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Contents 1 Titling 2 Additional character articles? 3 Shizuru's "raping" of Natsuki 4 About The Name... 5 Mai Otome - the second season? 6 Changes 7 Mai-HiME Manga 8 english voice overs 9 Fixed some descriptions 10 Calling into question the neutrality of Mai's romantic interests on her profile paragraph. 11 Character pages 12 whats with the scarf? 13 Nagi as Loki 14 Lord of the Flies? 15 The Dancing Girl? 16 HiME Page Revision 17 Categoization 18 WikiProject?

[edit] Titling

I question the spelling of "Mai". While the transliteration is correct, it seems that most fansubbers are spelling it My Hime, not Mai Hime. Further, the japanese homepage uses "my", not "mai" in the spelling of its links. http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/my-hime for example.

Even the japanese version of this very article seems to use the "My" spelling in the paragraph quoted below (assuming my Japanese isn't too rusty):

タイトルの由来については、様々なタイプのいわゆる「萌え キャラ」が登場することから、「自分自身にとっての(My)お姫様(HiME)を見つけて下さい」という制作者の主張が込められているほか、「HiME」は「Highly-advanced Materialising Equipment」（高次物質化能力）の略称でもある（専門用語の見出しも参照の事）。森鴎外の小説「舞姫」との関係はない。

The title is supposed to mean 'My Princess', so that might be a better idea for this WP. Philip Nilsson 15:58, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've noticed people (usually anonymous users) keep changing "My" to "Mai" perhaps we should have a hidden thing telling people not to do that, it gets somewhat obnoxious to have to keep changing that when our consensus is that it's "My" and changing it tends to break links. --Katsuhagi 21:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Gwern (contribs) 22:26 20 January 2007 (GMT)

Thanks! I think that'll help keep this sort of thing from happening as often. Katsuhagi 22:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional character articles?

So far we have ones for Mai, Natsuki and Shizuru. Can people think of any other characters who deserve articles of their own? Katsuhagi 23:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shizuru's "raping" of Natsuki

I personally feel this is too strong a word for use here, especially since the actual act is left ambiguous. I think this word should be replaced with a different one (perhaps "sexually assaults" or something similar) partially due to the negative connotation and severity of the word when used in popular culture.--Katsuhagi 00:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The only thing the series shows is Shizuru lying down next to Natsuki. Making the leap of logic from that to rape is insane.

- As this's partially about Shizuru, I'd also like to point out that her character details have some arguable information. First of all, it says that she "massacred hundreds" during her rampage against the First District. No body-count is ever displayed in the series, and Mashiro's visit to the FD some episodes earlier only revealed a few elderly people present. Therefore the article is a bit inaccurate, and should be put in some less exaggerating manner. Also, it's hardly debatable that Shizuru's bloodlust was in deed caused by the Obsidian Lord/HiMe Star: In the episode where she finally snaps, it's shown quite plainly how her eyes switch colour from the normal red/brown to obsidian. Her sudden remorse after the resurrection scene also supports this. Thus, this should be considered as a fact for the article. End of nitpicking. Rexas 20:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About The Name...

It should be noted that one feature of "Mai-HiME" Anime is that it is full of word play in the Japanese dialog. It is not really a mistake or coincidence that "Mai-HiME" can be turned into "My Princess" for the sake of another play on words. --Tomar 22:20, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Seems like there are two spellings used. Mai- is correct transliteration as you say. Animesuki lists 3 subgroups using Mai-, and 3 using My-, so it's not like the former spelling is non-existent. The url spellings in the two official japanese sites use my- and mai-. Plus redirects solves multiple spellings so it seems like a trivial problem. --69.214.227.51 07:09, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

True enough, which is why I didn't run off and change it immediately. This does seem like an interesting bit of trivia that might be of interest in the main article. We could even steal Tomar's explination above with just a tad of word smithing.

- OracleofTroy 01:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I support staying as close to the real japanese title as possible. Better the actual title of it should use the kanji for Mai rather than Mai. The "official" title IS Mai-HiME however you put it. I support using the true title. http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/my-hime/web/index.html This is the official site for mai-hime and it uses my-hime in the web address but in the news section it uses MAIHIME to refer to it. But, as said above the literal reading of it is Mai rather than My. Japanese like to slur in english words with their own. Ergzay 02:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

OTOH, "Mai-HiME" doesn't have the pun value that "My-HiME" does. The pun is intentional and the Japanese My-HiME article mentions it. --Shimei 03:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mai Otome - the second season?

