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Influences

Death]], Rush, The Offspring, Thursday, Tool and The Used by claiming that those bands are not MCR's influences. Those are their influences, please stop it! Alex 101 03:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Source those influences with apropriate and reliable links to the band claiming them as so, until then they should remain off the page, there also does not need to be a list of every band the group listens to, you have stepped over the 3RR and vandalising for no reason. - Deathrocker 03:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Unless you can provide a source for this, do not add them to the article. --Kotjze 03:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Page protected due to edit war. Please come to a consensus here before requesting unprotection. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 03:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, I wasn't the person who first added this. Alex 101 03:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Ah... They were originally added by random IPs. Even so, they should have given a source for their info. --Kotjze 03:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I keep searching Google, and the only influences I find are these; "But Thursday isn't their only influence; reviewers have cited the Smiths, Morrissey, the Cure, and the Misfits as influences. And Way has even cited British heavy metal icons Iron Maiden as an influence." and "We draw off so many influences--Iron Maiden and the Cure, the Smiths and Misfits[...]" --Kotjze 03:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

If you have some external links you can turn those into specific citations to incorporate into a footnote. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 04:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/bio/0,,1721940,00.html?src=search&artist=My+Chemical+Romance seems to be the link - Deathrocker 20:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Are we all in agreement that we can use this as a reference and that uncited information can be safely removed? If so, I'm willing to unproect. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 20:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes but perhaps put the Smiths instead of both the Smiths and Morrissey, to avoid cluttering the article. - Deathrocker 05:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Just don't revert-war or you'll get the full 24 hours. Unprotecting. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 06:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


I am adding this line to argue issue with how the band coined their name. I was under the impression that the name was given based on the book by Dr. Alexander Shulgin, "Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved: A Chemical Love Story" I remember reading an interview quoting either Gerard or Mikey as this being the source for the name. - Mike G

Mike G, it was actualy a set of books by Irvine Walsh; I've seen it stateed many times by the band; in their books, and on the live DVD. Here is also a quote from a video documentary on them: "Mikey Way, the bassist of My Chemical Romance, used to work at Barnes And Nobles. He found a stack of books called "Ecstacy: Three Tales of a Chemical Romance". He told Gerard that if they ever formed a band, that they should name is My Chemical Romance." - SirRoss 11:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Genre

On Myspace, MCR was reffered to as Metal/Rock/Post-Hardcore, just for your information.

They're largely influenced by emo bands (and other rock bands that are known for influencing emo), their fanbase is largely within the emo scene, and their sound most resembles current popular emo bands. These guys are at least partly emo. It doesn't matter if they deplore the label, there should be a reference to their emo elements. 203.208.72.234 02:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)



I feel that an encyclopoedia should at least be uniform, and in keeping with that uniformity one should refer to the page on post-hardcore before labelling MCR as being so. With reference to this page, it is obvious that MCR bear none of the hallmarks of said genre. As much as MCR fans would not want to admit, MCR are a pop-punk band, simple as that. They play pop songs with a punk aesthetic. Whatever abstraction of the term "post-hardcore" is being bandied around today is a falsehood - what characteristics do MCR share with the likes of Fugazi or Drive Like Jehu? None.Jaworski716 04:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)jaworski716

release. It shares with its hardcore roots an intensity and social awareness as well as a DIY punk ethic, yet eschews much of the unfocused rage and loose, sometimes amatuerish musicianship of punk rock." From the wiki article on post hardcore.

Sound like MCR? Subtle forms of tension and release? Social awareness? DIY punk ethic? I don't think so. MCR are about as DIY as getting a workman in to do the job for you. No tension and . (UTC)

Not that I really care either way, but you contradict yourself in an attempt to distance them from with a punk aesthetic.", and then you came back and said, "DIY punk ethic? I don't way of the article, if the band claim to be "Post-hardcore" on their MySpace website then that should be noted. In the post-hardcore article on here, bands such as Thursday, From First To Last, Scary Kids Scaring Kids, etc are also listed as "post-hardcore" bands, this group are not a thousand miles away from them. - Deathrocker 13:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Pop punk is, in my opinion, pop songs played with a punk aesthetic. That doesn't mean the way the band looks. It's the quality of the sound. And DIY punk ethic stands on it's own.

I don't have a bias about the band. I just read up a lot on musical genre's, and post-hardcore is one that I read up on a lot. And from what I've gleaned, MCR have no discernable post-hardcore characteristics.

And since when have myspace pages been reputable source of information? Don Caballero swear blind they aren't math-rock, even though they're seen by many to be the very definition of the genre. The point is, it looks a lot more like you have an agenda. You seem desperate to call them post-hardcore, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. There are a lot more independent sources calling them pop-punk than there are calling them post-hardcore.

Put it like this - how many Drive Like Jehu and Fugazi fans are there that are likely to count My Chemical Romance as a favourite?Jaworski716 22:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

2nd/3rd generation post-hardcore. With the exception of I'm Not Okay, they really don't sound much like Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Simple Plan etc. Nor do they sound like Fugazi. But I can defintly see the simalarites between MCR and later post-hardcore bands like Thursday. --70.36.199.0 03:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It can't be that. It's goth-punk? - unsigned comment by Emile hsu

"Goth-Punk" isn't even a genre of music. - Deathrocker 18:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I feel what is currently in the article "...an American alternative rock band....The genre of music the band plays is highly debated, but they generally combine elements of post-hardcore, punk rock, screamo, and pop punk." Is quite acceptable and covers all the ground fairly well. --Bouyeeze 16:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


Good grief, a debate over sub-genres? They're a rock band. We don't need to get any more specific than that.

Oh, and to the fanboy/girl who wrote: "They usually combine elements of a lot of different genres, but if you call them pop punk, that's wrong. It's not pop punk because they are too adept at what they do." Get a grip, or at least learn how to write a coherent, relevant sentence. Rob 15:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Haha, silly. The Living End are extremely talented - about thirteen hundred times as talented as MCR - and they're pop punk sometimes. Good musicians can play whatever the hell they want. --Switch 06:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Also: There is a difference between "ethic" and "aesthetic". I suggest you look them up if you think that it's a contradiction for MCR to play pop rock with a punk aesthetic and not have a punk ethic. Good Charlotte definitely have a punk aesthetic, but most certainly don't have a punk ethic. --Switch 06:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Who gives a fuck?! MCR sucks...My cock.

Hey MCR has some metal influences like iron maiden along with hardcore punk like black flag and misfits. And who ever wrote that entry abve mine you suck ASS

Bitching about Genre, Pt. 2

FOR ANYONE TRYING TO CHANGE THE GENRE - PLEASE give a valid source. There's someone who keeps trying to change it to post hardcore with a reference to allmusic.com, which itself labels them as pop-punk.Jaworski716 09:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Emo category at the bottom since they're not Emo.

It depends on you definition of emo...but as for pop punk I'm goin to have to stop you there. Pop punk is Simple Plan and Good Charlotte not My Chemical Romance. A small percentage of songs have more of a pop quality to it but no as a whole the CDs are not pop punk at all.There aren't like a million little preteen fan girls flooding the store to get their CD. -Candy, unregistered

Uh, I don't know about you, but where I live, the main fanbase of MCR is preteen and teenage girls. Most of them also are huge fans of Good Charlotte and Simple Plan. That doesn't mean they are emo, but they aren't exactly all like, hardcore rock, you know. Definitely not pop punk. Probably just pop.

No. They are not Pop-Punk. Good Charlotte is not pop-punk. Good Charlotte is pop. Green Day would be an example of Pop-Punk. I'd say MCR are in general a rock band.70.36.199.0 04:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

We should settle on "Rock" to avoid all of these edit wars over genre. We'll still have plenty of kids changing it to "emo", but oh well.--Aleron235 00:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Just don't call them emo. I'm Not Okay clearly makes fun of emo. Barfing Rabbit

THEY ARE EMO!!!!!!! Even if they don't like the title.----SOAD_ROCKS

Not listing any genre I don't feel is an acceptable solution to the genre problem. Why don't we just have something along the lines of "My Chemical Romance displays attributes of many genres including pop-punk, emo, and post-hardcore." Sometimes bands can't truly be fit into a genre, but many can agree that they at least show characteristics of certain genres for sure. Just a thought that might finally solve this problem...Additionally, I agree with the people saying that regardless of what the band hates to call themself, if they truly are that musical genre, wikipedia should report the true genre, not what the band wants. It's like a fool saying he doesn't like to be called a fool, when in fact, he clearly is. --Bouyeeze 04:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it seems that the easiest thing to say is call them post hardcore, most people have a problem with emo, but they don't have a problem with post-hardcore (ahhh ignorance is bliss)

my chemical romance are a punk rock band. if you don't like their music, don't 'share' what genre they r. you don't even know.

Reda these and tell me how MCR fits punk rock. Dwnsjane2 13:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why we can't agree with what's on the article right now: "generally blends elements of punk rock, post-hardcore, screamo, and pop-punk." Whether you like it or not, MCR is very influenced by punk rock and uses elements of punk in many of their songs...listen to "Our Lady of Sorrows" if you don't believe me. Of course they're not a "true" punk rock band, but they are similar. As for post-hardcore, MCR is very comparable to bands like Thursday and At the Drive-In in terms of the instrumentation, especially their older stuff. And it seems as if we can all agree on screamo and pop-punk. It is not fair at all to call MCR "emo," especially considering the fact that a song like "I'm Not Okay" pokes fun at the "emo" trend. Listen to bands like Dashboard Confessional and Armor for Sleep and tell me how the hell MCR is "emo." I don't think subjects like prison rape and vampires count as "emo." Anyway, I also think MCR has elements of "pop-punk" because, sure, some of their music can be rather poppy. There is nothing wrong with that... so were The Smiths, but everyone loves them. Pop isn't necessarily a bad thing. Yes, in the long run, MCR is simply a ROCK band and I know we can all agree on that. But it is nice for a reader to be able to get a better idea of what the ROCK band sounds like... and I think the description on the article right now is very legit.


On The 'Life On The Murder Scene' dvd, MCR themselves say that their music has an element of punk to it.

I suggest you remove the comments about them being emo if thats disputed, label them simply as a Rock band, and then protect from anonymous/new users editing in them being emo. - The_Roflcopter

-they are most definately post-hardcore. look at their influences, listen to their music. Iii9ix3 03:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

NPOV and Cleanup tag

This article desperately needs cleanup and does not meet the standards of a said encyclopedia article.

