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VH1 Classic is showing a special on this (disappointing, so don't go out of your way to find it). They show the beginning as the 15 minute leadup and countdown for one of the space shuttle launches, before "Ladies and gentlemen, rock and roll!" and the original MTV theme song. I'm not going to edit this because because I can't verify whether the countdown occurred at 11:45

== MTV Programming on Sept 11, 2001? ==for 24 hours as part of the year's Hate Crimes awareness campaign.

Was this also totally not true on 9/11..? Didn't almost all networks and stations flip to some sort of news coverage? I remember seeing like MSNBC news on Bravo or something... MPScan

I believe that for 48 hours after the attacks, they showed a blue screen that said that they had ceased regular programming in respect to the important events that had taken place, or something like that. ThePacMan 19:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they aired CBS News coverage on the day itself, and then that night (around 11 p.m. ET), switched to a constant, commercial-free rotation of music videos that might lift people's spirits. That continued until Friday, September 14th, when they aired a special news edition of "TRL" to talk about it. --Samvscat 19:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] mtv brasil

here in brazil they were sued in 2002 by an non-governmental organization, 'cause they put 180 frames of sadomasoquism and pedophilia in an add. and now they were sued once again 'cause of pedophilia in a mtv unpluggeed song, and the government obligated them to pass info about child sexual abbuse. ehere is a link in portuguese and at the bottom of tha page you can see 2 frames from the first add: http://www.mensagemsubliminar.com.br/noticias.php?action=view&id=NDUxMDYuNg==


==General== What nobody seemed to add to the article is the fact that MTV LATIN AMERICA completely replaced their programming on 9/11 to show live coverage of the events of that day.

Does the MTV Series box in this article also not render properly for other Firefox users? Remy B 07:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

How about an article about mtv censorship? An index about the banned videos and stuff life that?

If such a page is done, it should be noted its solely MTV US and MTV UK&IRL that censor videos. MTV Central does not, for instance. --Kiand 21:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Do you count the vids they refuse to show at all? Trekphiler 08:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

An event mentioned in this article is a August 1 selected anniversary

Removed TRL from the list of shows - it's primarily a music/video show, which is different from the others in the list. (If you want to include them, it should be in a separate section along with Yo MTV Raps, Headbanger's Ball, etc.) Removed the name of the director of Video Killed the Radio Star (Russel Mulcahy). Not relevant enough to the MTV page. GGano

The criticism section is, as it stands, completely unfounded and could easily simply be the opinion of the writer. Would be useful to have some references. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:51, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

p.s. isn't it a little odd that this page has been moved back and forth at least three times, and yet there is no talk page discussion about the most appropiate name? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:51, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

And now it has been moved AGAIN. And still no discussion. WHY? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 22:13, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Quite agree. The fact that the article also describes Magyar Televisió and Mainos-TV makes the move inappropriate, which is why I'm moving it back. Arwel 00:07, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
For whatever it's worth, I also agree that MTV is the right place for this, both for the reason Arwell states and because that's the name of the channel ("Music Television") being a subtitle of sorts. . . Jgm 00:55, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
For what its worth I just found out my television calls it MTV (channel four-hundred-and-something). Let's keep it here (MTV) from now on unless someone says why not on this page. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 08:58, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Page moved by User:YOMHER AGAIN without discussion, and moved back. Strong note left on his user page not to move it without discussion here. Arwel 22:09, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is it really true that MTV started out as a rock music video station? I was under the impression that even in their early years they played a lot of pop---Duran Duran, New Order, Madonna, and so on. --Delirium 22:42, May 8, 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't describe The Buggles (whose Video Killed the Radio Star was the first video played on MTV) as rock! -- Arwel 23:27, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
By the way, whatever happened to the details of Magyar Televisio and Mainos TV which used to be on this page? -- Arwel 23:27, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
When MTV started the video scene was pretty new, so they would pretty much play whatever was sent to them. It was more new-wave than traditional pop. This came from some (pathetic) history of MTV that VH1 had aired at one point, with one of the veejays talking about it.

This entry could use the MTV logo... if there was permission to use it. Allyunion 10:44, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

How about a screenshot of the Moonman and the MTV flag

[edit] Zig & Zag

Hmmmm... anyone has suggestions about where to add the sockpuppets Zig & Zag? With the cartoons? SietskeEN 13:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm guessing you might mean Zig and Zag (puppets), but I can't ever remember them being on MTV... --Kiand 13:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Well... they were at MTV Europef around 1994. I believe Ray Cokes proclaimed to have introduced them, but I'm not quite sure. Thanks anyway for the link! SietskeEN 08:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Whatever happened to Nipplegate?

