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Re:supporting the removal of the refferences of the Indus

Thank you very much. Just what I expected from you. Thanks again. Szhaider 18:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)





Hi Nadir

Nadir thanx for message,my big brother name is also Nadir Ali. good to know that mother is sindhi i bet she is must be good mother ,well mother are always good,but being mother with sufism from roots is kinda awesome, u must be getting what i am trying to say.Lets do some thing good for mother Sindh.i offten watch some pages, i feel difficulty here,it is kinda new to me being here and working and still i have not checked ,what one user can do here and can not Do.

khalidkhoso

Dear Nadir Thanx for message again.u said i called ur mother suif? no u can read i did not call her Sufi. i said as she is sindh she is having roots in sufi-ism,wel my self i am not sufi neither but i like it's idealogy ,i am myself a sunni too but as you see peoples around you(specially in sindh,big saint like sachal,Sami,Latif Sarkar),you just start thing these are right they never hurt any one.i never seen peoples fighting in name of religion(except karachi,it is not sindhi dominated area).I belive religion is relation between you and your God and i think no buddy have right to argue you becacuse it is you and him.if that makes me sufi then ok,but i pratice as sunni wahabi. when you visited hyderabad last time? i will some more topics in indus river,i need your support becasue this time you will fight with your own peoples,beacuse as there is no water in delata of indus river,so i will add it indus river and i know many punjabi user will try to remove it as they doing in Akber Bugti page.


Regards

9 December

User:khalidkhoso:khalidkhoso


Check this out bro

We share a lot of the same views. Please see my page and visit the forum I have linked to. Its a site dedicated to making people aware and getting them to recognise the history and identity of Pak. The Admin of the site is looking for a moderating team. If you want to, you can make that. looking forward to hear from ya. Unre4L —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unre4L (talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Sorry. Thought I posted the link. Here it is anyway. http://www.pakhub.info/ I plan on donating to admin for a domain for it next week. Unre4L

2 sides of the story need to be heard

I think you need to here my side of the story before taking sides.Personal attacks have been launched against me by the same users who reported me along with attempting to intimidate user:Saddiqui by making threatening comments. They have also vandalized my comments once and have been trolling with there provokitive comments non-stop.They have also accussed me of being a "maddrassa student".If anyone's been trolling it's them.Nadirali 04:05, 9 December 2006

I'm not taking sides. It doesn't matter if people have been levying personal attacks against you; you still are not allowed to attack others. If people are attacking you, warn them using {{npa}}, {{npa2}}, {{npa3}}, and {{npa4}}, or {{civil1}} and {{civil2}}. -- tariqabjotu 04:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Your site is not working

Hello Nadir hw ru today Yar ,i try to open ur site but it is not working i do not know why?can u help me in this regard .i was using it from office? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 04:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Khalid Im good thanx.I will be unable to respond to you for now as I have been blocked as a punishment for violating the wikipedia:incivility and wikipedia:personal attacks rules.Once the block is lifted,I will message you and help you open the site.Please note that the government of Pakistan has blocked access to the site for political disputes with the world Sindhi institute.However there still is a way for you to access the site from Pakistan.Once my block is lifted,I will hlep you access the site.Until then see you.Nadirali 05:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Hey Nadir ,i opened ur site with www.ghostproxy.com ,it by pass local proxy.i do nt knw why ur site was blocked by admin here,anways,it was nice work by u on that site.ok sure will be waiting for ur response.How can help U ,in sindhiworld forum?lemme knw if i can i wll sure.hey wat is ur mailing address?

Just email world Sindhi institute with the questions you have.I just hope it's safe as the Pak government doesnt want people visiting the site,but if you can visit the safely that's fine,just email them your questions.Thankyou.Nadirali 15:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Hi agin Nadir, i though u r blocked and can not replay anyways Welcome Back.

Question

Hi Nadirali, I saw the discussion at Talk:History_of_India#indian_hijacking_of_Pakistan.27s_history and posted a question for you which I'll hope you will answer. Thanks a lot GizzaChat © 06:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Empire

What would the error be? The Filmaker 21:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for letting me know. The Filmaker 19:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Portals

Hi! Portals are actually alternate Main Pages on wikipedia. They contain content similar to the wikipedia front page. But unlike the main page, portals are devoted to a specific topic. Hence they contain pictures, articles, "Did you know"s, etc. on that topic alone. See this page for all the info about portals. Ping me if you have any further questions.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 00:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Anti-vandal programs

Hello again! Thanks for the congratulations. (You can call me Deepu by the way ) Reg. anti-vandal programs : Actually, adding the vandal sniper template to your userpage does not protect it from vandal attacks. Vandal sniper is a program that you can download to your computer. When it is run, it scans through all the recent changes and list out those that the program thinks might be a case of vandalism. It also gives you an option to revert these changes easily.