1. The article provides little information on the history of the band. 2. The way it's written sounds like a fangirl wrote it. (NPOV) 3. There is way too much information on the present state of the band (who they are touring with, when are they touring, etc.) 4. The article is not arranged correctly, some subjects need their own headlines (there should be a biography section, present info/post debut, music video section, etc.)

I think I've made myself clear.

Punk rock?

They're currently specified as a "punk rock" band, which, whatever your opinion of them, is completely erroneous. Pop-punk, perhaps... certainly more closely akin to Green Day than bands like NoFX or The Ramones.

You want them listed as pop-punk because they're more similar to a generic (pop-)rock band than to two pop-punk bands? Kaaay. 3rd-gen pop-punk sounds good to me, as does post-hardcore if a little of a stretch. Same with the more generic pop-rock. They're still emo though. Slipknot can say they're not nu-metal all they want, big deal. Your music defines your genre, not that your genre's name has become an insult. --Switch 10:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Because a band refers to itself as one thing, that does not mean that that's what they are. war criminals do not define themselves as such. 'emo' is not a positive term, so no woner they avoid it. Joeyramoney 01:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

on fuse tv, gerard states that "the only thing truely punk about it (mcr) is the self expression" so they are definatly NOT punk pop, they dont even sound punk pop, or any kind of punk XemoXkidX

NOFX certainly have nothing to do with actual punk rock either. NOFX like MCR have more to do with Pop-Punk Californian skater related music. - Deathrocker 15:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

added a controversy and criticism section

I thought it would only be appropriate and I think it will cover many of your arguements.

I don't know if that is such a good idea. I feel like it is too POV against them. Though you definitely have good points in the section, they seem to being really anti-MCR. I think it is worth-while to keep, but should be re-written. I won't do it myself, because I am some-what anti-emo, so what I write may come off as POV. Someone else should, though. La Pizza11 01:12, 24
  • I agree, I'm tired of immature kids that vandalize a band's article just because they don't like said band, go for it.
Agreed.La Pizza11 19:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I gotta admit though, some of this vandalism is pretty funny.La Pizza11 17:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I also agree. If people make time to vandalize a band's page, then thats just a very sad existance. MCR should be respected for making thier own music, they dont deserve to be called "dead gay zombies" ect.

Lindsey8417 05:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Somebody needs to revert the fricking emo tags.
Why? Because they are now trying to distance themselves from a term that has become an insult? No. They're a third-of people all over the world hate a band enough to vandalise their Wikipedia page several times daily, I'd say it is the band that has a sad existence. --[[User:203.208.72.234|203.208.

Thats you opinion. However, other bands are vandalised just as much, and I wouldnt say that they have a sad existence. MCR are awesome.

That's you (sic) opinion. Again... having so many people hate you that your wiki page is constantly vandalised is a pretty sad existence. That applies to alll the bands people hate that much. MCR are not awesome. Again, they described themselves as emo in the past. Even if they aren't emo now, they certainly did play it at some point.

I would consider a 'sad existence', watching a wiki page of a band you hate and then informing others who gladly maintain it. Maybe if you dont have the bands best interests in heart, you should move on.

These guys are emo. I mean, the they wear eye-shadow which means they want to draw people attention to their dark appearance and outcast image. I mean, peopole fear that the new generation will be influenced by these goth rip-offs simply because they get picked on, bullied, and treated like second rate citizens. Big deal, I mean you should think about changing yourself to make yourself happy, not others look at you like a rebel. Even if people do dislike you forever, who cares, doesn't mean you have to turn emo, just smile and be as bright as you can! Anyways, I have a feeling because of the band's existance, the emo fashion is going to grow like a plague! I will never vandalise the page, but I will be going back and fourth to wonder, why oh why do they deserve mainstream recognition...?
Not sure, never heard of them before some vandals on wikipedia decided it was a good way to try and advertise the band to every wikipedia editor that spends much time checking the recent changes list. The old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity works particularly well on wikipedia, edit wars and vandalism on a page tend to make it more popular, not less. Not that I have any personal plans to buy any of their CDs at the moment, but I have now heard of them where I hadn't before. Sfnhltb 19:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoever added "Metal" as MCR's gender needs to see a psychiatrist, seriously.

"I would consider a 'sad existence', watching a wiki page of a band you hate and then informing others who gladly maintain it. Maybe if you dont have the bands best interests in heart, you should move on."
I think if you do have the band's best interests at heart, you should move on, fanboy. I have wikipedia's best interests at heart, and so should all editors. Please read, I did not say I hate them, you merely assume. I also think that, once again, their genre was at one point emo. You cannot refute that. Whether they are still emo is too much of a controversial topic to be put here, but when a band are considered "emo" by a large majority of their fanbase, by most of their detractors, by the pop media, and by themselves at one point, then they are or were incontrovertibly "emo".


I'm no fan of MCR, quite the opposite, but the flak they get is quite undeserved. Sure, they appeal to the faux-angst ridden teens of the West, but who cares? They're emo as hell, just leave them be. They'll grow out of it.

I think the page should be protected. Rob 21:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Do make a request with a good reason. Sysops can't act if you 're vague. What would be a good reason to protect?--Jondel 03:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that. The constant vandalism and defacing of the article perhaps constitutes a reason for protection? Rob 14:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Half-Brothers?

Someone stated that Gerard and Mikey are half-brothers. Until this can be proven, which I highly doubt it can be, it shouldn't be on the page. I removed it.

...?? w/e but i have proof that gerard and mikey are true brothers not half brothers....first of all they have the same last name...way...andthey were born and raised together...if thats not good enough 4 u i dont know wht is ...bye!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.79.252 (talk • contribs) .

I believe they are half brothers on their father's side, hence the same last name. Also on the Life on the Murder Scene DVD it shows Gerard's mother, and the lable says "Gerard's Mother" not "Mickey and Gerard's Mother". ` Lindsey8417

Biography

Why was the biography removed from this article? 64.142.89.105 04:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


I am adding this line to argue issue with how the band coined their name. I was under the impression that the name was given based on the book by Dr. Alexander Shulgin, "Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved: A Chemical Love Story" I remember reading an interview quoting either Gerard or Mikey as this being the source for the name. - Mike G

Why not add some hidden text

...to the Genre area, stating that there is a debate as to whether or no they are emo? That way, people like me would realize that it shouldn't be there. They seem emo, but until it's resolved it should be ommited.--69.145.122.209 02:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I, personally being a fan of their music, do not think they are emo in any sense, but it seems the rest of the world lable them as emo possibly because of how they present themselves (the clothing and makeup). That is a good idea to put hidden text explaining the emo issue, but it still wont stop the people who put it on there as vandalism. - Lindsey8417 02:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

True, but it will stop people like me who are trying to make positive contributions and don't realize this is a hot-button issue. --69.145.122.209 03:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
"Emo" in the modern sense isn't a genre. Still, groups with high-pitched vocals, pop-punk or post-hardcore roots, bad fashion sense and dark/emotive lyrics are being labelled "emo" these days. Even Coheed and Cambria. But whatever, if everyone thinks MCR fit into some vague concept called "emo", then that they are.
Why not just label it post-hardcore, people get pissed when you call it emo, but no one gives a fuck if you call it post hardcore, even tho they both grew out of the same thing, because post hardcore is basically just labeled a more melodic, less chaotic, less rough sounding, version of music based off hardcore, well, that's pretty much what they are.----SOAD_ROCKS
Your right that post hardcore seems to piss people off less. Emo and post hardcore did spawn from the hard core punk scene, but since emo is now more associated with the slang usage than the musical usage, it tends to get confusing. Anyways, the point is, we should just keep the genre general at rock. Because we can all agree that they are indeed a rock band.-Lindsey8417 06:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
That works, tho it's not very specific.----SOAD_ROCKS
I have noticed that Emo has been readded to the genre list. (It was NOT me who added it!). I have added fully visible text following it which reads (highly disputed - see the talk page.) I hope this calms the problem for the time being. Thanks Woodgreener 23:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Melodic Hardcore perhaps?

Melodic Hardcore

I think MCR is a PERFECT candidate for melodic hardcore.

Not really, they aren't hardcore. And there's no wikipedia article on that, apparently. MCR sound little like Kid Dynamite. --Switch 14:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, there is a genre called Melodic hardcore, but I don't think MCR sounds anything like the bands they list there. La Pizza11 20:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, read the description of MH, retard.

I really don't think MCR are melodic hardcore. But in any case, there's no source, so that shouldn't be added anyway. --Switch 13:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

But honestly, the description describes our genre argument perfectly;

Melodic hardcore is a subgenre of hardcore punk. It is more melodic with less fury than traditional hardcore. Melodic hardcore is not emo, nor pop punk, rather having an emphasis on melody, nonetheless some bands share common scene origins as emo and pop punk bands.

Now, that is PERFECT for MCR's genre; I mean, half of you say they're emo and half of you say they're pop-punk.

Rabid coathangers eat da world 22:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

No. Not melodic hardcore at all. As the article states, Melodic hardcore is not emo or pop-punk. It's not an emo/pop-punk crossover genre. Because if it was, it probaly wouldn't be called hardcore. Melodic hardcore is hardcore punk with an emo/pop-punk influence. It isn't a perfect genre choice because MCR aren't hardcore punk. Yes, some of their songs are agressive, but that doesn't make them hardcore. Dwnsjane2 06:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Genre

Stop changing the genre leave it as Alternative Rock to avoid confusion

Yes I think its time to stop the debating. I'm a huge fan of My Chemical Romance, but I dont fret over what they are labelled on an internet encyclopedia. Look - everyone is going to have their own definition of emo, their own definition of punk, this will never be resolved. We need to find a suitable alternative, and alternative rock sounds okay to me.Kokiri kid 07:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. Alternative Rock doesn't really fit them. They don't sound anything like any alt. rock bands I can think of. I mean no offense to their fans, but their not really umm, alternative enough to be alternative rock. Their sound is pretty mainstream. Dwnsjane2 13:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

And yes I say this having heard their newest album. Dwnsjane2 13:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you read the article on alternative rock? Because they are certainly alternative rock. --Switch 07:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Eh, now that I read it over. I guess alternative rock's okay. Dwnsjane2 05:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
What the hell is with crap like "post-hardcore alternative rock"? It's simple: they are pop punk, alternative rock, and emo (I base this off of LaunchCast). I understand that many My Chemical Romance fans have a problem with their oh-so-talented band being considered "emo", but the truth hurts. I'm sorry to say it, but "post-hardcore" doesn't exist. --emc! ╬ 18:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

">t a l k) 03:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

All of the emo losers I know listen to this *bleep*. MCR are emo (you know the "evolution" of punk), but nowadays emos deny they're emos, because they are always linked to self-harm, which I think is true, and why? well because I knew a band of emo girls that: 1 cut herself intentionaly while in class, another one e-mailed me that she was going to commit suicide, and another one said that she was going to kill herself in 2 years (thank God I changed from school) And all of them listened to MCR.


