User talk:MX44/Jyllands Posten

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[edit] A welcome from Sputnik

Hi, MX44, Welcome to Wikipedia!

- СПУТНИК^{ССС Р} 03:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of content

If you continue to remove content without explanation, you will be blocked. Cease immediately. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Adding disruptive comments is just as bad. This is your final warning. Take it to the talk page if you want to vent. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leaving messages for other users

Many users have a "Talk" portion of their signature (as I do) that allows you to quickly link to their talk page when you see their signature. The generic way to get to a talk page for a user is to click on their name and then the "discussion" tab at the top of their user page (since clicking on their name usually takes you to their user page). If you are REALLY stuck, you could always just go to the following page... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:USERNAMEGOESHERE and replace USERNAMEGOESHERE in the address bar of your webbrowser with whoever it is you want to talk to. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

You should have a look at the last item on the Jyllands talk page before you make more edits!!! heheh Netscott 08:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] DBachmann

Please don't stop ! :-) Varga Mila 20:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Please please please don't. LoL Varga Mila 01:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eh?

You trying to discredit me? LOL! :-) Netscott 17:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Los Grand unification

Hey there, I was puzzled, and still not quite sure what it was that you referred to (the unclear argument). Please do put it back in !

This is getting quite ridiculous. This is the first time I take my procrastination desire out on WP...Is it always like this? ; Insults flying and the weirdest, most twisted and amnesic logic I've ever come across! : ) Ciao Varga Mila 01:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Troll, Troll, Troll your boat

No, I am afraid I don't have an answer for either... sorry. Netscott 05:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ... a word from our sponsors

Funny....  : ) but extremely lame. I imagine that the majority of Muslims feel as misrepresented when someone kills in their name, as I do, listening to that. Proportions aside.  : ) Varga Mila 18:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Verdad ! Varga Mila 16:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Do keep the ironic rhetoric coming. I can't figure this guy out. Is he extremely clever and willfully pretending not to be ?

Varga Mila 16:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I did mean el Talibano. The other - blocked, if we are talking about the same - is quite clever. Varga Mila 16:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: your last comment in talk MC

He's trying to argue with very twisted logic that the statues weren't blown up for aniconistic reasons... but because the Swedes didn't give money to feed Afghanistan's starving children (who were in that state due to economic embargos again their government) ... which as I'm sure you can guess is total nonsense. Netscott 16:12, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

And the children ... eat stone? MX44 16:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• re-read my edited comment above... that should clear it up. Netscott 16:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Oh but I do think I already understand. He is playing the chewbacka card ... MX44 16:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Poorly so, yes... LOL! Netscott 16:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm reporting a statement issued by a member of the Afghan Government on the reasons for the demolition of the statues. it is hardly a "chewbacka" defence. --Irishpunktom\^talk 11:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Violations Irishpunktom vs. Netscott

Hello, sorry to disturb you but I noticed that you were mentioned on a notice of 3RR violation made by Irishpunktom against Netscott. Netscott has been blocked but in my lurking on the article I noticed that Irishpunktom was as much a violator as Netscott and so I made a report of 3RR violation against Irishpunktom. I was hoping you might be able to comment on my report.

Thanks!

CA-Bill 208.201.242.19 22:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Maddhab of the taliban

Originally Posted o the Talk page: I don't really care why you object to it, because its clear you don't know what your talking about. Further, I dislike your attempts to mock me, when you clearly are wrong. The Taliban are hanafi, as much as you don't want it to be the case, it is. From Status of religious freedom in Afghanistan; "Traditionally, Sunni Islam of the Hanafi school of jurisprudence has been the dominant flavour of Islam in Afghanistan. This school counts the Taliban among its followers." - Though Wikipedia should not be self referencing so here this:

• "The difference is because the Taleban follow the Hanafi branch of Islam, and the current administration adheres to the Shafee variant."[1]
• "The Taleban Government in Afghanistan has implemented the Hanafi law." [2]
• "The Taleban, belonging to a man to the Hanafi school of Shura, would be the first to contradict him"[3]
• "The Taliban also adheres to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam"
• "The taleban were not wahahbis. They were sunnis with hanafi school following" [4]
• "There is an ongoing conflict between the Taliban, who subscribe to a radical interpretation of the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam". [5]
• "The Taliban interpreted Hanafi law to punish theft with amputation of hands and adultery with stoning." [6]
• "The Deobandi School and the Taliban are strict followers of the Hanafi legal code" [7]
• "The Taliban also adheres to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam, making it the current dominant religion in the country" [8]
• "And it should be stressed here that Taliban belong to a different Islamic school of law, ie the Hanafi" [9]
• "In jurisprudence terms, Taliban is an extension of the Deoband (traditional Hanafi jurisprudence) which is widespread in Afghanistan." [10]
• "In using their power to condemn violence (?) in the name of Islam, the Taliban have also taken a lead in reiterating the age-old position of Hanafi orthodoxy". [11]
• "contrary to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam, the school to which the Taliban claims to adhere" [12]
• "The Taliban had taken much of their influence from the Pakistani Deobandis, which is an offshoot of the Hanafi Islamic school of thought and contains" [13]
• "No Afghans have been involved in suicide operations before because the Hanafi school of Islam, to which most Taliban subscribe, forbids it." [14]

I could go on. --Irishpunktom\^talk 11:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Of course all of these citations are perfectly irrelevant (as usual) to the Jyllands-Posten cartoons controversy article... but I suppose that won't stop Irishpunktom from continuing to try to obfuscate the article and do more PPOV. Here is something quite a bit more salient to the article. Netscott 11:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, at least one of them supports MyPOV:"There is an ongoing conflict between the Taliban, who subscribe to a radical interpretation of the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam".

Take that in context with my opinion on the The Deobandi School as supporting de-education rather than education and it makes perfect sense. MX44 13:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Just wanted to drop you an additional note and say thanks for your supportive comments on the Irishpunktom 3RR report filed by CA-Bill (as well as the ones you left on Irishpunktom's report against me). Fortunately, fairness saw the light of day for that whole story. ;-)

Cheers! Netscott 12:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfC

An RfC is being prepared against me - You've clashed with me too, so I'm guesssing, they'd appreciate your assistance.--Irishpunktom\^talk 16:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• MX44, do have a look at this as well. ;-) Netscott 16:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You want to be censored out as an editor? Then why don't you just ... stop editing? MX44 17:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I want all people who can be, to be be involved in this. Am I to gather you want rid of me? --Irishpunktom\^talk 17:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ask your friends to help you ... MX44 18:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

My "Friends"? Should I talk your non-answer as a Yes then?--Irishpunktom\^talk 12:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Not yes and not no. Not both and not something which is not both. MX44 14:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Weak. --Irishpunktom\^talk 15:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

<-- PLEASE, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS! -->
<-- I already did, and got a very weak sideshow! - IPT-->

[edit] Tax collectors

So, are you saying, "Who wants to miss?". Heh! Netscott 12:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep, so keep sober! Remember how they say: "We have what it it takes, to take what You have!" MX44 16:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Making "enemies"

A little something that might bring you a smile... (although it'll probably be a bit complicated for an outside party to work out why it's funny). ;-) Netscott 04:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Another "french movie" by journalist Mohamed Sifaoui will be aired tonight on France 2 (and Danish TV2). Features Ahmed Akkari in the backseat of a cab, frivolously sharing his fantasies of murdering MP Naser Khader to the somewhat surprised French/Algerian journalist ...

"Smile, you are on candid camera!"

JP broke the story at 01:00 this morning and it is all over the place by now. Naser Khader throws in the towel and leaves politics MX44 18:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

<-- ? -->

Wow! That's a big deal... it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. Netscott 11:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the implications are manyfold. His case in the UN regarding Human Rights suddenly crumbled to nil. They will probably play the Afghani card: "It is possible that this person is not sane? He does not speak like a normal person ..." MX44 11:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

----

Apparently it was too complicated for a certain user to work out. LOL! Netscott 13:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You guys are involved in rv-wars on other peoples user pages? That's odd! MX44 13:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another little funny thing

As a result of what happened to Resid, have a look at what Raphael1 is doing. LOLOLOLOL! Netscott 13:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like there is consensus for peace now?

On a related issue; chief editor Turki al Sudairi of (Saudi newspaper) Al Riyadh turns around 180 degrees and says the boycots should be stopped: "You can't hold a whole country responsible for what was obviously the decision of only some 2 or 5 editors at some newspaper ..." He also suggests that one of the main problems might be with Osama and His Merry Men, the twisted image of Islam that they have delivered to the west. MX44 14:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question

Yesterday, back at my job, I had opportunity to scan the week's press clippings from the Turkish press. It seems as if, out of the blue, there is now an entirely different tune being sung: Basically, they all carry stories about how valuable the Danes have found the opportunity presented by the JP-Mohammad cartoons to be educated about the Prophet, how they now all can see that Islam is really peaceful, and they they all apologize very much, curse their government and want to collect money to build a giant mosque. A collegue, who did some of the Arab papers said that it's the same tendency there.