So, in short, those people who have the vandal sniper template on their user pages are only saying that they run the Vandal sniper program and will revert any vandalism immediately using it. Their userpages remain as vulnerable as any other. I think you get the idea. The template is just a graphic, and does nothing. I recommend you try out Vandal sniper or the anti-vandal tool to understand better.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 13:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the guides.I have been able to upload the script for the anti-vandal tool script to my monobox and it seems to work just fine.Thanks alot for the info! Nadirali 01:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nadirali

I'm not sure if you're familiar with user:Tigeroo, but he might need some help staying focused and being neutral in an article that we're editing on together called Decline of Buddhism in India. I'm not entirely aware of the issues, but there has been an edit war going on that I would like to stop. Could you talk to him please? Thanks.NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 18:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. Have fun!NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 23:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice however if you please talk a look around at the edit's discussions and talk pages maybe you can see I am trying to be amicable. It is hard to come to agreement when the chages being inserted are blankings, removal of cited materials, unexplained etc. I could solve issues if the other party was discussing things. I have not gone to 3RR and have even not brought 3RR against the other party involved to keep things amicable. If you would like to mediate the dispute, it would be welcome.--Tigeroo 06:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposals

Someone else pretty much already had the same idea.

The Filmaker 14:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Eid,Happy New Year

Image:Eid image.JPG
Dear Nadir Happy New Year ,Chand Raat ,Happy Eid, Eid Saeed,Eid Mubarak


Dear Nadirali,
HAppy New Year,Eid,Eid Mubarak,chand Rat to You and Your Family with Love .Sadin Gud,Allah Hafiz KhalidKhoso

IVC

Dear Nadirali, project templates are supposed to go only on talk pages. I hope that helps. Eid Mubarak and Happy New Year! deeptrivia (talk) 00:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting the template off the article and on to the talk page, Nadirali. I don't think I have anything else to say about your other concerns. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Great. You and User:Unre4L have similar concerns. Parallel discussions are being carried out on different pages, which is not very efficient. Let's discuss this on a single project page. Maybe at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics if you don't mind. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 03:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, please suggest a neutral page, where a larger number of editors can participate in the discussion. I am talking about User:Unre4L's discussion on Talk:History_of_India#Ancient_Indian_to_be_changed_into_Ancient_Pakistani., and about letting the Pakistan template stay on the talk page. Thanks, deeptrivia (talk) 03:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions[1] made on December 31, 2006 to Indus Valley Civilization

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.
The duration of the block is 24 hours.

Please mark your reverts as such; please use edit comments

William M. Connolley 11:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


History of Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism

Can you please keep an eye on these articles. These articles are being rewritten by Indians from Hindutva perspective. Siddiqui 04:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I have rewritten Pakistani nationalism by removing Indian propaganda. Can you pleaase review my changes and try to keep this version. I am hoping more Pakistanis contributors will pool thier efforts.
Siddiqui 14:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

saving some templates for inaccurate and/or POV articles

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Re: discussion page

Thanks for pointing this out. I highly appreciate that. I will take time to read it entirely before participating with my views. Thanks again. Szhaider 20:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

what would jesus do?

wasn't listed on the afd, therefore its fair game.--D-Boy 13:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

  • You're not supposed to take off the tag until the vote has been passed.Removing that tag before a vote is passed is considered vandalizm.Leave the tag alone.Nadirali 16:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
watch me!--D-Boy 13:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL I think you're a little too late for that.Nadirali 14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi

Hi, We don't really know each other, but we had traded some postings on the Urdu language. Anyway, I seem to be having problems on this page with some POV warriors from here—warriors like this and this. Anyway, if you have the time, you might consider visiting the page every now and then and restoring order; however, beware of this. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies and for the templates. Yes, these POV-wars sometimes are very tricky. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Modest Barnstar

Awarded the Modest Barnstar for trying to keep wikipedia free of excessive vulgarity, and for your courtesy. Cheers!
Awarded the Modest Barnstar for trying to keep wikipedia free of excessive vulgarity, and for your courtesy. Cheers!

No harm done. Cheers! Thanks for your attempt to keep the wikipedia free from 'bad words' as well as for your courtesy and diligent attention to your bot's actions.

Your input requested

Can you please check following page where Indian contributors have made accusation against Pakistani contributors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents Siddiqui 02:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents
check heading "Meatpuppetry and tag-team edit-warring" it is the middle of the page. You can also search this page.
Siddiqui 05:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I will add the tag. I will myself prepare to talk to Taxman.
Siddiqui 06:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I am going to read those articles. HamzaOmar 15:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


Ajruk

Hello Nadir hw r u ,how is life ,sorry was away so i am late to respond. here is ajruk image

Ajrukl
Ajrukl

i do nt knw how to make icon\tags here if u have any idea then attach this image with sindhi wikipedian .

Salam

Thank you!

Image:WikiThanks.png It was my pleasure to help you. Thank you for the honour! :-) thunderboltz(Deepu) 09:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


Category:Sindhi Wikipedians

Dear Nadir add this to ur page.

Sindhi Template 1

سنڌي सिन्धी
This user is Sindhi

Khalidkhoso 13:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


Dear Nadir some one is making changes on sindhi wikipedian page ,thinking as he own it? so please need help so that he should not vandlize page.