And that has what to do with what we were talking about? C'mon guy, this latest little debate started off as a simple suggestion and now it's just heated (Music) before commenting, which is really what everyone should be doing before posting their rants on emos. Perhaps I'm wrong though.


And actually I shouldnt generalize because the majority of the people on this talk page are actually calm and being reasonable, its just a bad few who are spoiling the bunchKokiri kid 07:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


they play them on this alt rock station i listen to at work. Alt rock is very general. but still.

--Danlock2 16:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Detractors

"Another critcism of MCR is Gerard's physical resemblance to Bert McCracken of The Used." Is this legit? It's been bothering me for a while now. Perhaps it just the wording. Why is this a criticism?Kokiri kid 23:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I second Kokiri kid. How can physical resemblance be a criticism?

And then the paragraph following that statement had only to do with 'mcr using their friendship with The Used to get a bigger audience". But its gone now anyway...Kokiri kid 00:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Its a criticism because it can be interpreted that gerard way imitated his physical appearance (ie: hair, clothes etc) to match that of the frontman from the used to get a bigger audience.

?????

After taking a well need wikipedia break for a month, I come back and the MCR page is completely changed! Can someone explain to me why there is no band background as there was before telling the different "eras" (ok, not really eras but I think you get the point)! And why is there only a criticism section? Maybe there is some kind of logical explination that I'm not seeing. -Lindsey8417 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

We are all very confused. People just keep editing $#!& based on absolutely nothing. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 04:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Criticism

i think the criticism part of the article is rather unimprotant. Most of the criticism MCR is being givin is just crap. first of all just cuz they wear black does not mean they are "posing" to be gothic, they are not gothic, just cuz their appearal is black doesnt make them goth. blacks a color, anyone can wear it and not be goth, ur not goth just cuz u are wearing black. second, the part about "sexual realations" with the other band members is also false. i dont know about the rest of the band but i do know that Gerard and Frank are straight, anything they do with oter guys is just a "joke" and plus frank is engaged and gerard has a girlfriend, there is no "sexual/gay realations." and lastly MCR are not becoming "sellouts" yes they are very popular now but thats no gotten to there head. STOP GIVING MCR CRAP BECAUSE THEY ARE A KICK ASS BAND AND DESERVE BETTER THEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE GIVING THEM. - lemonxsmoothie

Agreed. Could've put it in a less intense way, but still, agreed.

^^^^ thank you!! omg finally someone agrees! yeah i could have put it in a less "intense" way, but i was so mad and i had to get someones attintion. you rock cuz you get it thank you!!


Exactly. I try to explain what you just said to people, but they just think they're 'poseur' and whatever...they also think they're gay- MCR don't deserve any criticism. They're just human, anyway. They rock. Period. 210.50.189.54 07:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You have to have a nuetral pov on wikipedia..saying that MCR doesnt deserve criticism is very pov. If there are criticisms, they should be listed (and yes I say this as a huge fan). The point I was trying to make above was the criticism was too obscure to mention really, but I believe there should be a criticism section. My two cents...Kokiri kid 00:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

So... because you like them, people shouldn't say bad things or have bad opinions about them? Makes sense... Wait... I'm starting to see a problem with that...

Then add a criticism section to other bands. Leaving MCR the only band with this section is more POV, I think.

well, not many bands are criticised as much as mcr. to a lot of people, they are just a joke. Joeyramoney 02:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Green Day have their criticisms in their article (though not in a section). Simple Plan have a criticism section last I checked, same as The Used. Several other bands that are mocked in much the same manner do. --Switch 11:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

IRRELEVANCE

Ok I'm sorry but, why is there a Criticism section, its irrelevant to the actually content of the band itself, if you look at other bands like them, the criticism is included in the other content or it is simply not there.. i was told the only reason Wikipedia allows one is becuase bands like Green Day have extensive criticism sections, which in that case why don't they put that section in for bands like Fall Out Boy (filled with Criticism), AFI, and Blink 182, or for that matter why not every pseudo mainstream band that has had any form of criticism. Green Day is understandable becuase theyve been around for a much longer time than MCR. I personally think the criticism section should be deleted from the MCR page.

Seriously

look I've already written about the Criticism section being irrelevant, but I wish someone would take it out, because everytime I try and do it, it goes back, but anyway, i dont know if any of you have noticed that the CRITICISM section is almost larger than the actual Information, Bio whatever on them, which is kindof ridiculous

Half-Brothers?

ok yeah on the DVD it does say "Gerards Mother" not "Gerards and Mikeys Mother," but yet they have the same last name. did it ever occur to you that maybe Gerard was born to the lady who was "Gerard's mother" on the DVD, hes last name still would be Way. then possibly they divorced or something soon after and then Gerards dad got remarried to another woman and had Mikey. that way Gerard and Mikey would still have the same last name but just different mothers. Now im not POSITIVE this happend but it would explain why they have the same last name yet mothers are differnt. - LemonxSmoothie

That would probably be original research so I dont think it could be included in the article but its very possible.Kokiri kid 00:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Genre

not trying to get everyone all ticked off about the genre again, as it is an occuring argument. but i agree with what someone said earlier, their genre has nothing to do with the way they look. And that the genre cannot be decided based on YOUR opinion, the genre of a band is decided by the band and according to their label. I personally think that a genre should be left out on this page because the band has stated themselves that MCR sounds like: "nothing you have ever heard before." But if u feel that a genre is absolutly needed then you could just leave it as ROCK, as is it appears to be a struggle to agree on if they are emo or not, or you could just leave it as ALTERNATIVE, as some of you say they are pop-punk, emo, post-hardcore. but it would be most helpful if you would cite sources to their genre. I have found a genre that seems to fit MCR, this coming from Napster: "Based in New Jersey, My Chemical Romance is an alternative pop/rock and punk-pop band that has been compared to Thursday... while many of their songs are loud, fast, hyper, and aggressive, My Chemical Romance's work also tends to be melodic and pop-minded.... combined punk-pop's musical agression with introspective, confessional lyrics." so lets just leave out the whole emo thing, though i think their lyrics have some "emo elements", but we all cant seem to argree so just leave it out. - Lemonxsmoothie



... -_-; Thats very hypocritical saying only fans of MCR can post in a NPOV encyclopedia entry... You do realise your probably hurting things more by spamming on this board and telling non MCR fans to leave... And as well as telling people to leave if they dont listen to MCR, you tell people to stop listening to MCR if they have a problem with them being emo! I've already mentioned having a NPOV above. Now - in response to the emo 'argument' you posed. There is more evidence to suggest MCR are a different genre of music, not emo. We're using encyclopedic views to decide, what are you using? In a site like Wikipedia, if everyone got to put their opinions in the article and have the considered factual, it would be a fact that MCR are dead gay zombies. As for your statement that "It's up to the band to decide what they want to be called", they have already severed any links with being emo. And dont try and accuse me of not being a fan either, because you'd be wrong. Kokiri kid 06:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

oh my god......ok fine i deleted some of them...happy now? and second....i didnt say non MCR fans to LEAVE....i just think its rather stupid that some ppl who state that they dont listen to the band are saying that "oh well MCR is diffenatly pot-hardcore, or w/e." and i also didnt "accuse" you of not being an MCR fan. and ummm.....i stated above where i got the info about MCR's genre also....why dont u just pay attiontion.....im not basing their genre on my opinions like everyone else seems to be.....i told u were i got that info from....Napster....if u didnt read that part.... wtf....your not very good at understanding info. r u? because most of what you had said was not what i ment by what i said above. and also.... i dint say that MCR wasnt emo.... i know the band has made ref. to "emo elements" but i know what i dont really care anymore....just keep on trashing up this article and this band......its sad. and argue all you want about the genre and what not.... this USED to be an article people could go to to FIND INFORMATION....now its crap

Actually, I'll have you look at the My Chemical Romance’s page on Yahoo! Music. It identifies the band as emo (amongst other things). Or, go here, which also classifies them as emo. So again, I have provided two respectable links that classify them as emo. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 03:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Fans of MCR make the band sound like worship, haters obviously flame it. Just get people who have listened to the group and have done some research to write it. The emo music today obviously sounds NOTHING like its roots--does Hawthorne Heights sound like Rites of Spring, no; the emo today sounds nothing like this group in lyrics or musical composition. I wanted to clarify that once more. Whoever has labelled the group emo is obviously a scene kid or angry hater.

Anyhow, these are a few bands that MCR has been compared to in music:[www.mtv.com/music/artist/my_chemical_romance/artist.jhtml MTV], Tagomatic, MP3.com

  • Thursday
  • Cursive
  • A Fire Inside
  • At the Drive-In
  • Bayside
  • Aiden
  • Alkaline Trio
  • Nine Inch Nails
  • The Used
  • Funeral For a Friend
  • Exies
  • Thrice
  • Jimmy Eat World
  • Texas is the Reason
  • Story of the Year
  • Stutterfly
  • I Am a Ghost
  • Taking Back Sunday
  • Keepsake
  • The Used, SOTY, and TBS sound nothing like MCR in my opinion; but that's POV.
And a majority of the bands above are emo and alternative rock. Case closed. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 21:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


Lemonxsmoothie, I dont want to get into an argument but changing your words to make you look right, is wrong. Very wrong. If you take a step back and realise I'm a big fan of MCR as are you, we both want whats best, we just have different opinions, as does everyone else on the page! We have to work together really, to improve the bands page. So think about things logically okay? And emc I'm seeming to agree with most of what you have to say.Kokiri kid 13:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Genre?