I had noticed that there wasn't anything in the article about the Superbowl XXXVIII halftime show. As MTV produced the show, that should at least have some mention in there - regardless of how each person feels about the network and the show itself.
JesseG 20:43, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guest hosts

Anybody think including guest DJs would be a good idea? First one, I hear, was Adam Ant. (Personally, I could care less, but...) Trekphiler 08:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The criticism

As much as I agree with the criticisms of MTV, it does seem fairly biased. I love this article and agree with it entirely, but it appears to be extremely biased.

The criticism article does seem to have multiple unattributed quotes. It could certainly use a cleanup. BinaryTed 16:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree it warrants a cleanup. This section is an accumulation of "critic" complaints with no specific critics being cited. Moreover, it reads like a gossip column of subjective bias, drowning in music trivia.
Thefool 22:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Fear Factor" an imitator of "Fear"?

From what little I've seen of these two shows, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say "Fear Factor" is an imitator of "Fear". Besides being reality shows with "Fear" in the title, the two shows have distinctly different styles... in "Fear" the people are immersed into a situation with helmet-mounted cameras, whereas Fear Factor is a series of disconnected "games" shot conventionally. BinaryTed 16:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political Influence

The section on political influence makes it look like they only cared about the 2004 US presidential election. There should be some note reguarding previous elections, especially the 1992 presidential election, since the youth vote was heavily attributed to Clinton's win. ErikNY 15:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree, I clearly remember in the early 90s when the network veered into political issues. The coverage of issues was extremely one-sided. That was about the time I'd had finally had enough and switched off the network. --208.204.155.241 18:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] maryury y mayra

hola amigos de mtv queria decirles que me encantan su musica y sus videos pero queria que pasen una cancion que bueno estoy buscando su nombre pero no lo encuentro su video please envienme todos los nombres de las 100principales 2005 ami correo: charmed_mamg@hotmail.com

[edit] intro

To say that MTV "abandoned" music is a little bit extreme. No one would argue the shift in focus of MTV's programming, but there are shows dedicated to music videos, and music videos regularly play late at night.

  • "To say that MTV "abandoned" music is a little bit extreme."

No it's not, it's the truth. And how are artists (Yes the crappy ones they play on MTV) going to get recognized when they play late at night and maybe an hour during the day? -Saint Jimmy

[edit] MTV: The decline

While the article acknowledges that the network is no longer as popular as it once was, and also that it is frequently criticized for rarely playing music. What I don't get from the article is a clear explanation for why the network veered more and more away from videos towards non-music related shows that made it popular, and seems to be (from the criticism) what people want the network to be.

I'm no way connected to MTV Networks/Viacom. I just have a strong interest in American mass media. There could be several factors. Of course, the popularity of MTV's reality shows as The Real World, Punk'd, Laguna Beach, Newlyweds, and My Super Sweet 16 are pretty much the reason why it has distance itself from music video programming. In fact, the New York Times had a pretty lenghtly article in April 26 just devoted to the popularity of "My Super Sweet 16." [1]They're a lot of competition in the music video programming such as Fuse TV. MTV also expanded into specialized digital cable video channels devoted to music videos e.g., MTV Jams, VH1 Classics, etc., and has a web site that let's visitors streaming music videos online called, "MTV Overdrive." For a business decision, it makes sense in my opinion. Originally, MTV use to show the "top" music videos of the year special in December on their "flagship" cable channel but in 2005 MTV advertise to watch the top videos of 2005 in the "MTV Overdrive" website. MTV's other network channels have a similar service e.g., "VH1 V-Spot," "Comedy Central Motherload", "MTVU Uber", etc., As someone already mention in this discussion tab, MTV (America) do airs music videos in the late night and early mornings most of the time. The MTV Wikipedia article needs some work with appropriate citations and it is slanted POV with the Criticism taking most of the space, of course needs to be cited and contain factual information. --Who What Where Nguyen Why 19:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
You raise some good points, but the move away from videos and music started in the late 80's and accelerated in the early 90s, long before many of the hit shows you mention, or internet on-demand capabilities. There also weren't the alternative cable channels because satellite and digital cable weren't prevelant then. Many of the reality shows they tried to introduce didn't last long, apart from the occasional hits like Beavis and Butthead, or Real World, implying that the attempts weren't clicking with the audience. They must be getting ratings or they wouldn't do it, but popular opinion seems to be unanimous that MTV declined when they stopped focusing on music. I can only conclude that there must be legions of people secretly watching and enjoying this programming. --208.204.155.241 15:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Park was MTV produced???

was it really? Realferrari 08:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

You might be thinking of Beavis and Butthead. Mr. C.C. 07:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MTV Wanted to take over Much Music

I heard from a guy I know who lived in Toronto for a time that MTV wanted to take over Much Music. I can't find a citation, but CHUM (Much Music owners) didn't want to become an MTV station. If anyone can find this information, then it would be good to put in the article. Mr. C.C. 07:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serious cleanup needed.

Particularly in the "criticism" section. Every other word is "also." Kestrel 17:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

    • MTV UK has recently been under fire as it no longer airs any daytime music videos, outside of parts of a few shows like Total Request Live and Making the Video, and focuses primarily on MTV produced reality shows such as The Osbournes and Punk'd. Many argue, however, that as MTV runs nine music channels in the UK, it has delegated music videos to its genre channels in a bid to differentiate itself from the competition of the fourteen other music video-oriented channels. Videos are also often played between other shows and at night.
    • MTV UK has also been attacked for over-use of on-screen graphics, such as logos, programme promotion and countdown timers, and its electronica-themed genre channel MTV Dance is often derided for playing a lack of dance music during the day, preferring a mix of pop-dance, pop, and R&B. Ironically, the channel has also been criticized for lacking programming.
    • Critics have said that MTV was like "pornography for children."
    • There are also critics of MTV and their reality shows such as NEXT, the game dating show that demoralizes individuals by making the daters complete various tasks and games only to be "Nexted" when they were not pleasing enough because of their looks. The show also airs homosexual daters, which can be seen as controversial and just a ratings ploy.
    • Another field that MTV has dabbled in is gaming. MTV was the first channel to show the new Xbox 360,gaming purists have been angered at the fact that MTV got the first look at the system and not established game medias like G4TV(however G4 itself has changed in recent months as well). Also gamers have the tendency to boycott anything MTV has to offer about gaming whther they are reviews or Award Shows.A majority of the gaming world depises MTV because of the fact they review games solely on fads. For example MTV was extremely estatic on the new 50 Cent:Bulletproof game which did sell well but hated by veteran gamers.

The above are examples of things that need citations. And when I mean citations, I mean more than just some bloke on an intenet forum saying 'MTV is shit because it no longer plays music.' Anon Dude 15:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Although MTV is shit because it no longer plays music, I also agree also that it also needs citations also. Kestrel 01:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


++The timeline seems totally arbitrary. Why should "eras" be split by odd years when no apparent change is detectable? To me the only clear changes were from all-music format to the current one. - Plasticbadge 17:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What about the Fuzzy Psycho Animals?

I remember MTV used to air a cartoon in which cute fuzzy animals ended up either mutilating themselves or killing each other. Anyone knows the name of this cartoon? --TLW 13:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy Tree Friends, but I dont remember MTV showing it...

[edit] BET VS MTV

MTV isn't as nearly as good as BET. Whoever made that statement. --So Fresh and So Clean_Wish U Was Me 22:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Censorship

Removed the Panic at the Disco line under censorship. The word "god" is censored not becuase of it's religeous connotations, but rather the fact the "goddamn" (as in "goddamn door") is considered "inappropriate" (for taking the lord's name in vein) by Standards, but "damn" is acceptible to them.

Oh yeah, MTV has gone overboard with censorship on anything potentially offensive or controversial. MTV refused to air Madonna's several music videos in the past like "Justify My Love" and the stripped "Like A Prayer" made headlines in 1990. MTV banned comedian Andrew Dice Clay in his vulgarity streak in the 1989 VMA's and the infamous quote from the 2005 Hurricane Katrina relief drive when Kanye West stated "Bush don't like black people". Certain music videos like one by Nine Inch Nails and sorry not to remember the song's name, had literally blocked half the video's scenes as "disturbing" like the image of a monkey on a cruficix. Some of the classic music videos like "I'm turning Japanese", "Mexican Radio" and "Pretty Fly For a White Guy" would be censored today due to political correctness. I don't know there's a liberal or conservative management in the network, but MTV are probably afraid on what kind of material they transmit and how it can influence their main young adult/teenage audience. --Mike D 26 16:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
MTV often positioned itself as militantly anti-censorship in much of its political programming, yet they do an extreme amount of self censorship, much of it voluntary, since other prime-time shows would sometimes freely air content that MTV censored. What they choose to censor and what they choose to show often makes little sense. Their policy seems ad-hoc or applied inconsistantly. --208.204.155.241 15:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] M

All I have to say is the letter "M" is supposed to stand for MUSIC, man!!!

Yep. MTV is shit and worse, it brainwashes young people. Sad.