I am not sure we can call it a second season, if the only common thing is the character design. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, it can be argued that Mai Otome is the alternate universe of HiME. Slur 14:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

There is also evidence that My-Otome is set in the future of My-HiME. Shiroi Hane 10:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I also agree that there is plenty evidence to support that Mai-Otome is indeed set "many hundred years" in the future of the same universe as Mai-HiME. Miyu gives many statements that support it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Banggugyangu (talk • contribs) 07:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Changes

Cleared up a few spelling errors; i.e. "Isukahime" properly spelled "Ikusahime". Jan 2006 -Wavedash

I've updated the episode list into what's supposed to be the wikipedia's standard. It still requires some more information, like original airdates and such. Rexas 14:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mai-HiME Manga

Should a seperate page be created for the Manga as it has a completely diffrent storyline?

Also, I think that the manga shouldn't get a seperate page, just it's own section. Kiriyama 01:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Depends on whether or not you can contribute enough information. The Otome manga diverges enough to justify doing so, but I do not know about the HiME manga. --Warp L. Obscura 06:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

the manga is greatly different, with the Obsidian Lord being Takumi. the story is told through Tate's eyes and that he didnt suffer a kendo ingury, but was atacked trying to stop a mugging Shinigami Josh 10:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

If you can craft one up... Go for it. Be Bold. We have one for MO's manga already and it still has loads of room for improvement. I believe you can do the same for MH? --Warp L. Obscura 15:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

ok, will be done, my formating is a bit off (spelling ect.) and it would help if after i have done it for some one to go over it and fix it upShinigami Josh 02:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

-- It seems like this was shut down, but I seriously think that we need to make a HiME manga page. I just finished reading volumes 2-5 and after seeing Nagi's situation, as well as the PRINCESSes and QUEENs, not to mention the, uh, 'Child', I believe that warrants the creation. I can try to create a page, but I can guarantee it will be terrible. -_-; But, considering it is 1:30 in the morning here, I will do it later. If and when the page is created, I would like to ask the HiME editors to help with the page. Linkforlife 07:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] english voice overs

I thought that Haley Joel Osment was going to do Tate's voice. Kiriyama 01:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed some descriptions

Nao's mother fell into a coma because she was a victim of a robbery.

[edit] Calling into question the neutrality of Mai's romantic interests on her profile paragraph.

I have no problem with views on Mai having potential with either Tate, Reito, or Mikoto, but there is one sentence that I think should be more closely examined. "It seems obvious that..." Though there is some attempt at "qualifying" this statment with the word "seems", it is still a subjective, rather than objective comment that I feel is attempting to influence the reader to a particular view on the subject. What exactly was wrong with the way that it was before that comment was added? All possibilities were given mention, and the viewer of both the series and the article was left to make their own conclusion without being told what is "obvious". I was advised to post a "poll" of sorts, an RfC I suppose? I would like to, but admit that I am unfamiliar with the process, according to the page on the matter am I merely to create a topic on this discussion page calling for an RfC on the issue described, and provide a link to the main page?

Love-is-god 06:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you on that. I think keeping in that she states she loves Tate and removing the rest would suffice.

Katsuhagi 20:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

My-Otome suggests it's Mikoto due to her love of Mai's cooking (it's stated that Mikoto ate Mai's gem and thereby made a pact with her) and the characters and relationships in My-Otome and My-HiME are very much alike (My-Otome often in a parodic manner). One could say the two animes just use some of the same characters, but it does explain in a way why Mai keeps her powers after Takumi and Tate (whom Mai and her enemies think of as Mai's most important person (respectfully - Takumi first, then Tate)) die and why Mai never gives up on Mikoto after her initial rage.

Shorttail 13:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Tail, that's the view I agree with as well, it seems quite logical overall- Mai keeps powers after MIP's die, several heartfelt scenes between the two, what more do you want? But one can see that me supporting putting such a thing into the article would be exactly what I'm arguing against. Despite my own opinion on the matter, it needs to be left up for the viewer of the series to decide without anybody on this site telling them what's "logical" or "obvious".

Love-is-god 18:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character pages

Need suggestions. Whose character page to do next?

I'd suggest Haruka since she has radically different backgrounds in HiME and Otome. I think that it would be the best use of time to to characters with greatly different versions of themselves in each version. Katsuhagi 21:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Started. Now, anyone else? I was thinking Midori or Reito... --Warp L. Obscura 14:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Midori might be a good one, though I think that perhaps Tate might be a candidate given his different roles in the manga and anime, and his small but important role in the MO manga. Katsuhagi 02:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yuuichi Tate started but bad. Input highly appreciated. --Warp L. Obscura 02:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Midori Sugiura started. --Warp L. Obscura 13:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Yukino Kikukawa is now up. I think Mikoto should probably get one too at some point. Katsuhagi 21:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I finally made the move from Juliet Nao Zhang to Nao Yuuki. Could do with work, though, especially with regards to the still stub-marked MH manga section. --Warp L. Obscura 15:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] whats with the scarf?

the only time i see Mai's scarf in My-HiME is in the images, not in the actual anime. then in both the My-Otome manga and anime she has the scarf. what is the significance of that?