The issue of genre of MCR has become the matter of dispute. Please discuss for consensus prior to unprotection of the page. -- Samir धर्म 06:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


I'm voting for Emo/Alternative Rock, based on the definitions of the genre's on their own pages, and emc's examples of bands that are considered emo/alternative rock and sound like MCR.Kokiri kid 13:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Emo (music)/Alternative rock. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 03:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I think MCR is pop-punk. Pop-punk is a fine description or melodic hardcore.
That's nice that you think that, but we use facts here, not opinions. But thanks for your crap input! --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 06:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Alternative Rock, to avoid arguements over minutae. -ryan-d 06:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is it such a big issue? Why can't someone just settle it and leave it alone. On their PureVolume profile, which is maintained by the band itself, it classifies them as Punk/Rock. On their MySpace it says Post-Hardcore/Metal/Punk. It doesn't matter if you don't think something is whatever. I'd say that what the band says that their material is would be the final factor. So I'd go with Punk/Post-Hardcore. -- Diehard2k5 16:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
What about if Beethoven had insited that he was a Punk singer (he has the right hair style?! Woodgreener 10:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Kokiri Kid- I do realise that you are a big fan of MCR, as I am. Seriously, I believed you the first time you said so. And yes we do have differnet opinions about the band. You want to try to work together? Fine, I say we go with emo/punk-pop. That way people are happy that emo gets in there, yet those who say the band isnt just emo get their punk-pop as well. Makes since because we have ref. to the band being emo and the band being punk-pop. but whatever, just decide so the bands page can get cleaned up. - LemonxSmoothie

or emo/post-hardcore. - LemonxSmoothie

First of all, there's no such thing as "post-hardcore", despite popular belief; this implies that hardcore is no longer current, which it is. And no, stuff like Green Day and Yellowcard are not hardcore. Second of all, the band can classify themselves as whatever they want, but professional music critics are whose points matter. Of course, some of you may be thinking, "well how can you void the band's own classification of themselves?!" I'll explain it simply by stating that, first, I have provided plenty of reliable sources that classify the band as Emo and Alternative rock, and second, the band can classify themselves under whatever they want, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are. They're not punk either; compare them to bands such as The Ramones, Anti-Flag, Sex Pistols and the like, and then we'll talk. I'll accept Emo, Alternative rock, and/or Pop punk. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 02:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

We should just call it Alternative. That fits emo, pop, punk, and possibly hardcore.That is also what iTunes calls it.Party29 15:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

emc- hardcore and post-hardcore do exist, they are infact an actuall genre of music according to "professional music critics," despite what you want to believe. There are not a whole lot of hardcore bands out there, but there are post-hardcore bands and I have given sources to "professional music critics" stating that the band is post-hardcore. because hardcore and post-hardcore are different. i say emo/post-hardcore or emo/punk-pop. you wanted emo included in their genre, there it is. - LemonxSmoothie

Punk rock should stay removed from the article completely, as nobody has even bothered to give a reason as to why they think this group are punk. Alternative rock would be the most acceptable.

Or maybe pop-punk, (although the way in which this term is applied to more recent pop rock bands is incorrect too, but thats another debate for another article) with some post-hardcore leanings. The group are not "punk rock", the sound pertains far more to the Californian bands of the 1990s who were called "Pop Punk" bands. - Deathrocker 15:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

they arent punk rock, no one ever said they were. I have and other ppl have provided sources for the band being Pop-Punk, post-hardcore, and emo. once again does anyone agree with putting their genre as emo/post-hardcore or emo/pop-punk?? - LemonxSmoothie

stop changing the genre until we decide on one that is MOST suitable. whoever keeps changing it from rock to alt. rock, stop. we are in the process of kinda agreeing on a genre. but leave it at rock for now until we decide.

alright guys so I'm confused...WHY is the genre such a big deal? I agree with lemonXsmoothie and it does not have anything to do with me knowing her personally....erm...i think...haha no just give them the general label of "rock" and I think we can all respect that....it's not about what people on wikipedia label them, its about how we interperate, realte to and enjoy the music. It's different for different people, therefore the genre's bound to be a subject that's argued over. Just leave it at rock. -simpleXtragedy


The genre is a big deal because this is an encyclopedia that is meant to contain facts. We cant just put something in there that is false. To give it the label of Rock is ridiculous: "The genre of rock is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined, with distantly related genres such as soul sometimes being included." It's just too vague.

So simpleXtradgedy, any relation to lemonXsmoothie hmmm? Kokiri kid 05:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

SimpleXtragedy is right, since no one is agreeing on the genre, we should just put it as rock. And to the one that said the genre rock is too broad, your right it is a broad genre but in some way all the bands that are rock bands have something in common, and thats what makes them a rock band. Again Simplextragedy is right in saying that we all as fans of MCR are interpretating their sound in different ways. We have failed to agree and establish a genre for MCR. But i think we can all agree that MCR is an American ROCK band.- LemonxSmoothie


...

We arent putting the genre as Rock. You didnt get your way so you've decided to promote something completely different so as to not let others have their way. On top of that, how bout you ditch the simplextradgedy, huh?

If somebody comes to the MCR page wanting to know information, they would see the tag Rock and think MCR is a rock band, instead of whatever they really may be. We would be providing FALSE information to encyclopedia users.Kokiri kid 23:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

THEN WHAT ARE YOU SUGESTING??!! AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU ARENT MAKING ANY PROGRESS ON THE ARGUMENT EITHER. I HAVE GIVEN SOURCES TO INFO CONCERNING MCR'S GENRE AND BASED ON THAT AND THE INFORMATION OTHER PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN, I HAVE SUGGESTED THE GENRE AS EMO/POST-HARDCORE OR EMO/PUNK-POP AND WHAT? NOTHING. I HAVE DONE ALL I CAN DO TO THIS POINT. YOU ALL ACT AS THOUGH YOU DONT EVEN WANT TO PUT A LEGIT. GENRE FOR MCR UP ON THEIR PAGE. MCR IS A ROCK BAND, THATS NOT FALSE INFORMATION. IF YOU DONT THINK THEY ARE ROCK THEN WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY ARE?! EMO, SCREAMO, POST-HARDCORE, PUNK, AND HARDCORE ARE ALL SUB-GENRES OF ROCK. I WAS SUGGESTING ROCK TOO BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE GETTING NOWHERE WITH THIS DISPUT.


Your making this even more ridiculous than it already is. Turn the caps off!

I'm sticking by my original claim of alt rock/emo - defending it from you. I'm not making progress because you dont seem to understand what i'm saying, as well as getting worked up over something stupid.

Rock is false in the sense, that if you went to a band you'd never heard of before, and the genre said rock... What would you think of them? You would they are plain rock. And while I havent brought any sources, emc brought enough proof (or I thought it was enough proof) to the table anyway. How about you calm the hell down like i said before and stop masquerading as someone else. It's pathetic.Kokiri kid 12:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


"On top of that, how bout you ditch the simplextradgedy, huh?" Okay so maybe I'm a bit tired from traveling or something right now but....huh? haha sorry.... hehe lemonxsmoothie, its kayla.... And i see what you mean about if somebody who's never heard MCR came and it said rock.... Just in case anybody's confused the caps wasn't me.... Hate caps.... This whole genre argument is a bit overdone although I see your point Kokiri kid.... I'll go for alt rock/emo.... however, i still think that MCR IS a general rock band, and you can sub-genre it as you please... -simpleXtragedy

posting again: ohhh i get that now...no, lemonxsmoothie is NOT me, we're just real life close friends... I'm a DIFFERENT PERSON! And guys, the genre it says on some anybody-can-edit encyclopedia isnt gonna change MCR, it's not this big of a deal!


I'm not going to respon untill every user with an 'x' in their name signs up to wikipedia. Its free.

And stop creating new categories for the same genre dispute!Kokiri kid 05:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure MCR aren't emo

They may be emotional or have a scenester style or whatever, but I don't think they're the genre emo, as in emotively charged hardcore (bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace (US))

The settings for the music videos, haircuts of the band members, and song names, which are excessively long and obscure, a traditional characteristic of emo, definitely make it seem like they are. --74.130.206.2 21:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it all depends on what you personally think "emo" is. I mean, the word "emo" is short for "emotional". But say, my pet died and I was upset, would that make me an emo, or would it just mean I was quite emotional at that time? And anyway, does it really matter what category they fall into in the eyes of the public? If you are a fan of the band, or any band for that matter, it isn't because they're emo, or punk or whatever, it's because you like their MUSIC. And if you dislike the band, it's because you dislike their MUSIC. Well, that's my rant anyway..

Singles

When has "This Is The Best Day Ever" and "The Jetset Life Is Gonna Kill You" ever been singles? While they are both great songs, they have never been singles...nor have "Cemetery Drive". The official singles are "Vampires", "Honey", "Headfirst for Halos", "I'm Not Okay", "Helena", and "The Ghost of You". "Venom" should also be included because it was a small radio single. But these other ones should not be included. And the video for "Vampires" was filmed way before the "Honey" video, and if I remember correctly, that was the correct order. I have made these changes to the page.--User:MJB12 17:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but when I was thumbing through MCR's submitted artwork for singles and such, there happened to be a Cemetery Drive one. Now, that probably means nothing, but it's just a thought. Venom is a single, as there happens to be a vinyl record of it, as far as I know.

Re:Genre

This is getting rediculous. First of all LemonxSmoothie is right. Emo/post-hardcore fits My Chem perfectly. SimplexTragedy is also right. We can all respect the lable rock for My Chem if we had to result to that. Second, Kokiri Kid, I dont know what your problem is but you need to see about getting it fixed. You said to LemonxSmoothie that you two should put aside your differences and try to improve My Chem's page since you are both fans. Well honey you have yet to do that, LemonxSmoothie has, but you havent. She has suggested two very well said genres for My Chem and you have done nothing but cut down her ideas. And on top of that you said that Simplextragedy was LemonxSmoothie just because they were somewhat siding with each other, you just said that because I think you very much dislike LemonxSmoothie, for whatever reasons. This is turning into a "no i dont like your ideas just because i hate you" type dispute rather than a dispute about the genre. It has become evident that we all interpretate My Chem's sound in differnet ways, as someone said earlier, but if you are a real fan and you absolutly love My Chem. then you WILL put aside your differences with LemonxSmoothie and try to settle this so that people can come to this page and see what kind of band My Chem. really is and hopefully start listening to them. So Kokiri Kid, why dont you do me a favor and get your head out of your ass, and back up your point about "putting aside your differences for the band's sake." I am good with Emo/post-hardcore, its perfect for My Chem. - ImxSoxRad - July 3,2006

Who cares, it's done. I give up. I seem to be the only one who actually provides substantial evidence, yes, evidence, of what their genre(s) is/are, not what I think they are. Have fun with your thumbs up your asses. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 04:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

emc is absoloutley right...he/she was the only one that provided any evidence. You three (one) people just claimed what you thought was evidence but it was actually just your personal opinion. And then you claimed no other evidence was brought for the other side of the case, but you were simply ignoring it. It's pathetic. I dont like to resort to personal attack but it's people like you that give MCR fans a bad name.

