw any hope of enhanced privacy slipping away;I deleted it.This would have been an email but then found out by removing my email I could no longer email you.This begins to sound like a Shakespeare comedy as tragic events begat more.Alas,if only"Jim the Wonder Dog"was here,he could communicate.Have tried adding standard urls here in this message,but am worried that it would cause a run on,and did use slight HTML code in my talk page to display a link and it did work,none the less have learned to be cautious with this system as it seems to do things that always need adjusting and that might cause a vandalization issue,so will just say that a google search for"Jim the Wonder Dog"in quotation marks on Google will give a ton of results,and adding book or movie outside the marks should take you to what you mentioned on your query on my talk page.That's only if it really was of interest to you,otherwise you can drop it.Maybe when the next movie comes out,it will be more likely to be added.And yes,as I am very busy I will"Give up"as my contributions would only be sporadic at best,and please forgive me for being so long winded,but did want to respond,and in turn thankyou for your response as well.Thank You,Analog Human 16:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Magic: The Gathering terms review

Thanks for placing the content in my userspace for review. I'm going to blank the page for now, but it's possible I might access it later via the history so I can use it as a reference for a rewrite. (Of course, if it comes to that, I would ask for history undeletion.) Thanks again! -- Norvy (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Claremont Fan Court page

While the motto may not have any references, it is the motto of the school. Not all things can have sources and references. I know what the motto is because I am typing this from a computer in the school's library. Unfortunately there are not books or website which documents the motto and therefore I am unable to support the motto with any kind of source. In this case I feel it would be best if it remained there until someone opposed the motto and challenged or changed it to be something else. Please respond here as I am unable to login. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.252.238.158 (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Unfortunately, since at least two different mottos have been posted, it's already been "contested" and therefore we do need a source in order for it to be accurate. It may seem counter-intuitive, but Wikipedia has a strong policy against original research, which is what "looking at the motto as I type" amounts to. Any author should be able to reasonably verify that what you say is true, and personal experience is incredibly hard to verify in that manner.

I found it hard to believe that the motto isn't documented anywhere (a yearbook or student guide, perhaps?), so if you do happen to find it in print/on a website somewhere, then it can be reincluded. Thanks for your consideration. -- nae'blis 14:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have managed to find an image of the school crest containing the motto which I will upload shortly. If however the motto was not documentated in any such way would it not be re included even if many people related to the school could testify?

In addition, may I ask why the abnormalities section was deleted? I would be happy to provide a date for that particular incident. Oliverwk 17:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

A date is not so important as a reliable source; media coverage of the incident (and I don't mean the school paper) would be best, a press release from the school about it would be somewhat helpful to fill in details. But again, personal anecdotal evidence counts as original research, even if it's something that seems "common knowledge" to a Claremont student. Remember that Wikipedia's audience is global, and may not know things that you take for granted. If we don't have someplace to "back up" our facts, we lose credibility in their eyes. The Abnormalities section as originally written was anecdotal and seemed to be from the perspective of someone involved/witnessing it. Think more of what someone would write in an out-of-town newspaper or a book about Claremont for the writing style we're looking for.

You're welcome to continue the conversation here or on the article's talk page, I'll try to check that over the next few days as well. -- nae'blis 20:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I can understand that the section in question was not written in the rightfully expected encylopædic tone, however the incident was on a small scale and did not/would not attract the attention of local news papers and a press release was not issued by the school. Perhaps it is of so little importance that it is not worth mentioning it, however it is an example of an ignorant attack on a religion, well a denomination of Christianity.Oliverwk 21:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MFD

Thanks for helping out in WP:MFD! When closing MFD discussions would you please subst: in the closeout templates, and place the top above the header name on the page like this? It helps to keep all of the pages consistant. Thanks again! — xaosflux ^Talk 03:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and I'll try to remember that in the future. It's always a hassle remembering what gets substituted and what doesn't, and I haven't memorized the list yet... -- nae'blis 15:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LoPbN canvassing

Thanks, and to you to. I hope my tone has been as careful as i noted yours to be, tho i never stated that.
--Jerzy•t 22:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WT:RFA comments

Re [1]: You're right. I am obstructionist. I have every intention of being obstructionist to poorly thought out ideas that do not approach modifying RfA through some form of methodical approach, for example a SWOT analysis. That's my proposal for solving it. I've said it dozens of times, and I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face. Plenty of people want to "reform" RfA, yet few have made any real attempt to ascertain what's wrong with it. I've already done multiple point by point assertions and responses before. --Durin 14:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, now I've got something to sink my teeth into! ;) Thanks for the response. -- nae'blis 17:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm wondering where those teeth are aimed :) --Durin 17:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