Untrue. From the OP: [1] From Ep 26: [2]. So it existed in the anime. Significance, no idea. Most likely a SSStylistic touch, if an underused one. --Warp L. Obscura 12:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nagi as Loki

I dont think that the sentence

In the Valkyries tale he would best fit the role of Loki.

should be included in Nagi's block. While this statement is true, the valkyries applies to Searrs, and Nagi is a part of the First District. He is one that apposes Searrs, so I dont think that is really valid.

Linkforlife 02:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

From the way I took it, "Valkyrie" can refer to a HiME as well. Greer refers to the natural HiME as Valkyries when he's observing them. It even says in the article proper that a Valkyrie is one way to refer to a HiME. Katsuhagi 02:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the reason Greer calls them Valkyries is because he is with Searrs. None of the HiMEs or the First District call them that. There are a lot of Norse mythology references in the Searrs Foundation, but thats it. Its only in the Searrs Foundation. Linkforlife 03:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps so. I think perhaps taking out the Valkyrie refernce might be best, but Nagi most definately fits the role of Loki or a trickster. I'm not entirely it's ever established who exactly he works for, as in the last episode he essentially says he'll have to do something else. I also vaguely recall something about him going to Valhalla with Mashiro. Katsuhagi 23:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lord of the Flies?

I haven't read this book, so I am not an expert in the field. I did read the page about it on Wikipedia though, and I don't think My-HiME is a parody of it. The latter portions of the two stories are similar in that they both have a group of people fighting amongst themselves in order to gain power, I don't think that qualifies as a parody. Could the anonymous editor 150.216.225.165 please explain they're reasoning? Linkforlife 22:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, for starters, did Nagi actually ever read Lord of the Flies? We should at least verify the basic claims. I don't remember seeing him do so, but I certainly wasn't watching hard. --Gwern (contribs) 00:22 19 December 2006 (GMT)

I think I remember him reading it, but I don't remember what episode or when. If they go hand in hand like the claim, it would probably be when the battle is starting, when Nao 'attacks' Yukariko. I can look later tonight. Linkforlife 16:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Dancing Girl?

That clarification link at the top? I did a background check, that novel has absolutely nothing to do with the My-HiME animé other than being called Maihime (舞姫). I'm wondering why it says My-HiME and the associated "My-" franchise is based off of it, when it clearly is not. In anycase, I'd consider either removing it or rewording it to reduce confusion. My-HiME is not about a female German dancer who is rejected by a Japanese man whom she develops feelings for. --Robtf 04:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I'm missing something, but where does it say My-HiME has anything to do with Maihime besides the title? --Gwern (contribs) 04:32 20 December 2006 (GMT)

This article is about the anime series and the franchise based upon it. It says it's based on it. It's poor wording that is too ambiguous. --Robtf 04:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

You're totally misreading it. The "it" can only refer to concrete objects already mentioned; only the My-HiME article and the My-HiME anime series are concrete objects which precede the it in the sentence - the book is mentioned after the "it", which makes no sense if the "it" were a variable representing the book. "This (article) is about the (anime series and the franchise based on the anime series)", if that helps. The disambiguation notice is a common formulation seen throughout Wikipedia. I do not think it is poor wording. --Gwern (contribs) 04:52 20 December 2006 (GMT)

It makes no mention of it being unrelated. In the end, that's all I'm saying.--Robtf 04:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Well if Robtf can't disambiguate a disambiguation notice then it isn't doing its job. It will need to be re-written. How about This article is about the anime series and its adaptions. For the 1890 novel by Mori Ogai, see The Dancing Girl. ?? --Squilibob 09:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HiME Page Revision

I want to let everyone know that I am willing to do a massive addition of info to the HiME and Otome pages. I want to include personal pages for all the main characters and also organize the info better, as well as do a HiME manga page. The one thing I will need major help on is pics - I don't know much about how to get them or how to upload them, so the addition of more pics, especially manga pics, will be really appreciated. I also need help linking sources and such.