As for what genre, there were more people in support for the emo/alt rock then there were for anything else, so that should have been the genre, but obviousley it was ignored. Absoloutley ridiculous. "They are Pop-Rock/Post Hardcore, get over it!" - An awesome rebuttal...

(and in regard to the tag at the top of the page I was always trying to keep a cool head but these I'mxsoxrad ect people cannot be reasoned with. Kokiri kid 10:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

They are Pop-Rock/Post Hardcore, get over it!

Now, I really like MCR, BUT, people NEED TO GET IT THROUGH THERE THICK SKULLS that the are NOT EMO. Emo is Indian Summer & stuff, & they aren't even CLOSE to them. There frist album had MAJOR underground success(not mainsteam) So, Because of that, they should be listed as Post Hard Core/Alternitive. Now, because there newer stuff is more mainstream(although, NO ONE in my town like's them & they are NEVER on the radio), so POP PUNK is the other genre to be listed. People, GET OVER YOURSELF. You aren't emo by listening, heck, people CAN'T be emo, only bands can be(oh, & when MTV classifies ANY genre as emo, they don't know what they are talking about. Heck, they can t clasify ANY genre right.

I have to say something on this subject - PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT EMO IS!! Typical bend for the 2. wave of emo, Mineral, sounded very very much like MCR... The main characteristic is the separation of the guitars, so that every guitar has it's own chanel and using a special type of harmony including all 6 strings in strange chords, heavly distorded, of course... Guys from the Windows media site even compared them to At the Drive-In, so they would have post hardcore indie/punk elements... but i agree - it's not a large part of their music... To conclude - Bands that emerged from the underground scene for the last 15 years cannot be clasified into genres, because they combine all that's good in underground, even genres that hate each other...

Disputed

The Genre is disputed. Please provide factual support as to what the genre of MCR is. --ZsinjTalk 00:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: They Are Pop-rock/Post-Hardcore, Get Over It!

First of all, people have provided sources that have said the My Chem is an emo band. No, they arent JUST an emo band, but they have emo elements. Stop comparing them to other "emo" bands, because there are hardly any true "emo" bands left. We werent classifying My Chem.'s genre based on what MTV says, so i dont know why you even brought it up. And whoever but "Neo-Goth" in the infobox; needs to stop, My Chem is not goth, nor anything close to goth. And here is not the place to say how much you love Gerard, or how much you want to be in they're next video or a place to but your address or phone number; its not like Gerard is going to see that or even give a crap about it. - ImxSoxRad 15:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Their real genre

To finalise it, I think that MCR are Post hardcore, Alternative rock, pop punk, however, their music contains elements of emo and metal. DavidJJJ 10:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Metal? How? Dwnsjane2 20:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you just say that I give My Chem. fans a "bad name"? If that "personal attack" was directed to me, then I will tell you the kind of people who give My Chem. fans a bad name. And that is those who say the listen to My Chem when in fact they really listen to rap and dont even actually listen to My Chem's music they jsut like them because they think the guys in the band are "hot." And thats not me, I actually listen to My Chem and go to their shows and ect. I dont just like them for their "image", I could actually care less about what they look like, thats why they are musicians and not actors, its not about the way they look, its about their music. Now with that being said, I'm going to state what My Chem has said themselves; and your so up-tight about me not giving "evidence", but LOOK LOOK!! I have evidence for what I'm about to say.

My Chem. could care less about what people call them or genrenize them as; they dont even genrenize themselves. To them, its about the message that they get out through their music; and that is "that its okay to be messed up, because there's five dudes just as messed up as you." And that My Chem as a habbit of saving lives. And they sound like "nothing you ever heard before."

^^ that up there is coming from Life On The Murder Scence. Maybe you should watch it. They also said that at the KROQ concert in 2005, heard it myself. You cant compare My Chem to other bands, or other bands to My Chem, they are too unique. - ImxSoxRad 15:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I've heard plenty of band that can be compared to them, and plenty of bands that sound like them. Just because they say they are unique, doesn't mean they are. Your so called evidence is what the band thinks of themsleves.Dwnsjane2 20:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Holy crap, shut up about it. It's done being disputed, your input is no longer required. Alternative rock, Pop-punk and Post-hardcore or whatever the hell it is. I don't agree with it, but that's what they've classified it as, so shut the hell up: seriously. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 21:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Emo revisionism

All emo bands have now reclassified themselves as "post-hardcore" after emo became associated with "selling out", "posing" and "faggoth".

First of all, every single "rock" (of the somewhat "harder" variety - i.e. distorted guitars etc.) is open to allegations of selling out and posing once they achieve some commercial success and some magazine asks for an interview with them.

Black Metallers might label emo as "faggoth" but the same term has been applied to some of the most "extreme" bands in "grim" Scandinavia.

The reason hysterical Wikipedians keep reverting edits that state that a band are "emo" is because they love the band so much and they'd hate to see them labelled as sellout posing faggoths.

This is completely ridiculous. Get a grip here, people. The word "emo" is now caught by VandalProof, for fuck's sake!!

There is nothing intrinsically "sellout", "posing" or "faggoth/gay" in emo. It's just a genre. Emotional Hardcore Punk.

My Chemical Romance are a Punk band of the hardcore variety that draws some influence from post-1980s metal, as does all hardcore (and vice-versa but that's not the point here). Their lyrics are highly emotional. They are, therefore, an emotional hardcore punk band. This means Emo.

I don't personally like MCR. I don't think they are sellouts and I'm sure they're not gay despite looking like wusses, frankly. I don't think anyone can dispute that they are posers, especially that lead singer. Good God! "You're so vain" was written with that bloody poser in mind!!

The fact that I have labelled them "emo" however is no insult to them. I could insult them by trolling the page and calling them a bunch of poser fags and point out the obvious in relation to their album "You know what they do to guys like us in prison". You said it, guys.

If anything, calling them emo (which they are) is more of an insult to emo than the other way around. One of my favourite bands at the moment has to be Funeral For A Friend, who are most definitely an emo band (though no doubt some Wikiwanker will have also cahnged their genre to "post-hardcore" and reloads the band's page every five minutes to make sure nobody has changed their genre back to emo).

MCR are an emo band. It's no insult to them. There are many ways to insult a band but giving them their correct genre is not one of them.

Anyway, what do you loser Wikipedians do all day? Do you have jobs? If so, your bosses should fire you because you don't add value. All you do all day is get emotional about your post-hardcore punk because the lot of you are the type of "Emo fags" that gives the genre a bad name. It's you guys ruined Emo's name - don't think the same won't happen with "Post-Hardcore". In another couple of years all "Post-hardcore" groups will start reclassifying themselves because of "Post-hardcore sellout poser faggoths".

You have been warned.

Look, I've been arguing pretty much the same thing you are for quite some time, but these grade-A morons, even when I give them links to credible music sources that cite them as emo, still insist on using the term "post-hardcore", as if such a term really existed. Who the hell says "post-hardcore" anyways?:
  • Tim: Hey George, what are you listening to?
  • George: Nothing, just some post-hardcore, you know.
  • Tim: What the hell is post-hardcore? You know that for anything to be post, it has had to happen afterwards. So you're suggesting that you listen to music that is after the "wave" of hardcore music, which suggests that nobody listens to hardcore, and since you used such a broad genre, you could actually be listening to the Backstreet Boys.
  • George: ...What's wrong with the Backstreet Boys?

Come on people. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 01:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


No, you have it backwards. People are quick to not label them emo because they hate the band and understand that them being called emo is an insult to emo. Emo "revisionism" began when bands like this started being called emo, not when people started coming up with other names to call them.

If you knew anything about the history of emo music, you would know My Chemical Romance has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

And just because you don't understand the definitions of genre names that are more than two syllables, doesn't mean they're invalid.

No I completely understand the suggested definition of the post-hardcore genre, but as I've already pointed out, there is no such thing as "post-hardcore". And if you yourself understand anything about music history you'd know there was no such thing. And no, it's not the other way around. People are very quick to label them as emo because so many MCR fans are offended by it. Perhaps you should get out of your house and get some friends, or when you turn 12 you can have your mommy buy you a life for your birthday. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 03:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
There was a "wave of hardcore", just as there was a wave of "punk". Started about '79, just as first generation punk was dying, and ended around '84, as most of the major hardcore bands broke up within two years of that year. However, "post" in music does not mean that it has to have happened "after" a "wave" of a music style - in fact, what it generally means is that the genre is a style of music rooted in a genre, but expanding far beyond it in style, instrumentation and influence - as with post-punk, even post-rock (as far as I'm aware, rock music being fashionable isn't over yet {just good rock music being fashionable}) and yes, post-hardcore. The fact the term has existed for over a decade is a fair indication of its existence. The fact emo (by which I mean 21st Century "emo", aka absurdly melodramatic pop-punk with bad singers, not actual emo, which is emotive hardcore punk) bands are distancing themselves from the now-insulting label "emo" (just as happened with nu metal) and replacing it with a genre similar, but different to, actual emo (and in so doing, co-opting yet another music genre's name), i.e. post-hardcore, does not mean the genre does not exist. Please, stop your pretentious and conceited claims about your unique knowledge of musical history. Post-hardcore exists. MCR have been labelled as emo since before emo was insulting, and they are the very pinnacle of the modern definition of "emo". Live with it. And don't insult based on age, kid; you're a tween, and your whole three years of experience over the "twelve-year old" apparently haven't given you enough of a life to stop playing Runescape. While I loathe Plato, you should follow this particular piece of his advice: "You are young, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions. Refrain therefore awhile from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters."
Now, back to wha matters: one, this page really needs to refrain from personal attacks. Two, MCR are considered emo more widely than anything else, and that is what they should be noted as. --Switch 17:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Just because they are widely considered something, doesn't mean that it's accurate. If every band that people thought was emo actually was, then the term "emo" would be completely without a definition. And that's not an exaggeration. Emo today is consider either melodramatic whiny pop-punk (i.e. MCR) or anything with soft guitar and vocals (i.e. Dashboard Confessional, James Blunt, every acoustic indie singer in existence). It just gets too confusing. The fact of the matter is:

1. My Chemical Romance has nothing in common with any traditional emo bands.

<sarcasm>Indeed, because no emo bands are fronted by a pretty boy who sounds like his voice is breaking but hasn't quite broken yet. Also, no emo bands have lyrics that are tearful and adolescent. Also, no emo bands music sounds anything like MCR. Also, no emo bands and their hysterical fans have re-labelled themselves as "post-hardcore" because of bands like MCR lving right up to the whiny poser faggoth image.</sarcasm> MCR and their ilk have done more damage to the label "emo" than the Nazis did to the Swastika, a formerly spiritual symbol of ancient Indo-European cultures.