[edit] moral influence

The most important part of MTV's critique are the videos and the clothing of the artist there. their it may influence the changes in lifestyle of the youth.  Also maybe expand into the social and educational influence that MTV imposes among the youth of America.

[edit] Criticism - Racial discrimination

The Janet Jackson mention at the bottom of the racial discrimination has nothing to do with racial discrimination and should be moved elsewhere. --Neilajh 23:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I have moved it the the section titled "Moral influence". --Ezeu 02:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The entire section is nothing but POV with nothing to substantiate its accusations. I've {{fact}} tagged every accusation, and if they are not substantiated, I'll remove them. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I've waited 5 days and it hasn't been sourced. I have removed the entire section. Source it and it can go back. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christina Norman, president of MTV?

I read in this article that the president of MTV is Christina Norman, but this article says it's Tom Freston. I'd change it, but I want to check here to make sure I'm not missing some organizational subtlety. --Allen 06:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

No response, so I went ahead and changed it. --Allen 14:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ha!

I love how someone created a redirect for Empty-V to this page! I found it funny and relavent. Darwin's Bulldog 04:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup desperately needed

Among the things to do:

  1. Move that way-too-technical information out of the intro paragraph
  2. Rewrite the history section with better divisions/sections
  3. Improve "Diversification" into a section on other MTV channels; some of that stuff from the intro paragraph could be moved here
  4. Consolidate all of the International stuff, combine into Diversification
  5. Analyze the objectivity and relevance of everything in "Criticism"
  6. How did "Influence on American liberal politics" even get in here?
  7. Spin off "Cartoons" into its own MTV Animation article, or rewrite it as a paragraph within MTV's history
  8. Delete or move the irrelevant "MTV: Virtual" and "Trivia" sections
  9. Move "Station IDs" into history of the channel
  10. "Slogans" is getting out of control, I don't know what to do with that
  11. "MTV in popular culture" is also huge; should this be its own article?

--Samvscat 08:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite carried out

Well, I did just about all of those things... if anyone has a problem with it, let me know. --Samvscat 13:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top videos by year, 1981-2005

This list was in the article; I removed it because I don't think it's relevant enough to be in the article, and I put all the other lists into their own articles. However, I think someone would nominate this for deletion if I made an article for it. So, here it is... Top videos on music.mtv.com per year, 8/1/2006

  1. 1981- The Buggles - "Video Killed The Radio Star"
  2. 1982- Prince - "1999"
  3. 1983- Michael Jackson - "Thriller"
  4. 1984- Prince - "Let's Go Crazy"
  5. 1985- Madonna - "Like a Virgin"
  6. 1986- a-ha - "Take on Me"
  7. 1987- Whitney Houston - "I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)"
  8. 1988- Guns N' Roses - "Sweet Child O' Mine"
  9. 1989- Metallica - "One"
  10. 1990- Sinéad O'Connor - "Nothing Compares 2 U"
  11. 1991- Nirvana -"Smells Like Teen Spirit"
  12. 1992- U2 - "One"
  13. 1993- Dr.Dre (featuring Snoop Dogg) - "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang"
  14. 1994- Snoop Dogg - "Gin and Juice"
  15. 1995- Green Day - "When I Come Around"
  16. 1996- No Doubt - "Don't Speak"
  17. 1997- The Notorious B.I.G. - "Hypnotize"
  18. 1998- 'N Sync - "Tearin' Up My Heart"
  19. 1999- Britney Spears - "...Baby One More Time"
  20. 2000- Eminem - "The Real Slim Shady"
  21. 2001- Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mýa and P!nk - "Lady Marmalade"
  22. 2002- Missy Elliott - "Work It"
  23. 2003- OutKast - "Hey Ya!"
  24. 2004- Snoop Dogg (featuring Pharrell) - "Drop It Like It's Hot"
  25. 2005- Green Day - "Boulevard of Broken Dreams"

--Samvscat 05:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Debut

Can someone clarify the following paragraph please? Where does the disparity between the "official" and "actual" figure come from? The immediate impact statement doesn't make any sense to me, is it trying to state that 6 people would be gathered around the TV for every "subscriber"? I'm afraid that I don't know enough about the channel history to correct this paragraph. Camw 05:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

  • "At launch time, the official subscriber count across America was 3,000,000 (the actual number was 500,000), but the immediate impact would have argued that every young adult's television in the country was tuned to MTV."

[edit] Omission of Hip-Hop

Shouldn't Yo, MTV Raps at least be listed in the section MTV comes of age - Format evolution? --Kyebaush 15:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

This page seems to have a lot of vandalism which I can't clean-up, as a new user. Would someone else mind doing it? 24.1.49.178 21:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Thats all folks

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