Thanx! Saintvlas22 01:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the help. Regarding pictures, if I have time I can upload some. Diabound00 08:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categoization

It's less confusing to put all the HiME stuff together, and all the Otome stuff together, instead of grouping both the animes and both the mangas togehter. The Otome OVA stuff should be included simply in the Otome part of a characters article, for simplicity's sake. Also, instead of a general description for the character, I am going to write up a bio for them each, with the bio containing all the major events that have happened to them in the anime and the manga. I am finished totally with Midori's article; some pictures there would really be appreciated, as it's looking quite bare right now save for text. I'll be done all the characters that have articles on them by the end of the week, I just need someone to open up personal articles for the rest of the HiME's (Mikoto Minagi, Akane Higurashi, Sister Yukariko, Shiho Munakata, Akira Okuzaki, Yukino Kikukawa, Fumi Himeno) as well as for Mashiro Kazehana and Nagi Homura. For Juliet Nao Zhang and Mashiro Blan de Windblume articles, I think they should be changed tot heir HiME counterparts so it matches with the other existing articles, so it should be Nao Yuuki and Mashiro Kazehana instead. i also think that a page for seconday HiME and Otome characters should be created, four in total for the manga and animes.

Sorry for the long winded post, but the Mai HiME/Otome pages are kinda neglected, and I just need everything to be started, and I can take on the bulk of it myself (along with some people sending pictures). Thanx! Saintvlas22

I added a new plot synopsis, since the old one simply outlined the first episode of the series. I think it needed to include the basic thread of the storyline, as well as a vague outline of what to expect in it.

I think what you put is a much better synopsis, so Kudos for taking that upon yourself. Katsuhagi 18:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject?

I was wondering if there is enough scope to qualify for a WikiProject? A central portal for unified discussion on improving the articles of My-HiME and My-Otome would help to make dealing with them easier, considering that we have in excess of 16 (13 HiMEs + Arika + Nina + Mashiro) character articles, in addition to the four "main pages" (MH anime & manga, MO anime & manga) plus a potential fifth if we make one for Zwei like Hellsing has for Hellsing Ultimate. The fact that a fair number of these articles are only Start-Class despite the work put into them is also good rationale for one.

What say y'all? --Warp L. Obscura 14:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Considering the plan for the My-HiME Big Bang Project and thus the fact that a lot of material will be released I wouldn't mind creating one. However I don't know if enough people will join and how much work would be put into this project. Diabound00 15:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be at least three more people who could be interested in this; Katsuhagi, Linkforlife and Saintvlas22. Not counting the various other editors without a specific focus on the subject matter. That makes 5 of us, which is the minimum suggested on Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. --Warp L. Obscura 02:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I would be interested and would put backing into this. Katsuhagi 03:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's such a good idea. A Wikiproject is a lot of work, and the bare minimum (and I doubt all five listed people are fanatical persons who definitely will not drift away and are willing to tackle all that work) is an awfully risky place to start from. If you start it and it molders halfway through, you'll be worse off than before, and it'll actually get in the way of actually working on articles. --Gwern (contribs) 03:01 5 March 2007 (GMT)

The thing is that, with all the discussion scattered over the various pages, it constitutes a lack of efficiency to run around all of them. A "place" to consolidate the discussion would help to unify the text for easier reference. Perhaps a task force would be better? --Warp L. Obscura 03:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, My-Otome Zwei page started, but I am the only editor for that article as of now... --Warp L. Obscura 15:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the character template is good, but then I think you should add other characters on it listing in "Others" or in "Miscellanious characters" listing characters like Yuuichi Tate, Takumi Tokiha, Nagi Homura, and Haruka Suzushiro who also have supporting roles.

Musicalmelodygirl 9:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I've begun adding infoboxes to the character articles under the MH sections, since that might be a way to gather some of the information (height, weight, etc.) and add a sense of continuity. I saw someone do that for the Mai article and have put them on a few more since, and have made the colors the colors mainly associated with that character (Shizuru's is purple, Haruka's is green, Natsuki's is blue). Katsuhagi 22:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

After seeing some considerably "smaller" animes get info templates of their own, I've been working on one for MH/MO, but it needs some work before we can officially make it our own. Here's what's currently been done...

Feel free to suggest improvements, I know it needs many. --Warp L. Obscura 15:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that My-HiME and My-Otome should have their own separate templates. Also, I don't feel that there is a critical distinction between the HiMEs and the other characters. Some HiMEs aren't revealed until late in the series, and some non-HiMEs play significant roles as well. Phony Saint 15:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

v • d • e My-HiME
My-HiME	Anime: Characters · Episodes · Soundtracks Manga: Characters · Chapters
My-Otome	Anime: Characters · Episodes · Zwei · Soundtracks Manga: Characters · Chapters

This is my stab at it. I'm trying to find the My-HiME logo to put on the side. Phony Saint 04:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I created a new template. View under Template:My-HiME. If anyone wants to change anything on it, please do it there.Diabound00 18:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)