2. My Chemical Romance is pop-punk. There is absolutely nothing musically that distinguishes them from other pop-punk bands except their image, which people read way too much into.

And their music, and their fans...

And emc, for the record, I'm four years older than you, have more musical experience, and clearly know way more. So why don't you stop stooping to "insults" involving people's age that you know you can't back up and stick to the issues here.

OMG!!! Well, not only am I not a teenager any more but I have two degrees so how dare anyone question my opinion!! Let's not get too emotional here people. No, of course none of you would ever get emotional because none of you are emo. >rofl<

MCR are not emo and are not really post-hardcore in any way I can point out. But they definitely aren't emo.--Clintisiceman 19:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

They definitely are.

Emo is a form of post hardcore music, it has been this way since the 1980s. Rites of Spring are emo and post-hardcore... that band first put an album out in 1985.

If you think this band are "emo", then you should have no logical problem with them been considered "post-hardcore". - Deathrocker 19:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The term "post-hardcore" is utterly stupid but I don't have a problem with it. I do however have a problem with you continually editing out the genre "emo" when that is one of their genres.

What the fuck are you people all so concerned about the credibility of any band that remotely claims adherence to anything near punk? The Sex Pistols were manufactured as hell and the Ramones are more bubble-gum pop than anything. The real iconoclasts in music are largely ignored by most "punks". (I'm not saying MCR are anything near that but still).

Final solution

I think we should just put MCR's genre as disputed, like on the HIM article. Any objections should tell me on my talk page. DavidJJJ 18:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm just glad there was finally a dispute between logical, smart people, we need to take a vote I think..

Something needs to be done. It said MCR was a "really really emo" band which is not even a genre or anything at all. I think it was fine how it was: Alternative, Post-Hardcore, and Melodic Hardcore. Maybe Punk Rock with that too. But if it needs to be disputed, than it needs to be disputed. People need to stop editing it, because it's just a genre... who really cares?! But "really really emo" is not right because "really really emo" is nothing. So, whatever has to be done, lets get it done so it isn't always changing. Orfen 21:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

How about calling them "Extreme Emo", as a subgenre of emo? It would look almost as ridiculous as the Swede-core article. I mean, who on earth comes up with this nonsense??
Amen to that. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 03:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

okay, what is with the Criticism section of this article? What purpose does that serve? Most of what the so called "criticism" My Chem. gets is nothing but rumors that little teenies make up because they for some odd reason think its funny. Most of which are false, like the statement about "relationships" between My Chem.'s members and other band members, if you knew anything about My Chem. or even The Used you would know that neither Gerard or Bert are gay/bi. There is a difference between Criticism and rumors. The criticism section should go because this is an encyclopedia that is supposed to have relevent information and not false information containing the bands member's private lives. Now if this information WAS relevent and Gerard WAS gay/bi then thats his choice to make. Just get over yourselves, not everyone is like you, everyone has the right to make a choice of being straight,gay,bi, whatever! Personally, it seems that this criticism was written by a bunch of haters who are a bit "jealous" because My Chem seems to be getting more popular or more publicity than whatever band they may like. But im just trying to make the point that this whole "criticism" thing is more like rumors and should be left out of the article. - ImxSoxRad 23:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Despite the merit of the rumors and criticism, they're in the article because they relate to My Chemical Romance. It's a no-brainer that rumors about a celebrity's personal life are most of the time false, however, one cannot deny the existence of such rumors, which are the only real concrete truths about the rumor: the existence of the rumor itself, and that is what this article relays to the reader; not that the rumors should be believed uncritically, but that the rumor’s truthfulness should actually be viewed critically, allowing the person reading the article to draw their own conclusions (see Wikipedia’s NPOV policy), thus noting such rumors is relevant despite the nature of the rumors. Overexposure is not the problem nor fault of Wikipedia, and criticism is a highly mentionable part of any person or group of persons in the public eye such as My Chemical Romance, and to suggest that it be removed from the article is ludicrous. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 00:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

okay, i guess that some-what makes since. Even though I dont see how a "physical resemblance" between Gerard and Bert would be criticism. And it seems like this section is more criticizing My Chem. fans, rather than the band its self, by calling the fans "obsessive" and whatever those other names were. - ImxSoxRad 15:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Am I the ONLY one who thinks the criticism section should be removed altogether? First, it seems to be aimed more at their fanbase, then the band itself. Second, now there's a bit saying their "androgynous" dress style is a criticsm. It goes from the fans to the band all of a sudden. CD Amadeus 22:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It definitley should not be removed, it is an encyclopedia after all.Kokiri kid 09:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to take up some space here to thank whoever editted the Criticism section. Just a thanks. xP CD Amadeus 00:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone removed the Criticism section altogether. Thoughts? CD Amadeus 02:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

It should be removed. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought Wikipedia is not a place to publish your own thoughts and analyses or to publish new information not heretofore published. Please do not use Wikipedia for any of the following:

3. Critical reviews. Biographies and articles about art works are supposed to be encyclopedic. Of course, critical analysis of art is welcome, if grounded in direct observations of outside parties.

What you've got under "criticism" is decidedly not "critical analysis grounded in direct observations of outside parties," and therefore MUST go. Bustter 02:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Since people do seem to be attached to this section, I'm willing at this point to help bring it up to Wiki standards, if others are willing to work with me to do so. I think the most important thing to remember in regard to this section is that the Wiki policy strictly forbids "original research." This means that ever statement of fact, even if its a somewhat abstract fact about people's opinions, must be backed up with citations. Please see Wikipedia:No original research, which will make it very clear that much of what is in there now is contrary to policy. Bustter 17:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Relationship With The Used

Why is the Relationship With The Used section up at the top? I think it should be down towards the bottem because it contains information that did not happen in the beginning. I don't know, it just doesn't feel right up there at the top. Orfen 04:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, there should be a citation for Bert saying that they were "messing around". Not to mention Disenchanted being some sort of message to Bert and The Used. CD Amadeus 07:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I noticed it looked a bit off being right up the top, even before their biography! Yes it should be moved down, probably next to Criticsms.Kokiri kid 09:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Should Be Removed

Cemetery Drive and The Jetset Life ARE NOT and NEVER WILL BE singles. They need to STOP being added under singles. "Things That Make You Go MMM" is unauthorized and will not be released - this should not be included in the article either. They have been deleted several times, DO NOT re-add them, please. --MJB12 04:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Please sign your posts. Thanks. --emc! ╬ (t a l k) 20:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops, sorry! --MJB12 04:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

More fun Emo talk

"MCR said they're not emo, so they're not" The fact is, MCR aren't the ones to decide. The media is.

Me? I can say I'm Spiderman - but that doesn't mean I am.

If the masses believe they're emo, then they should be noted as such.

Now, there's a huge base of people who would call them emo. Possibly larger than their fan-base. I believe that Emo should be officially recognised as on of their genres.

I believe that it should be noted as such, but some of the reason they are labeled emo is because of the way they dress. However, their music does not sound emo. It's more than that. Orfen 04:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The masses can also be misled to believe that the sky is made of blueberry cotton candy, that doesn't make it true either.

The truth is, the masses are extremely confused as to the definition of emo. My Chemical Romance are not emo. The idea that bands like My Chemical Romance are emo has grown out of a misconception that occurred early on in the decade when bands that had formerly been a part of the post-emo scene began to become popular and, despite the complete change in their musical style, still were associated with "emo".

Seriously, if we let every band that "the masses" consider to be emo get labeled as emo, then 95% of modern pop rock, no matter what it sounds like, will be called "emo". Have you ever noticed how teenagers throw around the term "emo" to describe anything that's sad or whiny or has soft guitar and low-key vocals? Shouldn't the fact that a word is used to describe so many broad categories with nothing in common suggest that people are using the word incorrectly?

--Clintisiceman 08:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Can't really put any definitive touches on there genre, but i prefer to refer to them as Emo influenced pop punk


Leave it as Emo (highly disputed) on the page, if that doesn't please anyone, then nothing will. I don't believe they are, but so many people do, fans and non-fans, that it is acceptable at this point in their career to include "Emo" as one of their genre styles, so long as it is grouped with the other styles. Their new album may change that completely, as the term "Emo" is slowly fading. --MJB12 04:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance's STYLE might be influenced in a somewhat "emo" way. Their style is a "horror" style which can lead many to believe they are emo. Their music (which is what the genre is defining) is not in any way influenced by emo. They are not punk rock, they are more than that, but I would have to say you can hear punk rock influences in some of their new and old songs. You do not hear emo influences in any songs. Just because you hear the words "blood" or "slit your wrists" or something like that does not mean they are emo. Orfen 04:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The Black Parade

I believe that The Black Parade is a band and not a song for the upcoming album. I might be wrong, but I think it is a band and not a single for the Rise and Fall of My Chem (or whatever the real title is).Orfen 05:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

For right now, no one really knows what the Black Parade is. While it has been reported that The Black Parade is a new band (signed with Riot Squad Records, founded by Brian Schechter - MCR's manager), people on MCR's street team have received promotional merchandise for The Black Parade (signed XOXO, MCR). There are Black Parade t-shirts being sold which on the back feature the words "October 2006" - which is when their new album will be released. Posters have appeared for "The Black Parade" which feature this date written in the same font style as "Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge" is on the album cover. In the widely circulated picture of Gerard's new blonde hair, there is some text at the bottom that reads "MCRBPCHARTEST03", which can be read as "MCR-Black Parade-Character Test". Also, for a new band, no one knows anything or is able to find any information about them beyond the fact that they are supposedly a band that has signed with MCR's manager. Therefore, people are highly suspicious that "The Black Parade" as a new band is a smoke screen for something much bigger that MCR is planning in relation to their new album - what that "something bigger" is, be it the title, a name of a single, or something else altogether - no one knows. --Maroonraven 14:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

small addition to criticisms

i added that a main criticism of them is that they are seen as very generic, marketable pop-punk. seeing as many of you people will fly off the handle over the slightest thing, no matter how obvious, i would invite you to discuss it here. Joeyramoney 02:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I personally think that that is a personal opinion, and therefore should be removed. Let me add, "Many critics say that My Chemical Romance and similar bands play generic, MTV-friendly music meant for mass consumption rather than artistic innovation." This is uncited, as to critics saying anything about that. That should flat out be removed if some general public view has no citation. Again, I'm sorry, but for a critical view, I really think there should be a citation... CD Amadeus 06:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. If a criticism is not cited to an outside source, then it is both original work and non-neutral -- both of which are against wiki policy.