FYI: Your 1-week block of Users Szhaider, Nadirali, and Unre4L

Dear Nadirali, For your information, I posted the following on Rama's Arrow's talk page:

Dear Rama's Arrow, As someone who has done battle on occasion with all three users, I nonetheless feel that your recent week-long blocks of them, especially the latter two, are a little heavy-handed and over the top. I feel that they should have been given more warning, and perhaps slapped with 24-hour, or 48-hour or even 3-day blocks first. I went back and re-read WP:NPA, especially the following, which I'm sure you well know:

“ In extreme cases, even isolated personal attacks may lead to a block for disruption. Legal threats, death threats, and issues of similar severity, in particular, may result in a block without warning. However, administrators are cautioned that other resolutions are preferable to blocking for less severe situations when it is unclear if the "conduct severely disrupts the project". ”

In light of the above caution, I actually went through Unre4L's "contributions" log between the time you gave him a warning on his talk page and the time you issued a 1-week block. Although, I am sure you have your reasons for blocking him/her, I personally couldn't find anything that disruptive, and feel that the 1-week block is extreme punishment for the crime at hand. I am not asking for your reasons, but simply that two neutral administrators (like say Dbachmann, Nichalp (if he is not too busy), Saravask, Ragib, or Aksi_great) review the blocks, especially those of users Nadirali and Unre4L. Thanks! Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's hope someone follows my post up with a review of your block. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


Your comments

Because of the protection of your talk page and your schooling concentration which you mentioned on my talk page, I left a response to your comments at User talk:Unre4L. I also backed out of editing Pakistan-related articles for a while. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 23:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No, you misunderstand, the constant arguments are tension-building and time-wasting, so I'm staying away and I also didn't want to edit behind Unre4L back as I didn't really support his block. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 23:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)



Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar!! Much appreciated. Am on a slow connection, will reply at length tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Tags

Hi again, I hoped I wouldn't go into dirty waters again and IMO I didn't so I'll clarify for one last time. From my understanding of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide (I recommend you reading the official guideline) it says banners can be added if the article is related or "within the scope" of the WikiProject. It does not say "belong" or "owned," and furthermore the says purpose of these tags are to recruit more members to the WikiProject. What I hope to acheive by adding the tag is to 1) recruit more members, 2) make them contribute significantly to Indian-related articles 3) Therefore help fulfil Wikipedia's main goal which is to provide a high-standard to the rest of the world.

In case you think I have double standards or something, I actually will be fine with and suggest the Pakistani editors to do the same. I wouldn't mind at all if added the WP Pak tag to Adi Shankara, who according to This, went to where Pakistan is today. He wasn't born in Pakistan, but does that mean he had no influence on Pakistani culture and history? Of course not, he had a massive influence. Panini is a similar story. He was born in modern day Pakistan but he regularised Classical Sanskrit, which became for mother of all modern Indo-Aryan languages (Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi, Sindhi, Bengali, Gujarati), which are spoken in Pakistan, Indian and Bangladesh.

I prefer that Indians and Pakistani keep peaceful relations on Wikipedia, so we may as well be inclusive rather than exclusive. Lets not create tension when 60 sixty years ago, the two countries had a very strong inter-related history. If you are not convinced, so be it, but I do suggest talking with User:Ragib, who is a Bangladeshi and ask him about it. Thank you GizzaChat © 03:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:SIndhi template

Hi Nadir, i am ok with grace of God I have convinced them(for keeping me Sindhi Template) ,now every thing is ok dear .Thanks for message

Khalidkhoso 11:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


Star Wars

I'm sorry, I've been away for a while and I'm trying to catch up. Could you refresh me on the problems with Return of the Jedi and the other articles? The Filmaker 04:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talkpage regarding those errors.Nadirali نادرالی

Jack the Giant Killer (film)

I'd like to thank you for starting the article on Jack the Giant Killer (film) and writing it so extensively; you obviously spent a lot of time on it. But I'd like to ask you in the future to obey the spacing rules of written English: always put a space after commas, periods, parentheses, and most other punctuation marks. It took me a long time to clean up the spacing and make the article more visually readable. I know it's not a major point, but you can make things work more smoothly by hitting the space bar. Thanks! -Phoenixrod 11:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


India

Could you please use the talk page to discuss the parts where you are concerned or change them directly on the main article. The article is a featured article which means it is supposed to be one of the best articles on WP, and it is also about a large ticket item, so please clarify the issues so that people can address them. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I can see that you do not like the contents of the page, but unless you make an explanation of which parts you don't agree with, and either make a statement of intent by changing the article or proposing a change on the talk page, then people will generally remove it, as there is no revert on the main page nor, a proposal to revert/change on the talk page. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Irfan Husain

Thank you for pointing this out to me. To be honest, I do not know this person. Sometimes, I just choose a category, and start doing minor but important edits. His article became a victim of my edits in one of same kind of edit-sprees :-) If he has Pakistani nationality (passport, Overseas Pakistani Card or any other documents proving his Pakistani nationality); even with dual nationality, he is technically Pakistani; no matter what his opinions are. In the light of your post, the aticle raises some questions:

If he is not Pakistani (by ancestary or migration (in or) after 1947):

  1. How did he get the position of President at the Textile Institute of Pakistan?
  2. If he is Indian or out-right Anti-Pakistan, how is he writing columns in the Dawn? (Generally, Pakistani Government won't allow an Indian writer in Pakistani papers.)
  3. From which country's Government service he was retired?
  4. How does he enter Pakistan to stay in Karachi (as the article claims)?
  5. Has he spent any time in Pakistan before settling in London (UK)?
  6. Did he ever have (or currently has) Pakistani nationality?

