Talk:Murder of Tom ap Rhys Pryce

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This article was nominated for deletion on 29/1/2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Contents 1 Confusion about date 2 GA hold 3 Political Reaction 4 Infobox? 5 Work to become FA 6 Extra image 7 Renaming 8 Tracing 9 WP:BLP

[edit] Confusion about date

some news sources report that the murder was on the 12 january others say the 17th and still others say the 21. Though they where arrested on the 18th and there was an appeal for witnesses, so it must have been the 12th. Therefore i ask that unless someone can prove otherwise they do not change the date--Fabio 16:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA hold

Make the lead a summary of the article, see WP:LEAD. See if you can expand the details more. Footnotes go after punctuation. Rlevse 01:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

What's "went on to gain a first"? Non-Brits won't know that.Rlevse 23:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thats the correct way of defining his achievent in his degree, i'l try to link it to an explination.--Fabio^Talk 00:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Two last items, 1) make the lead two paragraphs and more a summary of the article, 2) can you add to the article? It's rather short. Rlevse 19:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, on your secound point it would be rather difficult to add more to the article, there isnt anything else to say on the subject. At least not anything that can be sourced.--Fabio^Talk 19:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there any problem with length? Its all cited and covers pretty much everything possible. RHB 19:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well i didnt think it was possible but i added some new information, a new section on "political reaction", a sub-section on Donnel carty's cousin and the legacy of a vietnamese school built in pryce's memory. Anything else you think needs doing inorder to bring this up to GA status?--Fabio^Talk 00:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Only that you didn't expand the lead, just put a carriage return. Try to make it have at least one sentence on each major topic, the lead should be a summary of the rest of the article.Rlevse 13:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Well i think i've done what you've asked for, so is that issue resolved or is there more?--Fabio^Talk 04:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Pass: nice improvments. For more improvment, flesh out his early life and add the infobox.Rlevse 13:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political Reaction

Does anyone think Political Reaction should go under legacy? Im not intirly sure it needs its own section.--Fabio^Talk 00:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd leave it alone.Rlevse 13:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox?

Does nayone think it would be good to have an infobox, there isnt one for murder victims or lawyers, so im just gonna use a biography one.--Fabio^Talk 04:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Work to become FA

I'm going to try and bring this article up to featured article status.

If anyone can give any sugestions on how to make this a featured article please help.--Fabio^Talk 02:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra image

no clue where to put it. Must find some space.--Fabio^Talk 04:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming

Any objections to renaming this article Tom ap Rhys Price? Particularly as it also contains info on his background. AndrewRT(Talk) 23:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

why not also change the name to dellano brown or donnel carty??? this isnt an article about any singular person, its about an event and how that event changed things.--Fabio^Talk 23:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The result of the deletion noination was a suggestion that it is renamed. AndrewRT(Talk) 23:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually only 2 user "suggested" that, there was no final decision to change the name. Anyway dont you think that it would be a bit strange to have this article named after him if his murderers have about the same amount of bio info on them in the article. But if you feel it should be re-named then your entitled to your opinion, lets see if others support you in that.--Fabio^Talk 01:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tracing

It seems that Pryce's stolen mobile phone was used by one of the killers. This helped the Police trace at least one of the two.

[edit] WP:BLP

I have removed the section "motivation", as it consisted only of "Ostensibly, the motive was financial. In reality, the two knew that they would get little or nothing and the real motive was racial", with no source. The Biography of Living Persons policy applies here, even if we are discussing convicted murderers. Natalie 23:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It is very hard to produce sources for secret intentions and motives that are silent, invisible, intangible, odourless and tasteless. The total financial benefit to the two was £50 or £100. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.74.62.19 (talk)

Well, if sources can't be provided then the information doesn't belong in the article. That's just the way it is. Natalie 18:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)