I understand that you live in Denmark, yes? Is there any truth to this swing in public perception, because here in Germany the attitude toward Muslims is certainly hardening, as far as I can judge that. Are the Danish really so different from the Germans?

FYI, here is a clipping in English (from Egypt's biggest paper) that illustrates out what I mean: [15] Azate 05:29, 24 March 2006(UTC):

Azate, i was born in Denmark but as it happens I now live in Stockholm (Sweden) As for if there is any improvement in the relations between Danes and Muslims (funny question, but anyhow ...), I can only speak for myself and I think that the times for Islamo-Hippies (like me) are a thing of the past ... In other words: Yes, the situation have severely hardened, not unlike what you describe from Germany. On a related question, I do not believe that friends of mine living in Lahore (Pakistan), working at the university respectively the army, would think that this is a good time to come 'round and visit ...

My grandmother called me to hear a second opinion on the matter, which is a definate first, if that somehow clearifies the unusualness of the situation? MX44 20:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

That's what I thought. A hardening of opinion in the West seems emotionally logical. Apparently the Turkish (and Arab) press are waving the white flag on the issue. They are finally "finding out that getting into a negative-publicity fight with the West is as unadvisable as wrestling with a pig: You get dirty and the pig enjoys it." (Quote stolen from this intersting article: [16]) Azate 12:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ...and a favour to ask of you.

Hej. Our version of the Akkari-Laban dossier is still incomplete, because some portions so far have been only available in Arabic. That has now changed, thanks to Politiken. [17]. Can you do the world (and me especially) a huge favour, and translate the letter from Raed Hlayhel from Danish -> English? Please, please, please... (It's here [18]) Azate 21:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Great. Thanks!!! Azate

We have them as "Page 9 Letter from Sheikh Râ'id Hulaihil". The page numbers differ between Politiken and Elstra Bladt's versions of the dossier, but not enough to matter, I think. We can take care of that later. Azate 22:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment from imam Sheik Raed Hulaihil

Preliminary translation based on a Danish translation in Politiken

We do not keep quiet out of fear of (democratic) oppression.

We do not obey the rules of democracy.

On the background of that the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten on
fridag 30 september 2005, chose to publish, what is said to be
satirical drawings of our prophet (pbuh), where the drawings
clearly contains inadmissible scorn, which can under no 
circumstances be accepted. Since we, as muslims, have
accepted to settle in this country on the premise that, our
full freedom, not least regarding religion, will be secured and
respected, we hereby wish to draw the Danish public opinion to
attention to the following:

Jyllands-Posten have dared to voice its opinion, and we are not amused. We demand in compensation that the unworthy Danes should accept all our whimsical and outrageous quirks, even those in direct opposition to the law of Denmark, therefore get this into your pea-sized brains:

1) That our prophet Mohammad (pbuh), in our hearts have a unique
and incompareable status. Since Mohammad and his other brothers,
such as the prophet Moses and the prophet Jesus, are gods
messengers, they are not to be scorned. It is the duty of any
believer irrespective of religion, not least any
sober-minded person, to prevent scorn of such a great
prince with such great importance amongst his believers, even
amongst his sober-minded rivals.

• That our prince of madness, Mohammed (pbuh) is the only true idol, whom we worship even more than god! (Unfortunately Islam requires me to mention those other irrelevant blokes here as well ...)

2) It is thought-provoking, if there in Europe exists any, who
would scorn semitism in the name of free speach and under the
umbrella of democracy???

• It is thought-provoking that only Islamic countries have the guts to scorn semitism on a daily basis!!!

3) We do not need lessons on democracy, but it is actually us, who
through our deeds and speeches educates the whole world in
democracy. That the churchtowers are well preserved since
the times of our greatness and untill today is the best proof of that.

• Our despotes knows better than democracy and will be happy to bore the whole world with their ramblings. Take a look at Aya Sofia, we even democratically decorated some of your churches with pretty little towers.

4) This dictatorial way of using democracy is completely unacceptable.

• Understand that it is My Way or the Highway!

5) Can it be right, when values are undermined, when the good
deeds of man is not recognized, when sanctuaries are scorned,
when honour is not respected, when values and principles are
not spared, and all this in the name of freedom? This kind of
democracy, where the weak is abused by the strong, is sick.

