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[edit] So I herd you liek mudkips

Does including the meme in the page affect the page negatively at all, and if so how? I feel that even if it may be trivial it should be included because it makes the article more complete. Also on the topic of notability if you would direct your attention to "Notability guidelines do not directly limit article-content" of WP:NOTABILITY it clearly states "These and all the notability guidelines are for allowable article topics within Wikipedia, not for allowable content within a legitimate Wikipedia article." Therefore the meme is not notable enough to have its own article but should remain as a minor section of mudkips. The argument that the meme is not notable is only valid if it was made into a separate page not if it is included in a small section of the mudkips article.Kuro-yan 07:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add content related to the 4chan meme "So I herd you leik mudkips" to the page. There has been much discussion about it, and it is not notable enough for wikipedia. However, if you would like to debate this point, please do it under this section.--Ac1983fan 20:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

How can you debate the notability of what is essentially a internet driven humor saying? Unless the thing was in TIme Magazine you wouldn't include it because it doesn't fit under the rigid system in place. It exists. That should be enough. Just mention the saying on any sort of forum and you'll get a respone.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.116.71.184 (talk • contribs).

You exist, I exist, my one page book report exist, yet they are not on wikipedia because of WP:NOTABILITY. If "So I herd you leik mudkips" becomes mentioned in any respectable news source, including but not limited to IGN.com, gamespot.com, TIME Magazine, USA today, and The New York times, than I will be more than happy to include it into the article. Thank you.--Ac1983fan 21:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why it can't be featured in a tiny stub at the article, especially when Dio Brando and his Wryyyyyyyy internet meme have a full stub in the main article. What's notable about that? This whole logic process is flawed.164.116.70.233 17:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

But it appears in the game making it more notable. You'll be hard pressed to find a point in the game where "so I herd you leik mudkips" in any pokemon game.--Ac1983fan 17:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes it occurs in the game and Manga. However how is WRYYYYY that notable? So it's there. What's so notable about it? I'm here, your here, your book report is here, but someone just so happens to make a joke about it on THE INTERNET. That's the only reason it's relevant. Because of people on the internet making fun of AN ASPECT OF IT FOR HUMOR. Your logic is flawed. Why can't we put an internet Meme relating to a specific Pokemon? 24.17.214.242 02:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

becuase its just a random thing that has almost nothing to do with the actual pokemon that some guy made up. It is not notable enough for wikipedia. The other thing, I don't know much about, but memes that are quotes from games are much more notable then things made up on a website in one day.--Ac1983fan 15:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

But that's where the flaw in your logic presides. Wrryyy by itself has nothing notable about it, but has it's own sub-section. SIHULM is notable for wikipedia because of the fact that is is a unique creation of the internet, fostered by the largest english imageboard on the planet, and has become synonymous with the pokemon in general. You can't deny that is exists by keeping it out of a wiki page. Whether you think it's dumb or not isn't an issue. It's notable because of the momentum it's carried, and for what it represents in the open atmosphere of the internet. SIHULM represents every single internet meme, and joke among nerds, pokemaniacs, geeks, dorks, and all other internet trogdophiles. Simply even going to any sort of a convention and mentioning it would get you over a hundred responses. Just visit gaming conventions like PAX, or anime conventions like SakuraCon. I know from personal experience. Amidst Lan Parties, frenzied Guitar Hero matches, and Tabletop Gaming Panels that are right next to a keynote on Nerdcore music, all the while down the hall from a Beanbag utopia of DS Pictochat with people drawing from the pool of internet memes like SIHULM, it is apart of modern internet and gamer culture. It's a piece of internet heritage, even for something as small as a 6 word joke. Denying it only serves as a disservice to the internet, and all who look upon it.RoboChocobo 08:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

God, I give up. nobody ever bothers to read WP:NOTE, do they? but whatever.--Ac1983fan 14:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the possibility exists that they've read it, and that they disagree with your interpretation of it - astonishing, I know. From my perspective, the Notability aspect only suggests that there's no need for a "SIHULM" ARTICLE - it in NO WAY argues against a mention of the pop culture relevance of "SIHULM" on Mudkip's actual page. Lack of notability does NOT automatically disqualify referencing it (as opposed to making an entire article about it), any more than the millions of pop culture references on other Wiki pages need to be removed simply because they ARE pop culture. In any case, WP:NOTE itself blatantly states that there are times when Notability should be suspended anyway - if a significant number of people are coming to this page to find out what "SIHULM" means, then it belongs here, whether you think so or not. It doesn't need a massive 17 paragraph description explaining every subtle nuance of its meaning and origin - simply mentioning that it IS a popular Internet meme might be enough. Hossenfeffer 00:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Just merge it. Hell, I came on here just to find out what it meant. I hear it all the time. The intentions of the developers are secondary to the functionality of the website.