Decision about the stub can be easily taken if we have precise answers to above questions. Thank you!

Szhaider 03:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

"Edit spree" is a play upon the term "Shopping spree" and was intended to be a little humorous. In Encart Pocket Dictionary, "Spree" is defined as period of extravagant activity. Sometimes I make tens of minor edits in just a few minuts. It was a reference to that. Szhaider 05:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:cricket

It is good to see that we can talk about something we both agree on for a change! (Btw, I didn't read much of your Sindhi comment simply because I don't want to get involved again. I want to keep my promise of staying out of controversial areas for your sakes and mine).

According to my memory there was a page called August_2006_ball_tampering_controversy and it became a redirect to Pakistani cricket team in England in 2006 because it only duplicated information. Much of the controversy is now placed here. Actually, there's more info about it on the Darrell Hair page here. So it seems that there is no single page on it anymore. I suggest talking with the guys at WT:CRIC on whether we can have a separate page for the whole incident. Like the Hair page suggests, much of the controversy has shifted from the match/Pakistanis to Darrell Hair so I'm not sure at the moment.

Speaking of cricket, you may consider joining the Cricket WikiProject (along with your friend Unre4L) by joining on the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket/Participants page. You will notice that there are very few Pakistani members, which is a real shame. It reflects the quality of their articles. The pages on the English, Australian and Indian cricketers are miles ahead of everyone else with West Indies and New Zealand following. It would be wonderful if the standard of Pakistani cricket article can be risen. GizzaChat © 06:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

FU image on user page

Hi. You have placed a copyrighted image on your user page. Kindly remove the image as use of copyrighted material on user pages is forbidden. Regards, - Aksi_great (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The dog image is fine as it is released under the creative commons free license. But the star wars image needs to go. All movie screenshots, posters, actors pics from movies, etc. are copyright images and can be only used in wikipedia under certain situations which fall under the fair use criteria. See WP:FU. Those images must never be used on any user page. Regards, - Aksi_great (talk) 16:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm

User:Nadirali said:

Please do not place bogus warnings on my talkpage.

You deleted the warning from your talk page :) I had a tough time finding what exactly did I say to you. From browser history, I had to find.
For reference, here is the diff: [2]
Edit warring by reverting to a version which has been un-accepted on Talk page, without even informing at talk page is called WP:Vandalism.
No surprise you were blocked for doing the same on other pages: [3]

And please refrain from using words like "our encyclopedia".Wikipedia is not your personal property.It is for all users to contribute to.

Another sample of ignorance!
Say hello to {{subst:test|Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar}}. Remove the nowiki tag to see the effect.

Regarding the article it's very silly for anyone to think he was not born in Pakistan.Please forget this fantasy that Pakistan was ever "part" of India.If people can use a country's name before it's name was officially established(ie "anceint Iran" when the name Iran was established in 1935 or "ancient India" when India was created in 1947).

Go to Talk:Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar. If you can convince me, some other will do what I am doing. Discuss this on talk page and everyone will listen. Those who will not, will be blocked. That is the way wikipedia works.
I have said it many many many times. I don't agree or disagree with you. Even if I do, it doesn't matter because it is WP:POV. We are here to create an encyclopedia which can be used instead of expensive ones of closed nature. That. Is. It.
By the way, is User:155.69.104.27 you? If yes, are you evading block? Just a suggestion, please don't do that otherwise you might get banned for yet longer period of time and you will again blaim it on all the 'Indian' 'nationalists' etc. User:Unre4L did it by mistake, and got blocked for longer time.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 08:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, please check the facts before trolling on my talk page: [4] --æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 12:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You don't even have a real "source" if google hits are the only way you can justify pushing your POV into articles.You're threatening statements above,similar to that of Rumpalstiltskin223,shows how over-confident you have become from the backing of biased Admins at your side.--Nadirali نادرالی