• Can it be right, when our brothers are not allowed to murder their sisters in the name of honour? Can it be right when our young and innocent men are not allowed to rape your filthy whores? This is not freedom. Disallowing us to abuse whoever we like, is undemocratic and sick.

6) There needs to be a balance between freedom of speach and
freedom of religion. When one is undermining the other, a crisis
will arise with unpredictable consequences.

• If you continue to discuss the indisputable virtues of Islam, I will personally stage a worldwide outrage (and then Allah help you!)

7) Today there is quite some confusion among muslims, since
it is not known which of these two things, is the thruth:
Is it so that the west is hostile to a certain group of muslims
because of their deeds, but simultaniously recognize, that Islam
is a respectable divine religion. Or is the truth, and what
appeared in the newspaper, maybe that Islam itself with
all its symbols and sanctuaries is worth nothing, and that
our prophet, Mohammad (pbuh) is the greatest of terrorist?

• Here is a trick question for you: Is it so that you now adore Islam even more than ever or is it so that you are fed up with muslims and feel that we should pack up our camel-bags and go to hell?

8) Does the redicule by democracy of what is most holy to
muslims mean, that we should just let it be, as if as nothing
happened, but also refrain from becoming annoyed and feel
offended, so that supporters of freedom of speech can feel,
that muslims finally have started to develope and is starting
to listen to critique and other peoples opinions, even at the
expense of our faith and what is holy to us?

• Did you in you folly ever believe that we had the slightest intention of playing well with the annoying customs of your infantile and godless society?

9) if we take a look at the much debated "integration", would
it then be logical, that this immature action is the optimal
path to integration? Or will it widen the gap? What was
published in the newspaper, is like pouring oil on fire. The
stupendious person , who have done such an unwise act,
should take upon himself the responsibility for his act and
its consequences, where the least of these is an increased
division of the society, which is otherwise wished to be 
harmonic without any kind of disagreement.

• I truely wish to live in a society without disagreement and it is therefore logical if you guys all convert to Islam. We can then harmonically and together widen the gap between the heads and bodies of the stupendious editors, submitting to the divine responsibility and wisdom of sharia.

10) The least Jyllands-Posten can do, is to regret this kind
of redicoulous philosophy, and apologize to the muslims, who 
have felt offended in their holiest, that is their prophet.
It should make itself felt, if You genuinely consider the 
feelings of your fellow citizens.

• Jyllands-Posten should apologize again, but this time with more feeling. Their previous performance wasn't really convincing. They should emphasize that the Prophet is the very holiest ...

11) Finally I would like to adress the sober-minded of this
society and urge that they will intervene and stop this
redicoulous situation, and to refrain from using the idea of
"war against terror", which is used to scorn religion, ie
Islam  with all its symbols and sanctuaries.

• Finally I would like to adress those Islamo-Hippies left (hello?), and urge them to help us fight against "the war on Islamo-Fascism", which leaves us without symbols and sanctuaries to hide behind.

Sheik Raed Hulaihil
Educated at The Islamic University of Medina
E-mail: hlayhel (at) hotmail.com

• You know who I am by now!

MX44 08:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Working Man's Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Now, not only for this translation in the middle of the night, but for your entire effort here on the JP Mohammed cartoons article... Thanks, Azate 01:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

(This barnstar was awarded before the translation was expanded with an alternative explanation ...)

[edit] JP Mohammed Cartoons intro

MX44 thought my addition to the intro lengthened it unnecessarily. My reason? "I [...] think that the intro as it stands is unbalanced, as the language ("culturally insulting, Islamophobic, blasphemous, and intended to humiliate a marginalized Danish minority") is very strong, and the pro side deserves an equally strong rebuttal. How shall we bring balance? Godfrey Daniel 19:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The only proper cartoon way is to expand the "culturally insulting" part. The militant Muhammedans will recognize it as truth ... and everybody else will have a good laugh :-D --MX44 10:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear MX44, Here is your message;"Trivially not a conflict since he is defending Byzans against intruders. Are you drunk, or are you just trying to be funny? MX44 10:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy").

Lets be polite and behave respectfully.A little bit tolerance also. Please investigate the history more carefully. Readings offered; books and letters of Manuel II Paleologus, I hope you can find them in English or in your language. Note that, nothing is white or black. In the history of all religions, you can find untolerance, blood and unhappiness. Happiness and Healthy for you. Regards. Mustafa Akalp 11:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)