Thr criticism section lacks notable citations (Message boards do not qualify for citation as critical analysis), and overall lacks neutrality, despite some attempts at even-handedness. As it is, the section as a whole is not worth salvaging. Bustter 08:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

       The Black Parade is not a new band, it's MCR's new album. But it is also MCR's alter - ego for the new record. They talk about it here... www.theblackparade.com

Boot Criticism Section Right Out

Wikipedia is not a fanzine, nor is it a rock-crit journal.

There is no reason whatsoever for this band, or any other, to have a "criticism" section, especially not one that completely lacks sources/citations.

Giving you all a chance to discuss the matter, or else revise it to make it somehow "encyclopedic" before I come back in a day or two to make the necessary deletion. Bustter 02:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. One of the main things that makes MCR notable is that a vast majority of today's youth are either strong fans or strong detractors, with relatively few people not caring much either way. Removing the Criticism section would completely remove that aspect of the band's career, reduce their notability and the relativity of this article, and give the article a POV slant. --Switch 05:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not whether i'm right or wrong, it is Wikipedia policy.

Check the policy statement Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.

I quote: Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought Wikipedia is not a place to publish your own thoughts and analyses or to publish new information not heretofore published. Please do not use Wikipedia for any of the following:

3. Critical reviews. Biographies and articles about art works are supposed to be encyclopedic. Of course, critical analysis of art is welcome, if grounded in direct observations of outside parties.

Everyone knows My Chemical Romance sucks. Get over it.

What you've got under "criticism" is decidedly not "critical analysis grounded in direct observations of outside parties," and therefore MUST go.

It could be replaced by NPOV reporting of critical analysis by notable outside sources. But what you have now is pro or con "fancruft" in the Wikipedia space, and that is not its intended use. Bustter 07:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I have added some properly-referenced material to "criticism," and noted where additional citations are needed. Without citations, this material becomes "original research," which is strictly forbidden by Wikipedia policy.

I did not note any needed citations in the "fanfiction" section, because I doubt any citations could be found -- this paragraph is almost certainly "original research," but I am leaving it for now on the slim possibility that an appropriate "notable source" for the observations made can be found. Referencing the fan fiction itself is not sufficient, the conclusions and inferences made in this section are "original work" unless they are properly sourced.

I'm sorry if people feel I'm being overbearing here, but sooner or later someone would feel obliged to bring this article in line with Wiki standards, and it seems I've volunteered to do so. I hope we can all work together to get it done right. Bustter 16:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


All bands are criticized, but Wikipedia is supposed to be a serious Wiki with verifiable information, therefore if a section or article doesn't cite sources it should be removed and I think it is unfair to disable editing if you are not going to address this issue with more than a "disclaimer." Quite frankly, it’s a cop-out. Either require relevant sources be cited or nix it. I highly doubt its difficult to find verifiable sources that discuss a band getting bottles and bodily fluid thrown at them at a festival as big as Reading and Leeds or sources criticizing the band of taking advantage of their relationships with other bands. Standards are there for a reason, please stop playing the part of the ostrich with your head in the sand and actually bring this article into line with the standards of the Wiki. I don't care if its locked, I know it gets vandalized often, but at least disable editing AFTER you bring the article into line with Wikipedia standards. Like I said, disclaimers are COP-OUTS.

not pop-punk

excuse me, but i don't really think my chemical romance is pop-punk at all. my reasoning for this is the simple fact that they don't sound like pop-punk most of the time. they do in some of their songs, but in the majority of them, i see no similarity between them and green day, for example. i say the genre of mcr is disputed, and that should be the end of it. if you must attach a genre to them, just use plain old rock.

Accident While Making Video

Gerard and Bob were not in a car crash. They were hurt while making their new video. AOL Music is wrong, because it was a accident during the shooting of the video leading many to become suspicious of the picture on http://www.theblackparade.com (because Bob got burnt by fire).

"Panda"

in many parts of the world there is a band called "panda" coppying MCRs music and there are a signifagant ammount of fans that believe MCR fans should be informed. if theres a section about gerard and bert than there can at least be a mention of this.

Panda

Panda is a South American based band that is suspected of having stolen lyrics and riffs from popular american bands, the most prominent being My Chemical Romance. Others include Fall Out Boy and Green Day. Evidence of this can be seen on the anti-panda website at http://www.geocities.com/anti_pxndx/ . If the evidence on this page bothers you, please voice your opinion on the immortality project forums at http://www.theimmortalityproject.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1842

It seems too much like advertising, which is not supposed to happen on Wikipedia. Make an article about Panda instead of putting it in the bands articles. It doesn't seem to flow with the rest of the article and it just sounds like a bunch of people who can't think of their own stuff or are pirates or something. It doesn't sound like we really need to be informed of anything. I do not think there should be mention of this. Orfen 00:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It happens to be in the Panda article, but some person keeps switching it to look as if the fansite board mentioning it is like the only group bothered by it. Anyway, that's a different story for a different day. CD Amadeus 09:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If it's in the Panda article then I really don't think it should be in here. It really doesn't flow and looks a lot like advertising the way it is worded. Orfen 19:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article seemsto be written by fanboys who havevery bad grammar. It's not the worste I've seen, but it does need to be cleaned up.


i agree this is the worst written article, you guys should stop argueing about whos emo and whos not and take a grammer class

Oh, the irony! --Wildnox 16:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Discography Removed

Can anyone re-put it, please? CD Amadeus 01:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


I reverted the page back to when it contained the discography AND the biography, instead of just a bunch of criticisms. Maroonraven 13:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The New Album Title

As it stands, the name of My Chemical Romance's upcoming album is not known. Until there is a verified source that releases the name of the album, please stop changing it. Yes, the album more than likely has something to do with The Black Parade. Yes, we know the album title is not "The Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance." However, this is the title under which all information about the upcoming album is currently located. Maroonraven 17:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

Can I readd the criticisms, because most of it has sources? íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 02:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd say go ahead put it back it, I have no opposition. The majority of the article has {{fact}} tags so removing this part of the article, without removing the rest, due to the lack of sources would be abit biased. --Wildnox 03:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

WPMCR

Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects for Wikiproject: My Chemical Romance! Just add your name to the list of interested users and then add User:Icelandic Hurricane/Wikipedia:WikiProject My Chemical Romance. I haven't started the page yet, but I will. Once 5 users join, I'll make the project official. Hope you join! íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, the page has been started, and there are 2 members (including me) now. So please join to make MCR articles better. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Not Again

I have just put this on to the Good Charlotte page and im getting really pissed off now. GET OVER THE FACT THAT THE GENRE DOESN'T MATCH YOU OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you ask me (and most people don't), genre is a personal opinion. If you wanna call a band like Simple Plan pop, and a band like Good Charlotte Pop/Punk, that is your right to do so. Just dont put it on the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just put the genre as rock and DONT CHANGE IT PEOPLE!! if it is rock then every one is happy because that is what MCR is, rock music. The branch of rock is personal opinion BUT FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE!!!! STOP ARGUING OVER A GENRE!!! GO OUTSIDE AND GET A LIFE!!!!!!11 ITZ FUN! I PROMISE! peace out. gEorGE144.136.34.13 06:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No reason for the caps. It's just a genre. But sub genre's are important buy I think for now we should just keep it at rock since it makes everyone happy. But yeah, genres aren't that important but they still should be listed. Orfen 20:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying this settles any disputes, but I can't listen to MCR without hearing a bit of a power pop influence. They totally have a Cheap Trick influence to their music. That's all I gotta say about the genre. you guys can try the rest on your own.

I can maybe see some sort of influence of a pop punk/ punk rock or a more pop feel to some of their music. As a majority I would say they don't, but there are some that might have a poppier feel to them. I think there is sort of a more pop feel to some older songs and maybe some on their newer but it's really hard to say since the definition of a genre is different for each person. Orfen 02:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

as i said before, why do we have to list subgenres if no one can agree on them? they don't sound anything like green day (pop punk) the majority of the time, but they don't sound lke dashboard confessional (emo) either. can't we just say rock? if people say it's pop-punk or emo i've found it's usually someone who doesn't enjoy the music and that influences their opinion.

ANALYSIS OF MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE

Now if we take into account that the majority define emo as whiney songs about self harm, suicide, and so forth; I find it very hard to be able to describe My Chemical Romance as emo. The way they dress isn't particulary stereotypically "emo", it just seems the term is being used for anyone wearing black and using makeup. Seeing as they have just changed their look for the Black Parade; Gerards new hairstyle isn't particulary emo.

Furthermore, the settings of the videos so far aren't especially emo; Helena, set in a funeral; many bands from many gnres have used funerals as they send out a specific message, and hold a certain fascination with many people. I'm not Okay; staged in a school and a song written to poke fun at emo. The Ghost of You; is a Saving Private Ryan D-Day style landing, with a 1930's era dancehall, and MCR as the band in the dancehall, and as soldiers on the beach. Doesn't seem very emo.

I will list the songs from their albums here, with there titles along with a description of the song meaning, to see how many of there songs actually come anywhere close to the emo genre.