Chill out dude! I know that you are frustrated because you think 'Indian' community is hijacking and being racist, and are venting off at me because I am of Indian origin. But relax. May be it is happening, I don't know, but it does not mean everyone here is like that.
Regarding real claim? How more real do you want to get? Those are not some 'google hits'! Look closely, they are papers and books published before 1946 (there are more results for 1947, but I avoided overlapping). May be you would have liked it this way:

http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/2366135 http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/1299464 http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/1140713 http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/2847466 ... so on so forth. Now if you don't want to accept, it is upto you. I am stopping this conversation. PS: Reply on my talk page. I reply on yours... that is the wikipedia way.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 12:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Many people reply on their talkpages.As for admins,there is an entire category of Indian admins while pepsidrinka is the only Pak admin I know of.Still,I haven't seen him blocking the Indians for disagreeing with him.Some of these Indian admins even have the template saying they are proud Indian admins. I can provide dozens of sources about your other claims being wrong,but that will only lead us into another long and tiresome debate which i have been through dozens of times,so you are being wise by ending it here.--Nadirali نادرالی

I said that because I don't watch your page. Have your way. I also used to reply on my own talk page when I learned that there are people much more busy, and they have no time to come back at my user talk page to read what I wanted to say to them. And to me, it sounded reasonable, and replying on the talk page looked a lot arrogant, though others may disagree, and say there is no point in having 2 copies of same conversation. But I guess you are not very polite anyway.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 17:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Enough.End of conversation.--Nadirali نادرالی

I have checked the IP info, and it is in Singapore. Since I suppose you are in Canada or Pakistan, I apologize for suspecting you of block evasion. It is a real pity that I didn't do so earlier. It really didn't occur to me somehow.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 14:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, if anyone cites this section against you, please feel free to cite my apology.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 14:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RFAr notification

Hi - I request your attention to this. A request for arbitration has been filed involving you. Rama's arrow 17:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, your statement (as an involved party) is necessary. Rama's arrow 17:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This strikes me as an "anti-Pakistani" RfAr. It is an open secret that WP has Pakistani vs. Indian tag teams pitted against one another. This makes it very tedious and frustrating for neutral editors to get anything done, and it would be the job of the arbcom to implement sanctions that allow admins to deal swiftly and effectively with such unproductive behaviour. As such, this RfAr is necessary. But surely the arbcom doesn't want to rehash "India vs. Pakistan" with a sleuth of different usernames every four weeks. The pattern of the problem should be recognized and addressed. You would expect that a good faith RfAr would list both sides of the Indo/Pak divide, but as it happens, only Pak editors are accused, while the Indian team isn't so much as mentioned. Both sides are misbehaving (Unre4l was particularly hilarious, while the Indian team achieving an essential deadlock on India recently), and both should be reviewed. Feel free to cite this diff in your "statement" section as my outside view (there is no third party comments section at this stage). regards, dab (𒁳) 17:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree (more or less) with Dab. I too will wait to see if they will allow third party comments, if they do, I will be happy to address the issue; if they don't, I will write a more detailed statement on your talk page for you to use. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
BhaiSaab was persian and TerryJHo was an Indian Muslim (though hkelkar thought otherwise).Bakaman 21:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

check this out

I think anyone is allowed to give their opinion in an arbcom , check this case out [5]as it would give you an idea and as a lot of the users in this case were involved there also. Rama's Arrow has been a very balanced admin ( in my opinion at least) and your case against just him would be weak. Take a leaf out of what dbachman is talking about and look to increase the number of users who push a POV contrary to yours. Haphar 08:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do check the details of this case[6]. As it does show that It's hard to predict an arbcom outcome,It's not right or wrong as you understand it that decides an Arbcom, but your adherence to wikipedia's rules in the past. So personal remarks, 3RR, rude behaviour does more damage than "being proved correct"- so do your homework.Haphar 08:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

And does contributions come into this? Here are some articles that I wrote:

Note:There are other articles that I'm working on writing up soon.I am also a volenteer to warn off vandals.

I have only 2 3RRs on me one of which isn't really suppossed to count since it was over a tag on a talkpage.As for personal attacks I have only one block on that.I really don't consider the blocks imposed on me by RA as justified blocks which I will also prove to the Arbcom of in full detail with evidence.--Nadirali نادرالی

I was not commenting on you personally here when I mentioned personal remarks and 3RR/ rude behaviour, while contributions does count and influences people, other reputed user's( non controversial)testimonies about your work count more than a personal show of what all one has done. But in an arbcom like this it is not just you but the conduct of all named parties in terms of rudeness, 3RR, incivility, blocks that would get mentioned, just your conduct get's to be irrelevant. I am not aware of the full details of this case, but I think on these counts ( ie 3RR, rudeness/namecalling) RA would come out cleaner than the rest of you, specially since it is 4 of you , some of which may have been ruder than the rest. Hence do look at above case to get insight into what all counts, and how the Arbcom thinks.Haphar 16:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I read that case before you mentioned it.As i said the evidence I have against RA is solid.He blocks people on what he sees as "violations" and up to 5 users agree on this.If I get banned,then that shall be my fate.I don't think there is much i can do about that.--Nadirali نادرالی