No they aren't. They are still upheld, because they contribute to the overall quality of Wikipedia. Having these guidelines prevents this place from being overrun with any content that is merely popular enough to be included. If you would actually read the guidelines, you'd see that for inclusion a piece of information need only be verifiable - meaning a reputable source has said it - it need not be true by some objective standard, for example. Notability is just one guideline that enforces some sort of minimum criteria for inclusion, to prevent everything you can imagine from being thrown on here. Personally I think the rules need to be stricter, laid out more clearly, and much, MUCH more accessible to the average person, so that we can eliminate the simpsons and family guy references on every damn article for one. It doesn't matter that you hear it all the time or come here for it, that's not the kind of reasoning that serves as a good general purpose guideline for inclusion, and that's why you won't find it in the wikipedia guidelines. If you want every stupid meme on the planet, with no verification, and lots of "fag", "furry", "Mom's basement" littering the article (because that's HILARIOUS! It never gets old!), try Encyclopedia Dramatica; And you guys can complain about us "wikifags" who want to enforce some sort of standard at all while you're at it

And yes, there are many articles that also fail to meet the criteria, yet still have pages. Well, they shouldn't be. Your reasoning needs to catch up with the 21st century: This is a wiki, it is a perpetual work in progress, there are always things here that don't belong here. The freedom with which it's edited is both the strength and weakness of this format TheBilly 16:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Christ, just add it somewhere. I came here looking for an explanation as to the history and meaning of the phrase, and I get nothing. I hear and read the damn phrase all the time, and it's really starting to annoy me. An internet craze is most deffinately notable enough for Wikipedia, even if it's not mentioned in any sources you deem reputable. I guerentee I'm not the only one who looked at this article hoping to find something about the phrase... --NukeMTV 08:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

"Encylcopedia Dramatica" has it, and it's actually correct about where it comes from. (I can't actually link it, you can find the url yourself >>) Now please, we do not need it here.—ウルタプ 14:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

can somebody explain what this "i herd you liek mudkips" thing is about? While it hasn't been formally published, it is a fairly prominent modern injoke on the internet. And I don't know what it means. And I think wikipedia is best if it's A Site In Which People Can Use For Reference On Things They Would Like To Know About instead of being A Big Index Of Everything Formally Published. Certainly, the meme-driven popularity of Mudkips it's a more prominent attribute of Mudkips than, say, the number of the episode in which mudkip evolves.--Zodberg 13:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

heh, I came here too looking for an explaination. But even weirder, I came here due to seeing this joke mentioned on wikipedia itself! Yet nothing here to explain it... Mathmo Talk 16:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I too came for an explanation to this meme...and does anyone know how to sign these things?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mavrickindigo (talk • contribs).
Type ~~~~ to sign posts. It's right there near the top of the page while you're editing. Anyway. Go to a site called "Encyclopedia Dramatica" and search for Mudkip there. (Google it or something; linking there is disabled here.)—ウルタプ 00:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Liek Mudkips

What do you mean it is not notable enough? It's an everyday saying on 4chan and it has spread to all the chan pages. I've had people ask me what it means. And rather than have to goto a seedy site like urbandictionary, they should be ble to use wikipedia to site this reference. Other reference to internetrelated humor are on wikipedia. Why shouldn't this be on the appropriate page?—167.1.163.100 17:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Well it seems after reading the responses posted by people that we DO need the reference to the meme here on wikipedia. This isn't about what has been published, it's about things in general. 167.1.163.100 03:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

While a post has been made in reference to internet culture, I belive a fuller explination is in order. L33t Masta 07:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, the only reason I searched for "Mudkip" was because of "So I herd you liek mudkips"...still not sure what's that about. Apparently, it's something inappropriate. Jumping cheese Cont@ct 10:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
No, not really. It's just a very popular Internet meme. --AlexJohnc3 (talk) 00:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well regaurdless it still needs to be mentioned. And just because a couple people don't want it added doesn't mean it shouldn't. It pertains to popular culture and as such should be added. 167.1.163.100 22:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. Some people on Wikipedia are strongly against anything involving 4chan, Encyclopedia Dramatica, or anything else pertaining to Internet culture. They're a minority on Wikipedia, but at least two or three of them are actually administrators here and have managed to rally some people to support them who actively seek to keep any references to Internets memes they see as involving places like Encyclopedia Dramatica on Wikipedia, as is shown by people trying to keep any reference to the "so i herd u liek mudkips" meme on this page, when it is probably the main reason people visit the page on Mudkip on Wikipedia in the first place. --AlexJohnc3 (talk) 21:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
How can you agree with an anon? My 9-month old eskimo/pomeranian puppy's opinion is more valid. In fact, most of the edits on the talk page are by anons. This CRAP doesn't talk about Mudkip as a Pokemon at all. And can somebody please give a link to somewhere that has this information and is a reputable source? Without one, that whole section would violate Wikipedia:Reliable sources, as none of that information is sourced or can be linked back to a site and should be permanently REMOVED!!!. --05:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Ksy92003
Hi, Ksy. Firstly, anon opinions are not less valuable than a puppy's; don't bite the newbies. Secondly, I'd like to say that, as someone who has experienced this fad personally, the fad did happen; as such, I can vouch for the truth of the content in question (well, except maybe for some specifics, but I don't know); having said that, I doubt there is a reliable secondary source we can cite for this (As it stands, we only have primary sources to cite - Forum search of "so i herd you leik mudkips", 30 results Forum search of "so i herd you liek mudkips" (liek, instead of leik), about 300 results - This is just the results from NSider, though.), and as such it would not qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia, as per Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Attribution. – mcy1008 (talk) 14:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, that's fine with me. Also, I'd like to note that you can get many more results, including many of the variations on "so i herd you liek mudkips" by searching for "so i herd" in Google, for example, instead of the entire phrase: http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22so+i+herd%22 . 23,600 results. --Alexc3 (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
So what does that mean as far as it's inclusion in the article; are we gonna leave it in or take it out? I didn't think it passed WP:VERIFY. --15:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Ksy92003
Right now I think we should leave it out. --Alexc3 (talk) 17:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Alternatively, since a large number, if not the majority, of people coming to this page want to know about the Internet meme, we could instead put {{not verified}} in that section. --Alexc3 (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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