At a SWOT analysis of RFA, of course! Feeling nervous, Durin? -- nae'blis 23:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I know better than to be so :) Just making a joke. Note that SWOT is just one method. It might not even be the best method, but it's probably a good starting point. Another alternative might be a wikipedia adaptation of Eight Disciplines Problem Solving to address particular concerns. --Durin 03:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: user caught in autoblock

Thanks for bringing that unblock request to my attention. Although that user has caused problems in the past, and with such a blatant sockpuppet name, I decided to give the user one more chance. Thanks for letting me know. :-) Zsinj^Talk 14:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your exceptionally kind and thoughtful comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 20:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:List of media personalities who have vandalised Wikipedia

It looks like the deletion police are trying to circumvent a previous AFD again. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of media personalities who have vandalised Wikipedia. As you voted keep, could you cast your vote again? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recall

Will you please tell me when your recall is? I would like to vote in it. Unless you do something stupid (I doubt it) I will support you. You are a great admin. Peace. --James, La gloria è a dio 00:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I will make an open link if a recall is ever requested, but right now there is none ongoing. Thanks for your 'vote' of confidence, though. Cheers! -- nae'blis 03:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a7 reviews

Hey -- there is a way you could help, actually. I gave ratings for the 50 articles I looked at on a scale of 1-5, and it might be nice to have an independent opinion. On my scale, basically, 5 was unquestionable, 4 was very sound (but with the most minor excuse that no one I can think of would accept for keeping), 3 were articles that clearly meet the criterion but which require a little judgement, 2 were ones that I thought were technically okay but a stretch, and 1 for articles where the criterion clearly doesn't apply. Any interest? Mango juice^talk 14:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Piss off, sayeth Yoda.

Sure, but it might take me a day or two to have breathing room to sift through it... work has exploded, and I'm converting another wiki to MediaWiki. Yee! -- nae'blis 16:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Remember, acceptance of adminship was tantamount to an agreement to give up real life and serve only Wikipedia ;). NoSeptember 16:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny, you are not. -- nae'blis 17:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicene Christianity

I notice you changed the name of "Late Antique Christianity" back to "Nicene Christianity" saying there was no concensus on the Nicene Christianity talk page. But, there isn't a Nicene Christianity talk page. It hasn't been created. The article is new and I think the person who made it simply made a mistake. Late Antique Christianity is the more common term (e.g. 1.1 mil goodle hits vs 683k for nicene christinity, most being links to the ante-nicene fathers, a different topic). I haven't seen any scholarly works use that label, whereas Late Antique Christianity is common (examples could be given). Also, Nicene Christianity sometimes means something elese: the Christian tradition that came to be orthodox (Greek & Catholic & even traditonal Prot.) Christianity of today, thus its meaning is quite different than as a historical era of the Church. Lostcaesar 18:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll drop something over on talk in a bit, thanks for the reply! =D

Lostcaesar 19:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Future_article_talk_page

I'm still kind of boggled by the deletion process here. It appears the one tool that kept me actually editing wikipedia, Template:Future_article_talk_page got deleted. I've tried very hard to follow the wiki policy, it seemed clear that talk pages designed to help create an article are not covered under any grounds for deletion. I'm looking for a good place on wikipedia to discuss this issue :) I was hoping you could help? Mathiastck 15:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help over at CAT:CSD

Hi, and congrats on your promotion! Per this discussion, I'm dropping a friendly note to some of the recently-promoted admins requesting help with speedy deletions. I am not an administrator, so if you don't feel comfortable diving into deletions - or if you need more info - please don't come to me, but I'm sure that Cyde Weys would be happy to guide you if you want to help. Any help is great, but I'm sure that Cyde and others would deeply appreciate it if you could put the page on your watchlist and do a bit of work there on a regular basis? Maybe weekly? Thanks in advance! Oh and if you're already working away on CSD please disregard this message; it's not meant as a slight against any hard work you're already doing. Cheers! Anchoress 18:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alex Caldiero

Hmm. I was just about to delete it. Seems like puff to me. Still, you might be right erring on caution. Tyrenius 23:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it and deal with it if it can't seem to gain any more weight...thanks for checking in! -- nae'blis 23:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alex caldiero

Not sure what you did with this - it says you moved it to upper case surname, which should automatically turn the first article into a redirect, but now they're both in existence!? Tyrenius 23:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Check again, the Froggy editor didn't catch on at first to what happened, so he kept editing the original title... -- nae'blis 23:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deathrocker's talk page

You said: "I'm not entirely clear why you protected his talk page; he's making expressions of frustration with a block he clearly does not agree with, but cutting off communication doesn't seem likely to help him understand or change his behavior. I didn't see his behavior as warranting cutting off his last method of communication on-wiki. Would you consider removing protection and settle for removing any explicit attacks?"