The case against you is accusing you all of having a POV and pushing it to the extent of being disruptive. You should rather than just focus on RA's action against you, also highlight the same transgressions done by others that were overlooked by all. RA can choose which transgression to punish, as long as it is a transgression- he is not supposed to be in charge of every dispute on wikipedia and take action against all transgressors. As long as your fight only focusses on just his unfairness, you would have issues- No one focuses on why an admin did NOT act against someone ( See this :- [7].- and guess what this arbcom admin has got involved in this case) Show the fact that you were responding to the same behaviour that you are being accused of, and that the others have not even been warned for similiar behaviour Haphar 16:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Will do.The evidence I have shows that I'm on the right side.The rest is for fate to decide.Thanks for your concern.--Nadirali نادرالی

I agree with Haphar's comments. You should think carefully about what you want to say in the RfArb. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Your signature

Hi, Your signature should have the time stamp on it. For some reason, it is not showing up. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've added the time stamp to your WP:ANI report. What you do need to point out in your RfArb statement is that the request initiated by Rama's arrow was filed 16 minutes after (and therefore likely in response) to your initial filing of a report against him at WP:ANI; otherwise, it gives the impression that he (RA) has initiated the request only as a concerned neutral administrator (and not, perhaps, in immediate reaction to something or as an administrator who might be involved in the problem himself). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

chandrasekhar

I dont recall editing that section of the page lately, if I did then British India would be the term I would use, as his religion is more important to me than his nationality.Bakaman 21:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


Re: request

I don't have much to say on it right now, but would be happy to help resolve the situation. --IsleScapeTalk 14:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel(Talk) 21:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: this

Firstly, I feel I should make clear that I'm not a member of the Arbitration Committee - just acting as a clerk. Secondly, I only notify people who are listed as parties to the case (as it is they who must take part), or who have commented on it. However, if you wish to list Islescape as a party to the case, then you are free to do so. David Mestel(Talk) 07:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


Re:Muhajir remarks

The bottomline is you are responsible for having made those remarks. I don't care, my dear sir, about your background and conversely you should not be worried about the background of DaGizza or my own. It is no business of mine nor anybody else what your family background is. Believe it or not, I can't be less interested in trying to figure out if you're a self-hating Muhajir or if Szhaider is a Urdu-chauvinist. What is concerning me is how you folks have used all these different factors to disrupt Wikipedia work. That is why we are up at ArbCom right now.

P.S. - if you don't have anti-Muhajir sentiments, don't make anti-Muhajir comments in a place that does not care about your personal views. Rama's arrow 04:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
We are at ArbCom, exactly due to the kind of response you've given. Its a problem which the arbitrators will have to give a lead on solving. What's the point in saying anything more. Rama's arrow 04:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

India-Pakistan evidence

Info The arbitration committee has asked that evidence presentations be kept to around 1000 words and 100 diffs. Your presentation is over 2000 words. Please edit your section to focus on the most relevant evidence. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel(Talk) 08:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to your evidence section, and thanks for cutting it down: it's still a little over 1000 words, but probably close enough. David Mestel(Talk) 10:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I've moved your "Rama's arrow" remedy to the principles section, which seems more suitable. I hope you don't mind. David Mestel(Talk) 20:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nadirali, I got caught up with visitors and couldn't do the evidence portion. I plan to do it tomorrow morning. Will that be OK? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Will do bright and early tomorrow morning. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Pakistan project template

New experiments were by me under the proposals of the other user. I am afraid I cannot agree with your recent statement. The template says that the article is unrated which does not say it is defficient or contains any false information. I support the idea of ratings because in this way we provide a foum to the interested editors to assess the quality of the article ant give it ratings (you are welcome to rate any articles as you like). In this way more organised collaboration can be built in order to improve Pakistan-related articles. Anyways the expansion of the template is not complete yet. I will try to add an option which would allow us to use the original form of the template. Please let me know what do you think my opinion. Thank you for your prompt input! Cheers! Szhaider 05:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about?!

Hi Nadirali, There is no reason to give up. The battle has just been joined. Have heart! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Please have confidence in Arbcom. They are not beholden to what remedies other editors propose in the workshop. You have to trust they will be fair and direct your arguments to them (and not to the nickel and dimers) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: India-Pakistan evidence

Thank you for the suggestion! I'll move the evidence. Szhaider 01:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Links to http://www.cp-pc.ca/

I noticed that you have placed several links to this website. While it looks like a fine website from a reputable organization, I do not find the content to be extensive and detailed enough to be worth linking in every related article. For instance, many of the cuisine related articles are made up of a few paragraphs and a single recipe. While a good overall resource, it doesn't seem like a good fit for the external links on Wikipedia (at least in the several articles I checked.) Also, adding several links to the same website (even a reputable website) can be viewed as a form of linkspam. Consider adding content to the articles rather than a single external link. Nposs 04:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you comment. I followed-up with a comment on my talk page. Nposs 04:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I seem to have offended you and this was not my intention. At any rate, I certainly did not delete any of your added links. I removed to links added to Indian cuisine by and anonymous IP (diff). One was a link to an adsense riddled recipe site with affliate Amazon links and one to a celebrity chef website. You are welcome to revert my edits if it is your desire. Nposs 05:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:World Sindhi insitute

Good work Nadir,i will keep it in my watch list and will try to do some thing for it,to make it much better. Khalidkhoso 04:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar for you

Thanks for Barnstar Nadir.So nice Of You.Once again Thanks Khalidkhoso 19:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

why not to add some images in artilce World_Sindhi_Institute.Khalidkhoso 20:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hitman

Didn't the first game come out for playstation one?

