Talk:Music of Canada's Maritimes

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[edit] Give me a break

Who wrote this page? Why do hip hop and heavy metal music warrant their own sections, while everything else of arguably more cultural significance gets lumped into the supposed "introduction"??? --Crabbyass 07:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I wrote much of what's here (not the metal section), based on the sources available at the time. I've now got at least one book with which I could expand significantly on folk music, but I haven't yet got around to doing so. Tuf-Kat 07:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I second Crabbyass' comments, no mention of April Wine, Sloan etc ad nauseum. I will add to this page soon. Wonnkabe 04:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I wrote a considerable amount on the Music of Nova Scotia page. I have nothing against the celtic music, okay, but to argue that marginal special interest music is "more culturally significant" than bands that actually sold millions of records like April Wine, or tens of thousands just in the Maritimes, such as Sloan and Matt Minglewood, is just completely subjective crap. The reason the the Hip Hop and Rock sections are so big is because people who are interested in those subjects wrote on those subjects. Let me put this clearly - I am all for you expanding on the trad/celtic part of this. But if you delete rock/hip hop or put in spurious, biased anti-encyclopedic stuff about 'the music of our culture' like used to be here a year ago, it will get ugly.

I urge you to increase the quality of information about other music and contribute in a positive and constructive manor. I urge you to read the Music of Canada page to see how both traditional and popular music and co-exist. This is about Music of Canada's Maritimes, not Maritime Celtic Music. WayeMason 19:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to start a war here or anything, but it is NOT subjective crap. I'm sorry, but the type of music that has been around since the begininng of the province IS more culturally significant than a genre that has been there for 50 or so years. If I visit a page on the music of Java or Okinawa or China or Nigeria or India, I would expect an article focusing on the development of their individual musical style that has existed for, in some cases, thousands of years. I would NOT want to see 90% of the page discussing the Hindustani Hip-Hop scene simply because a few groups have sold thousands of records. The same goes for the music of Canada's maritimes...someone from Italy researching the history of the Music of Canada's Maritimes, should expect a comprehensive discussion of the traditional music of that particular region. This is an encyclopedia, not a popularity contest.

I'm not arguing to get rid of the rock/hip-hop sections at all. I am all-for their inclusion. All I'm saying is that the traditional music (not necessarily folk) of Canada's Maritimes deserves to be the main focus of any encyclopaedic article on the region's music, just as it is with Inuit music, Greek music and Korean music. This article should follow the standard format of a brief introduction, followed by sections on Traditional/Folk Music, Popular music (subdivided, of course), and maybe even Classical music. I apologize if you thought it was my intention to rid the article completely of popular music, as this is not the case. It simply needs better "Wikification". --Crabbyass 19:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

That's a major POV problem. The article on Maritime music can not take a position on which genres are most important or significant. The article's job is simply to introduce each relevant field. Inuit music is mostly about folk music because there's little else to say, Music of Greece has more about popular than folk, and Korean music has to be more about folk/classical music because popular traditions are divided into two countries.

As far as I know, popular music is not a major part of Maritime music -- there are local popular scenes that are better described at more specific subarticles (and only very briefly summarized here), and other popular musics are generally along the same lines as elsewhere in Canada, and are better covered at Music of Canada and other subarticles. Similarly, classical music is not especially different in the maritimes than elsewhere in Canada. Therefore, we should have a section on folk music, describing in what ways there is or is not a Maritime folk tradition, and a section on popular music, describing in what ways there is or is not a Maritime popular tradition, and so on for classical music, music industry, music education, etc. If there's a lot to say about Maritime folk music (and not more specific topics, like by province), then we need an article on Maritime folk music. Tuf-Kat 20:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

If you read the main article on Music of Canada you see that Shania Twain is in fact mentioned in the introduction. The article is about all Music of Canada. It goes to follow that all subordinate articles would be about all music of the region/province, traditional and not. That is the point of this series.

I think its a stretch at the best of times to talk about the traditional celtic derived music as being a regional music. I doubt the wasp citizens of of Fredericton or the hard working blue collar workers of Saint John had a "celtic tradition", or the German settlers of Lunenberg for that matter! I would need to see evidence that there was a region wide music culture that cross polinated, my understanding that there were very specific pockets in Cape Breton and around Antigonish that were very very strong from the highland clearance period onward, and that should be documented.

I spent a fair amount of time thinking on this, and I am actually going to propose we merge this article with Music of Nova Scotia and the other two where appropriate, and create a "Traditional Music of the Maritimes" section. I don't think we to continue with a regional article that will inevitably result in considerable duplication between the provincial and regional articles. WayeMason 20:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Very much disagree with merging this article anywhere. We should have an article on the Music of Canada's Maritimes that covers all relevant aspects. If we need a subarticle on folk music, then that's a separate issue entirely. Tuf-Kat 23:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)