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Hi TUF-KAT, thanks for the notes on my user page. I agree, Cuban music is highly complex. I noticed you just expanded the section on Son Montuno. Perhaps you didn't notice that I had already written a rather short piece on it some time ago, before I was aware of this article. Now I am wondering whether to merge mine here or refactor yours there... or leave as is. On the one hand, it would make sense to have the information in one place, on the other, you add links for everything suggesting that spinoff articles should come...

Anyway, good work here. Such broad surveys must be quite a challenge; up to now, I have mostly focused on narrower topics. -- Viajero 20:58, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

To some extent, of course there will be overlap between articles like son montuno, music of Cuba and Latin music, for example, but I think this is necessary. If each subject deserves an article (i.e. is a discrete subject that persons may search for) then there should be something there. For example, I may be interested in getting an overview of Cuban music because I am writing an essay on Cuban culture, or I may be writing a musicological thesis about son or whathave you. In general, broad articles should be less specific. For example, this article should contain a broad outline of how son developed and its characteristics, and do the same for other types of Cuban music, as well as information on how Cubans have influenced other countries, and how music from elsewhere has impacted Cuba. The article on son montuno should focus entirely on the characteristics and history of son, and include information on son's popularity and its performers outside of Cuba. There may be too much information on son here at the moment, but please don't remove anything for a day or two, because I am adding information from a print source -- once I am done, we can look at what sections are too long or specific and do what should be done.

I suppose the point is that music of Cuba is an encyclopedic subject that is not the same idea as son montuno, which is also an encyclopedic subject. Therefore, both articles should exist and there will, of course, be overlap.

I did see your article at son montuno, and it looks great. Many thanks for your contributions on this subject.

Tuf-Kat 06:58, Oct 29, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, nevermind -- I finished with my source tonight, so do what you will. I don't think anything needs to be move out of this article, but be bold in updating pages. If you step on my toes, I will scream and shout and pout or otherwise make you aware, and we can discuss. I'm not entirely sure what you are in favor of doing. Can you give an example of links you want to remove, or sections you want to move elsewhere? Tuf-Kat 08:48, Oct 29, 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I am not sure what I have in mind (!). Normally, I am not timid about editing, but this is a complex subject. To begin with, something minor: I would change certain terms from links to italics, like periodo especial and nueva trova. And delink the names of a few very obscure musicians. It would make the article look slightly less like a Christmas tree. More than that, I have to think about it. All for now. -- Viajero 11:55, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Your latest change is great!!! Tuf-Kat 07:11, Oct 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouraging words. Up until yesterday, I thought that articles shouldn't duplicate each other, that similar texts should be merged or refactored into a separate article. But now I am not so sure. Some of the text here would improve the Son montuno article, but what is an article on Cuban music w/o a coverage of son? Anyway, I may tweak a few more things here but for the most part I think I will devote my energies to specific topics, like Rubén Blades where my proclivities and -- I hope -- my talents lie. -- Viajero 11:17, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Request for merge 2 new entry: timba 3 cuban music in spanish wikipedia 4 Reggaeton and pop/rock 5 El Benny 6 What about Bebo and Chucho Valdes??? and Gonzalo Rubacalba???

[edit] Request for merge

I moved a huge piece from Music of Cuba to already existing Son montuno. Please, someone who knows the topic, merge the two pieces and write a summary for the Music of Cuba#Son montuno section. If no one undertakes this in a week or two, I'll try to do it myself. Mikkalai 20:51, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I apologize to the authors of both articles, but it seems that they start to live their own separate lifes, and it is important to keep information coherent. Mikkalai 20:55, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] new entry: timba

Hey people I've created an entry for timba, which I felt was badly missing. I might go and doctor a little on this page. Minor things, like calling bata a genre (ouch)....

kashasu

I took the liberty of changing in "Tinga is to Havana what tango is to Buenos Aires and pagode is to Rio de Janeiro" for "samba is to Rio de Janeiro" since it works better to compare; pagode is a new wave and in no way as traditional as tango for example.

--El Chemaniaco 15:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. kash

[edit] cuban music in spanish wikipedia

I've been looking at other language Wikipedia articles. The Spanish-language Wikipedia has only one (!) paragraph on Cuban music (the Portuguese have one sentence). I'll take it upon myself to translate the timba article and perhaps to do a structured overview, roughly based on this one. If anyone in here speaks Spanish then please help! --kashasu 00:45, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I will help translating to both languages.

--El Chemaniaco 15:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reggaeton and pop/rock

I am sure there should be mention of Reggaeton, Cubanitos 20 02, and also some mention of groups like Moneda Dura and Buena Fe. -- Beardo 03:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] El Benny

And I can't see any mention of Benny More. I have included an adapted version of the opening paragraph from his article. -- Beardo 03:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What about Bebo and Chucho Valdes??? and Gonzalo Rubacalba???

They have pages on Wiki but aren't linked here...would seem they deserve a signicant mention??? They are considered by most with knowledge to be at or very near the top of Cuban jazz musicians. There really needs to be a section on Cuban jazz, and it should include both the musicians who have stayed in Cuba and those who have left, without an emphasis on the anti-Castro or pro-Castro group, especially the former. Tvccs 09:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)