Nope, it's the only one that wasn't released on any consoles. Probably why they remade so many of the levels in Contracts. --Ubersuntzu 00:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about editing your page. I obviously haven't been a contributor here for very long. I realized my mistake after I did it, which is why I made a new message here. I was going to delete it from your main page afterwards, but it looks like you noticed it before I could. Thanks for being understanding, though. --Ubersuntzu 00:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Question

There is one thing I have never understood. Doesn't 'Paki' mean 'pure'? I understand that when used in negative tones any word can be insulting, but this word out of all words is considered a racist comment despite its meaning. — Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 02:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I understand now. Initially Pakistan was to be called Pakstan was it not? But the 'i' was added for a more cohesive acronym. So if that letter had not been added and the British racists had used Pak instead of Paki, then you guys could've just turned back and thanked them for calling you pure or whatever. :) Anyway, regards. — Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 02:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Opinion needed

Please read User_talk:Yousaf465#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pakistan and leave your opinion at my talk page. Szhaider 00:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:from Nadir Ali

Salaam Nadir Ali. Thanks for your apology. I do appreciate it. However, I have noticed that you have endorsed a block against me (see here). In light of your apoplogy, do you still agree to the endorsement of this block? It is my hope that Indian and Pakistani users should put aside their differences in hope to more efficiently building this comprehensive encyclopædia. Thanks again for the note. Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 01:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Alleged original research

Regarding your tagging of Physics and Star Wars as containing original research, I would appreciate some more explanation on the article's talk page about what is original research. I wrote the "Specific phenomena" section and know my way around the OR (now Attribution) policy, so I'm sure we can work together to excise any existing OR and resolve this issue. Thanks.--Kchase T 12:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Moved conversation to Talk:Physics_and_Star_Wars#Original_research.3F and responded.--Kchase T 16:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Cities of Sindh

Please see [8]. I have partially undid a revert and formatted the list of cities. Some cities seem rather unknown. Please check this list and add/remove the names of the cities as you find it more appropriate. Szhaider 18:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Please see [9] Szhaider 00:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Thank you for the barnstar. :) --Ragib 04:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Nadirali, I'm a little confused. Where do things stand with the India-Pakistan arbitration? There seem to be so many sub pages there that I can't seem to figure out what is going on. Are they anywhere near making a decision? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Nadirali, Just got your message. Will reply at length later after I've looked at the arbitration page. Thanks for replying! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nadirali, I saw the decision. It sucks. Will reply in more detail to your message tomorrow. Meanwhile, don't let this get you down. It's only Wikipedia. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the understanding

Thanks that you understand my position in that ugly RfA debate. I really wish I could make it clear to Unre4L and Szhaider as well. It seems I was not mistaken when I thought and repeatedly stated - Nadir is one of our finest editors. The same is true for Rama, Baka, Unre4L and Haider as well (okay, there's still some difference in quality, though). I really can't stand to see you people warring like this. And beating around the bush, missing the core points when putting evidences forward is probably aggravating the situation further. I really hope this mess is cleared up soon. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 15:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the appreciation you showed in giving me a barnstar. Aditya Kabir 16:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

How wikipedia really works

Here's an email i got from a person who saw my unblock request email:

I follow Unblock-en-l and your case appeared in it, hi. Anyone who belongs to the dominant block of opinion on any subject can get anyone else blocked. Wikipedia has no policies, applied consistently.

All the admins who talk on Wiki-en-l (Unblock-en-l was set up separately from it summer 2006) openly admit counting any shred of personal fairness as mattering less than developing Wikipedia as they wish. Blocking of only 1 side when 2 sides have done exactly the same thing that the block is supposed to have been for, is routine. It's what happened to me, and claiming to have any rights against a biased 2-day block actually was the offence that got me permablocked, after only 5 weeks' membership. Look at all these:

a voice from within Wikipedia's own system describes how the ArbCom and dispute resolution systems are rigged with discretionary catch-alls that always enable admin to win http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-June/024230.html on how force of group numbers dictates Wikipedia pages's content http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-July/025936.html this is actually called "don't bother reporting abusive admins" http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-July/025921.html

I was wary of how the umpiring of pages the whole world can fight over could possibly work well, but I was drawn into Wikipedia by a friend who was briefly (and no longer is, already!) having good experiences with sharing his medical concerns on a couple of pages on medical subjects. My Wiki name was Tern, and here are 2 administrators saying to me http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-August/027816.html http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-August/027817.html saying "You are not entitled to anything" and "Wikipedia is not a democracy."