  • Helena
    • A tribute to their deceased grandmum, who taught Gerard to sing, hence the funeral.
  • Interlude
    • A 56 second long almost totally insturmental song, apart from three lines.
  • Cubicles
    • A song about escaping the existence of being stuck in a 9-5 jobs; and trying to see things in a happier light.
  • Romance
    • Instrumental.
  • To The End
    • A some suggest is based on the short story A Rose For Emily by William Faulkner, about a man who guesses the woman he is marrying will kill him for his money.
  • Hang 'em High
    • This begins as a song with a very western theme; as in Wild West; same style of music in the intro; discusses six guns, shotgun sinners; etc. But then goes onto say the person not loking back if he falls off the motorbike; presumabely metaphoric.
  • Cemetry Drive
    • A very upbeat and happy rhythm opens this song about adultery; about how the husband decides to kill her, but still finds it extremely hard to do.
  • Give 'em Hell Kid
    • Gerard Way has stated this is a song about teenage preganancy, or to quote him "getting knocked the f*ck up".
  • Demolition Lovers
    • This was the last song on "I brought you my bullets", their first album; and set the story for their second album. It's also about loving someone to the end; as they are bothed killed, but he ends up in pergatory; and the only way to see her again is to kill 1000 evil men and reclaim their souls. In the inlay to the album Gerard wrote: "To k: I'm sorry I write all these songs about killing you, i hope the last track makes up for it." The last track is demolition lovers.
  • The Ghost of You
    • This song is written about losing someone very close to you; the video for this song set it in a World War II; where many woman lost their husbands and children on both sides of the war.
  • Drowning Lessons
    • Another song introducing the characters for the second album; this is about how she is killing him bit by bit; and so although drowning is a very simple thing; he does it over and over again, metaphorically. This then mentions "a thousand bodies piled up/I never thought would be enough".
  • Headfirst for Halos
    • This is a very upbeat song with dark lyrics; and was all about being happy when things look bad; not harming yourself, not reverting to drugs and not ultimately ending your life. The refrain of the song "Think happy thoughts, Think happy thoughts" (rinse and repeat till end.)
  • Our Lady Of Sorrows
    • This song is a bout friendship until the end, and never turning your back on someone "Stand up f*cking tall, dont let them see your back / And take my f*cking hand and never be afraid again" There is a live version of this song, and Gerard says something like: "You probably came with your best friend, or one of your best friends! I want you to turn to that mother f*cker, grab him by the throat and say 'Your my best fucking friend, and I would die for you!'"
  • I'm not Okay (I promise)
    • This songs about two things; firslty it's a true story about when Gerard was in high school, and a girl he liked took explicit pictures of herself with her boyfriend. It is also about not being upset at lifes little things which happen to everyone.
  • Skylines and Turnstiles
    • This song is about September 11th. Gerard saw it happen, he was meeting in New York with Cartoon Network pitching an idea for one of cartoons "Breakfast Monkey". Witnessing the event changed his life. After the event he and Matt wrote the song.
  • This is the Best Day Ever
    • This song is about Gerard Way's trips to hospital whilst writing the album. It refers to what it's like at night, and how it plays tricks on your mind. It's also about his longing to get out and the day he got out of the hospital would be the best day ever.
  • Thank You For The Venom
    • This song is talking about Missionaries. Or just people who come to your door and try to give you information about God, when all you want them to do is leave you alone. "Give me a reason to believe" and "Preach all you want but who's gonna save me?", are lines that come to mind when you want people to get off your back about Christianity.
  • Vampires Will Never Hurt You
    • This can be interpreted in a literal way; that he will always protect the one he loves from vmapires; or it can be taken as vampires meaning society, wanting to suck the life out of everything, taking your money and leaving an empty husk behind. Singing about him not letting this happen to you.
  • Early Sunsets Over Munroeville
    • This is a very melodic and instrumental song, Gerard Way has stated in an interview it is about the movie "Dawn of the Dead"
  • The Jetset Life is Going to Kill You
    • This song is based around wearing your body out with the Sex, Drugs and Rock n Roll lifestyle. It is somewhat autobiographical, as he almost died several time during the recording of there first and second albums, due to drugs and drink. It was halfway through the second album that he dropped all the drugs an went clean.
  • I Never Told You What I do for a Living
    • The meaning of this song is quite widely debated; though most agree it is about the protagonist of the album killing the people, and when he finally kills the 1000 person; he finds that he hasn't brought his partner back to life; they have just both ended up in hell together.
  • It's not a fashion statement, it's a fucking deathwish.
    • This is a song about revenge; and seeking like for like revenge; from the opening lines "For what you did to me, And what I'll do to you, You get, what everyone else gets, You get a lifetime!" it concentrates on how his friend betrayed him totally, possibly killing him or breaking his will to live; then he comes out of whatever was stopping him and vows to revenge his "ghost".
  • You Know What They Do To Guys Like Us In Prison
    • This is about two things, broadly it's about prison rape, but it was written from Gerards fleeting experience of homosexuality, when he allegedly kissed Bert McCracken during a game of truth or dare. (I beleive this has been confirmed by one of them, or both.)
  • Honey This Mirror Isn't Big Enough For the Two of Us
    • This song is a reference to coxaine abuse, and other hard drug abuse. It is about a controlling girlfriend trying to stop songs protagonist (possibly Gerard) from doing drugs. But he won't let her control him; as he's to deep into the spiral of drug abuse. He finds it hard to argue with her, so he just ignores what shes saying.

Now; I've just given a light analysis of all of the songs on their too albums. I can't find many themes in that which tally with the most generally except emo themes; apart from telling people not not self harm and such.

The only way you could call them emo is because lots of emos follow them almost religously; listening to all the songs as I tried to find adequate meanings for them all I'd indentify a lot of their music as Death or Horror Rock. In many of there songs there are riffs and bridges that sound a lot like classic rock; if you take there unreleased album, The Black Parade; several of the songs from that seem to have a lot of classic metal and rock influences.

Emo

Emo is a very overrated word. I have not seen it used in many cases to actaully mean, Emotional. Nowadays it is used by goths who don't want to be called goth, and want a name change.

THIS IS NOT A NEUTRAL DISCUSSION BY THE WAY. More than half of this is bashing My Chemical Romance, because of the genre dispute. Its pointless. MCR is NOT Emo, because they aren't posers, and MCR is also not punk-pop. An example of punk-pop would be Fall Out Boy, or Panic! At The Disco. Is MCR like FOB or P!ATD??? Not the sound, or the lyrics.

I really doubt that there are other bands with as much critisim as My Chemical Romance. Yetr there are bands that deserve critisism MORE than MCR, but cynacists that just hate poeple that wear black and sing about things they want, like to bash bands that don't deserve it, so thats why were here yelling at each other about the genre of MCR, and if they are or aren't Emo.

Sure this isn't neutral, but give My Chemical Romance a break. Bash another band. And anyway...are any of these other comments neutral? KellanFabjance 15:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


  • Um, It's emotive hardcore, especially the 'real' emo, bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace, Dag Nasty etc., not 'emotional'.

Honestly, they wouldn't recieve the criticism they get if they didn't suck so much. Have you heard them live? They're horrifically bad. Worst act I've seen live, and totally undeserving of the headlining slot they had at Give It a Name. They don't help themselves, to be honest. They're an easy target to ridicule.

Asking people to bash another band is not going to work, when My Chemical Rubbish are ripe for the ripping. Helmetlad 18:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Since when has this turned into a "My Chem" sucks argument? So you define "emo" as being bad? Well that is not right. My Chemical Romance is not an emo band. Only people who don't like them call them emo or people who don't know enough about them. Emo shouldn't be thrown around and used for "emotional music". And because no other comment was neutral mine won't either... They really are not bad live. I think people just look for something to criticize about bands they hate. And seriously, why waste your time and comment if you hate them so much? Maybe say some constructive instead of saying "ah, I hate them... so... they're emo".Orfen 21:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Dude. Read. Eyes. They're there for a reason. I don't think My Chemical Romance are emo. I don't think first wave emo is bad (I don't mind some second wave either). However, I was correcting the guy who said emo was short for emotional (which it is, to an extent, but not as music, that's emotive hardcore), and then adding my own opinion into the mix. Why? Because I can.
Please, I emplore of you. Read my side of the argument first, before automatically assuming that just because I don't like them at all I think they're emo.88.109.1.33 22:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Criticism section (again) and citations needed

I don't care if this section should stay or not, but as long as it stays it should be easily readable, and the 500'000 [citation needed] tags are really annoying. Isn't it possible to make a [citation needed for this section] or something like that ? Thanks 83.78.74.58 00:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, done. Orfen 20:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :) 85.0.192.30 13:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I think that we should change the picture and logo of MCR. Also the genre should be changed to disputed, as many people call them different things, from post hardcore to punk pop to alt rock to emo. DavidJJJ 14:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, first I don't think we should change the picture yet since they haven't released the album yet but the picture and logo need to be changed eventually. Right now the genre hasn't been edited a lot so I don't think it needs to be changed right now. But I don't think we should just put disputed, I think we should put something like just Rock or do what they did at the Panic! at the Disco article. Orfen 16:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I like the thing at the PATD article. Mention MCR are an alternative rock band, as no-one who actually knows what the genre is can disagree with that, and mention they are influenced by punk rock, pop punk, glam rock, post-hardcore or whatever etc. --Switch 11:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should change the picture, since their new single comes out soon. Dizzydark 20:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Well if you can find a better one of all of them and their new look then change it, but if we can't find one yet we should just wait. Orfen User Talk 20:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Weasel Words

"Fans of the band could be considered loyal to the point of possible obsession."

Is that weaselly enough for you? Without the weasel words, it's NPOV. With the weasel words, it's pointless. 68.77.111.101 17:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


So so many genre disputes

Ok, Im working on solving the genre dispute for the band HIM and wanted to also see if I could help out with this section. I believe that Post-Hardcore is a good definition for the band seeing as similar bands like The Used. List of post-hardcore bands. They definitely arent Emo. Emo is stuff like Dashboard Confessional, The Juliana Theory, later Jimmy Eat World and Thursday. Everyone has this incorrect concept of emo nowadays brought by the media's attempt to bring emo to the mainstream. Lamentingvampire09 00:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

unreleased song

does anyone know anything about their song, sister to sleep. i've seen some guitar tabs for it, but never heard it myself. is it unreleased or on some other album? Dizzydark 13:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It is my understanding that Sister to Sleep is a song that was made for the Freddy vs. Jason Soundtrack. I think it might of never made it on the album or something but they did play it live and I think they made the song when Matt was still in the band. This has nothing to do with their new song Sleep for The Black Parade. That's just what I have read. Orfen 15:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

that would make sense, considering what the songs about. thanks. Dizzydark 20:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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