He was blocked for rampant personal attacks. He continued making these personal attacks on his talk page once he was blocked. In my opinion, it is entirely inappropriate to allow him to continue making the personal attacks. If you can get his personal assurance that these will cease, I would be happy to lift the protection from his page, however. If not, the protection expires around the end of his 48 hour block, give or take a few minutes. --Yamla 18:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

As an aside, if you are an administrator, you have my blessing to remove the protection under the same terms. Alternatively, if you are willing to monitor and remove any personal attacks from his page, you have my grudging consent. I do not believe that a person blocked for personal attacks should be permitted to continue making them, however. --Yamla 18:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Adminship, take two?

Thanks for thinking of me in this manner, but I have just gotten back from moving and taken myself off of wiki-break, and have yet to get a permanent internet connection ( I use a library computer for now). Once I do, I will gladly accept another nomination. See you around the boards. SynergeticMaggot 22:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Missouri Largest Metro Area Removal Edit

Regarding your recent removal of the "Largest Metro" statistic from the Missouri info box. I have done some research on the definitions of MSA and the Missouri components of both the St. Louis and Kansas City metropolitan areas. Perhaps you'd be willing to reconsider your recent edit based on that research, and or provide some additional input to the discussion. I would like to gain a more complete understanding of why that statistic was removed, as it would benefit the Wikipedia readers. Perhaps we could work together to provide guidelines on when the largest metro statistic should or should not be used. One possibility would be to completely omit the largest metro stat. Another would be to only include it in states in which the entire MSA lies within only one state. Another would be to always list it. Another would be to only include it in states in which the largest city does not anchor the largest MSA.Cynic783 20:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe you have me confused with the anonymous user who made that edit back in December; I personally don't have a problem with it, since there seems to be a space for it in the template, but it's also misleading in Missouri's case where it isn't necessarily so in some other states. I would support a footnote that says to look at the section where it describes the difference between metro size (STL on top) and city size (KCMO on top). -- nae'blis 23:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

When you say it's misleading do you mean because the MSA's aren't completely in the state of Missouri? Of the arguments I've read that's probably the strongest. So far we have Nebraska, Ohio, Tennessee, Connecticut, South Carolina, and Florida using the LargestMetro tag. I found those by just searching for "LargestMetro". Of those, Nebraska and Tennessee (maybe the others, didn't have time to check) have metros that cross state lines. What about adding the largest metro with a footnote that explains that both MSA's are in two states and perhaps reaffirming that Kansas City proper is the largest city (in terms of both area and population).Cynic783 16:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be fine, actually. It's actually interesting (to me) that KCMO and STL have such differing characteristics, and the State Legislature takes advantage of that from time to time to enact legislation that only affects one, or the other, or both but no other city. Kinda wild. -- nae'blis 16:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the RfA nom, and sorry it didn't go well. I just closed it because the opposes are about half based on incorrect assumptions and claims at this point, and it was only getting worse. I probably won't try again for quite some time. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and I'm glad to have done it. It was certainly an "eye opening" experience for me watching your candidacy's progress, and I'm sorry it didn't work out better for you. Make sure to let me know if you run again, I still have no real problem with supporting you for the bit. -- nae'blis 16:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not a "personality dispute"

I'll MfD the page, but your reaction is precisely why I tagged the page. The casual viewer has absolutely no idea what's going on there, and makes an incorrect assumption. Jefferson Anderson is a user who, in three months, got involved in two Arbcom disputes, continually edited against consensus, and was all in all a problematic user for quite a number of articles and people. His accusations are totally baseless, and I see no reason to let him use his user page to accuse other editors (including myself) of improper conduct, when he is the one acting improperly. Also, how do you enter into dispute resolution with a user who has left Wikipedia (and has, BTW, done so with two AMA cases open that he started in the first place)? MSJapan 16:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Undo

Thanks for the heads up. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 00:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Denise Garfield

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Denise_Garfield I certanly wouldn't consider her non-notable.

[edit] Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 00:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)^{talk to me}

[edit] Crichton Leprechaun

Hmm, I don't see that in the history of the contested prod page. Was there any rationale other than the procedural one? I won't AFD it right away if someone threatened to fix it, but if the overturn was only procedural, I certainly will. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted material recovery

Hello! Can you recover the deleted article Janicism and send it to me by "email user"? Possibly Image:Janicism article.jpg too. I would like to obtain the copy just for reasons of curiosity to the controversy (also a funny controversy one can say). I promise I will not post it anywhere on Wikipedia. Thanks! Wooyi 22:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, another admin has done it for me already, but Thanks anyways! Wooyi 22:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support.

Dear Nae'blis,

Thank you very much for your kind words and supportive comments on my recent RfA. I've been shot down again, so it won't be happening this time. I hope, though, that I can hear from you again next time around - and there definitely will be a next time.

Best wishes,

-- Earle Martin [^t/_c] 20:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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