On the nature of Wikipedia: http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-July/025583.html http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/08/322087.html http://spectrum-fairness.blog.co.uk/ tag "Wikipedia"

another recipient of this message contributed: Being unfairly branded a target in the midst of Arbitration, with the Committee turning a blind eye, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nobs02#Response_to_comment_on_Appeal http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmcdevit&diff=prev&oldid=96730874

and a former admin, leaving Wikipedia on 6 Oct 06: http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-October/054949.html " Too many admins whose first course is to insult a new user in order to see if they get a "reaction" so that they can spank the new user for talking back to an admin. I've seen too many admins block accounts for infinite duration on flimsy evidence or mere whim.

I've seen more accusations thrown around of someone being a "sockpuppet" of another user. Time and again, I looked through the edits, and I didn't see it. Instead, what I saw were users who were systematically hounded until they finally broke down and broke the civility rules, and then as an afterthought someone came up and said "oh, it doesn't matter, they were a sockpuppet of X anyways", thereby removing all culpability on the part of the abusive users who had spent time hounding and abusing the newbie...

The Wiki is broken. ... We, the admins of wikipedia, broke it. We broke it by being stuck-up jerks. We broke it by thinking we are better than normal editors, by getting full of ourselves. "

http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-October/054951.html http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-October/054957.html We're actually developing a reputation as a place of arrogance and nastiness, a place of heavy-handed thugishness, a place where people treat each other quite badly. That's bad for the project.

In a case concerning an argument about Crusades history, (http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/private/unblock-en-l/2007-January/002824.html if you can access Unblock-en-l archives) where an editor concerned about historical record came up against some strong religious feelings in favour of the Crusades' and was blocked, she has asked me to add her story to this information. "It shocks me that there are still people out there who are so ignorant and closed minded - they don't know the meaning of logic - yet it is they who write the Wikipedia encyclopedia: ironic." From her first message to Unblock-en-l, 19 Jan 2007:

" My account name is Agnes Nitt, I was blocked by Adam Bishop who banned me for this reason: troll. I will copy and paste the details: Your account or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Adam Bishop for the following reason (see our blocking policy): troll. On the discussion page of Crusades, after I was banned, he put this just after my debate: Agnes has been blocked, because I am impatient and she *** me off. Adam Bishop 00:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC) As is quite evident from the reason why I was blocked, and his rude comment afterwards, it is clear that I have had misjustice done against me. I didn't expect administrators to be so childish, and unacademic, I mean, just because someone was having a debate with me on the discussions page and I had been proving them wrong, so an admin comes along, disagrees with me, cant counter my argument, and therefore blocks me from editing, and to crown it all, he leaves an abusive message against me and ridicules me (out of context from the debate-he should know that this isn't a regular chat room, where he can poke fun at me, but a discussion page confined to the Crusades and related topics) Just because he knows I cant reply. I broke no rules, I wasn't vandalising, nor was I threatening, and I was banned for no reason (other than troll) except that I have different views. "

She closed "I believe I have put my case in trusted hands, and I hope you reply to me concerning this as soon as possible, as I can no longer engage in any debate." But was told "Please assume good faith regarding Adam Bishop's actions. He may have been overreacting, but is a generally respected administrator. " "I understand your point of view Herbert, but trust me, some people are brilliant and funny and nice etc, but when it comes to certain topics they become different people, ... And what I am saying is true, this whole idea that the crusaders were not too bad is myth, and shouldn't be in an encyclopedia, it's heavily Point Of View, " (you may know of Wikipedia's policy "no points of view"?)

A send-up by "Something Awful" of the aggressive tone common on talk pages, that creates these situations: http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=4288

Messages of support: "some of the people on there do seem pretty sarcastic and bullying .... some of the right-wingers on there seem to think mentioning anything negative but factual about Reagan or Bush constitutes bias and there do seem to be some nasty characters on there." - from Aspievision, http://s13.invisionfree.com/aspievision/index.php

"You are not the only one who has had problems with Wikipedia taking sides in a dispute, and being blatantly unfair to the other side without even giving them a chance to defend themselves." from FAMSecretSociety, a Yahoo group "Yes ... this is my opinion of Wikipedia. It suppresses anything that may be considered 'more than marginally controversial'. It's definitely in the same boat as the mainstream media without any shadow of a doubt. " - the forum of the British anti-ID cards site http://www.1984brigade.com/

" of late I've noticed that some independent contributions have been either radically edited or censored. I've not had time to check articles on 9/11, the London Bombings, the assault on Falluja etc, but judging from the way content was edited promptly out of articles on SSRIs, schizophrenia and Asperger's, there definitely seem to be operatives in place ready to clamp down on anything that may cast doubt on establishment canards." from Medialens, http://www.medialens.org/board/

Shalwar vs. Salwar Redux

Hi Nadirali, Since you had posted an opinion on the preferred (Wikipedia) spelling of this apparel, I was wondering if you could respond to Shalwar vs. Salwar Redux. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

The above entitled arbitration case is now closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Szhaider, Unre4L, Siddiqui and Nadirali are each banned from editing Wikipedia for one year. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel(Talk) 21:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ottoman language Wikipedia

Hello Nadirali

I am a history teacher from Istanbul, in Turkey. We need your vote [10] for opening Ottoman Language wikipedia

--Tarih 21:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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