Talk:Musō Jikiden Eishin-ryū

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[edit] ZNIR Focus?

This summary of Eishinryu tends to be very ZNIR centred, especially with regard to the list of Soke after Hyakuren Kono. I would suggest that we make some attempt to reflect at least the three major federations (ZNKR, ZNIR and DNIR) in the pages.

• Somehow the balance between all of them is going to be hard to maintain. Each one of the different lineage groups tend to believe their way is right, and that all others are not. Is there possibly a way we can gracefully include all of the major linages, without going crazy about mutli-revisions and not produce some sort of war out of it? I am in the ZNIR group (well my ranking comes from Seitokai actually) so I know what I have added is mostly true of ZNIR and the MJER that I study. But I am aware that there are other variations on the theme, and other groups who claim the same style name with different path from Oe-soke. I've only vaugely aware of Dai Nippon Iaido Renmei (DNIR) other than it was formed in 1974. (70.122.231.223 10:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC))

• • I like the idea of focusing on ZNKR, ZNIR and DNIR, and then perhaps an "Unaffilliated Groups". I'm also ZNIR (since 1990) but have also briefly visited a DNIR dojo outside of Japan to practice. DNIR was a split off group due to Fukui Torao Seisan becoming Soke. I knew Fukui Soke and now am a member of his son's dojo. There was much controversy and when I started Iaido in 1990, there was still negative talk amoung the higher ranking sensei about this. I think if we can maintain objectivity and have some DNIR and ZNKR to become involved this article could be a comprehensive and definitive article.--Jdcounselling 08:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• • To my knowledge, ZNKR has no authoritative control over MJER or any koryū system. It only controls its own koryū derived ZenKenRen Iai and Jo kata. This is addressed on the main iaidō page now. I can't speak for the other federations but I'm sure traditionalists would object to their identification as being "in control" as well, since they are all modern constructions. Just because a shihan is a member of a particular federation doesn't mean that it is officially endorsed or under federation control. I think it would be best to list where the splits and disputes in the lineage exist in a neutral manner to keep everyone happy. Where multiple branches are using the same name, delinate them as XYZ-ha MJER. Red phase 23:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should we seperate the kata/waza/techniques and put them in a new article?

What the topic says. The list of kata and the works is taking up alot of space in this article. I think we can afford to move them to a new article and expand the other sections of Eishin-ryu instead. Any yays or nays? Fred26 20:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• I would agree to that, but we really need some of the respected iaido sensei and high ranking praticitioners to shed some of their history of the art to the article. This is hard, though, as much of MJER has been, and will be, kept "within the family" (70.122.231.223 10:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC))

• I agree with moving the waza list to a new article. If other Remei are represented in the main article then the differences in the respective waza "lists" can also be reflected in the waza article.--Jdcounselling 07:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

I know some of, but not all, of my own style's lineage and history, but not well enough to post all of it without verifying it first. If you study MJER, regardless of your particular governing affiliation (znir/znkr/dnir/dnkr/etc etc), and know history of your affiliation, or your lineage, etc... please add it (here or article). I know we all believe in our own lineage strongly, but hopefully through all of it, we can find some common truths, or find a way to incorporate all of it into the story that is MJER today. (70.122.231.223 10:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC))