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[edit] Copperbelt

The prediction may change depending on the by-election. The NDP are currently standing at 44% and so could be competative here. The Liberals will also target this riding.

Nov 2005. Liberals win well. A likely hold in the election.

[edit] Klondike

Solid Yukon Party riding. Peter Jenkins is popular here.

Nov 2005. I'm not sure if Jenkins will run again and without the Yukon Party support, I can't sure so I change to TTC

[edit] Kluane

Strongest NDP riding last election. Gary McRobb is popular here.

[edit] Lake Laberge

Not particularly a NDP riding and Brad Cathers took the riding handily last time.

[edit] McIntyre-Takhini

Central Whitehoarse, previously the NDP hold of Piers McDonald. NDP support in the city should lead to an NDP win.

[edit] Mayo-Tatchun

NDP for over ten years. The Yukon Party is unlikely to gain seats in this election.

[edit] Mount Lorne

A likely NDP hold.

[edit] Pelly-Nisutlin

Yukon Party is still popular in rural ridings, however the NDP could take this riding.

[edit] Porter Creek Centre

Unlikly to go for the Liberals, and the NDP have never won here. The Yukon Pary should hold this.

[edit] Porter Creek North

Similar to PC centre, a likely YP hold.

[edit] Porter Creek South

Should Pam Duncan run for re-election, she will win.

[edit] Riverdale North

Never going NDP, the Yukon Party should hold the riding.

[edit] Riverdale South

Should someone like Sue Edelman run, she could win for the Liberals. It could also go for the Yukon Party.

[edit] Southern Lakes

Will likely be a win for the NDP with the 13% lead at the polls and the closeness of the last election.

[edit] Vuntut Gwitchin

The NDP have held this for 10 years, even last election with the NDPs' second lowest vote % ever. An NDP hold

[edit] Watson Lake

Fentie is popular here, a likely hold for the Leader.

[edit] Whitehorse Centre

The NDP won this in a close race last time, and there probably won't be an Independent to split the vote. The NDP have a lead in the polls in Whitehoarse and so it should be an NDP hold.

[edit] Whitehorse West

It could be close, however the NDP lead in the city should allow the New Democrats to win.

[edit] Image source

Discussion moved to Image talk:Austr.JPG#Copright.

[edit] Misc

MS, thanks for your comments. I've responded on my taklk page. Kevintoronto 21:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Election maps

Yes, I have noticed your maps. I did notice they were more difficult to read. (partly my fault as the key you borrowed off of me had the NDP colours to dark) I have since lightened the NDP colours in the key. Anyways, I would be happy to change them when I get some time. I have the Quebec map on the go at the moment. Here's a tip if you want to create more maps: save them as PNG instead of JPEG. Thanks! - Earl Andrew 01:59, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ahh, I didn't notice the colour change. Unfortunately they are too grainy for me to use. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:00, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Manitoba map is complete. I created a new colour for 70+ because there were none uner 40%. Working on Manitoba 1999 since its the same boundaries. - -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:08, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on it, as I do not believe there are maps on the internet. However, I may be able to find such maps at the library (I was making Ottawa election maps (showing wards) today) if you really want me to make them. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:50, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If I am going to go through the trouble of getting the maps, I might as well do them myself. :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:49, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey there again. Just letting you know, I just made a map for the 1990 Ontario election. 1995 & 1987 coming soon. -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:24, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The orange is trully spectacular! It's too bad Bob Rae turned out to be Ontario's version of Jimmy Carter. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey M123. I don't think I'm being hypocritical at all. The original discussions were that with some of the colour choices, the text is not readable, especially when you consider that other parties have different colours. The grey is a compromise. The grey as chosen leads to legible text, hence it is used. The various political parties use different colours which makes it very hard to read the text that comes with it. Take a look at our previous discussion and see what you think. --Deathphoenix 23:17, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey M123, I appreciate your work on this. Your example for white text works out fine for the Liberal colour, but I'm not sure if such a system is workable because of the variations of colour for the different political parties. What if one had a light tan colour, or maybe yellow? The text wouldn't work out too well in those cases. We went with templates so we could easily change colours and the whole thing will work out fine with minimal tweaking. Moving the colours away from the text was supposed to fix all that without having the compromise on the colour (since we initially discussed using lighter pastel colours instead of the current colour scheme). --Deathphoenix 00:53, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your update to the maps. I did nto know you did them outside of the Yukon. I'm curious as to if you'd be willing to work with me and Earl Andrew to try and get as many maps as we can get for as many elections as we can. I'd be willing to do what I can to draw borders if you and earl can do the colouring and shading. If your interested, I'll leave a similar message on his talk page Pellaken 15:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Party images

Yes, and your point? I don't see the problem really. I could do them, but the colouring may be a little off. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:32, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parliament seats images

Hi. I notice you've uploaded a large number of images relating to the Canadian parliaments after previous Canadian efforts. While this is appreciated, you appear to be unaware of Wikipedia's image copyright tagging policy. On behalf of the Wikipedia community, I'd urge you to give this policy a quick review and tag your images appropriately. Thanks! -- Grunt   ҈  03:47, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)

[edit] Ontario compass

Well, I figured they were more moderate, because Hampton is a former Rae cabinet minister, also they have more seats than the federal NDP- which indicates moderation. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

OK, good point. I shall move it.

Fixed -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] poll chart

Updated. All I can say is, wow. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:49, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yukon elections

The only place on the web that would have info is Elections Yukon, but they only have the 2002 results. I do have the results for the 1996 election on a spreadsheet (I was a candidate), but I cannot vouch for their accuracy. It was pretty cool as in Old Crow, Yukon there was a tie that was broken by lot. If you want, I could send it to you. Drop me an email if you want it. You can find the address on my web page which is linked on my wikipedia user page. I could try getting paper copies of the previous election reports from election Yukon & mail them to you, but it might be faster for you to contact them directly.Luigizanasi 21:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

On your question about Jack Cable being the leader. During the 1996 election, Ken Taylor (who ran in Mount Lorne) was the leader. After he was defeated, Jack became the leader until Pat Duncan took over, if I remeber correctly. I hope you got my email. Luigizanasi 07:52, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanx for adding our Riding Projection this week. It generated activity at our website. We will be adding data to the graph later this week.--FreddyH> 07:58, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

You might be interested in yesterday's release of a poll by DataPath: NDP 43%, YP 30% & Lib 21%. NDP strength in Whitehorse was NDP 44%, YP 27% and Lib 23%. Also, Hoakie Arntsen resigned. Fun times.Luigizanasi 00:26, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

You asked me how may years I spent in school. Well, I started grade 1 in 1962 (no kindergarden) and finsished my Master's at McGill in 1981. So that adds up to 19 years. As I was born and grew up in Montreal: seven years elementary school, four years high school, two years CEGEP, three years to get my BA, a qualifyinhg year after that before entering grad school, and three or four years to finish my masters.Luigizanasi 06:16, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

We've done a massive poll - 459 yukoners: YP 35%, NDP 34%, L 29% & INDEP'T 1% --FreddyH> 07:14, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm kinda short of time, preparing release of part IV of our yukon poll; if u email me fred@trendlines.ca i have some new data that u can post. --FreddyH> 06:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver municipal election

<form letter> I've posted something that may be of interest to you at Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/discussion#Vancouver municipal election. Hope you can comment there. </form letter> -The Tom 22:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Election images status?

I've notice some images that have been uploaded by you that have no copyright status, which I believe you made yourself. Could you please tag them with the {{GFDL}} or the {{PD-release}} tag, before the evil speedy deletion people come a-knocking and make them disappear? The images in question are the following:

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• Image:Cdn1900.PNG

Thank you. --Bash 22:40, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

MS, the 1900 chart shows 3 Labour and 1 Independent, while the table at Canadian federal election, 1900 reports 1 Independent Labour (colour: gray) and 5 other Independents. Do you know why there is a discrepancy? Thanks. Ground Zero | t 20:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seating plan

MS, I am so sorry to have upset you. I really did not mean to. I admire your work. The only issue for me -- and for some of the others -- is where it should go, not whether it should be included or not. You make worthwhile contributions here. We are only trying to make sure that the articles work the same way that other Wikipedia articles do for consistency and ease of use of the encyclopedia. We are with you, not against you. (Well, I guess some people are against you, but that may have more to do with your behaviour in the pub than here. ;-) ) Regards, Ground Zero | t 21:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I dont have any seating plans for the house of commons, but I am familiar with the parliamentary tradition under which the seats are distributed. I will explain it:

begin on the government benches. begin at the speaker. fill up as many goverment seats as possible. Under a majority, you will reach the end. If this happens, next, you move to the opposition benches. The government again starts at the speaker, and goes down the benches as far as it will stretch. Next is the official opposition, followed by other opposition parties. Independents can be shuffled around to make seating simple, but in general, they go in the last seats. In the event the opposition has so few seats, that the leader of the opposition could not sit across from the prime minister, then the government can hold seats on the opposition benches both nearest to the speaker, and farther from the speaker, such as exists currently in the canadian senate. Though this should not be an issue except possibly in 1984 and 1957.

hope this helps.

Pellaken 21:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

the images above have the government starting away from the speaker on the opposition benches. This is incorrect. Pellaken 21:42, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

all of them

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the government party starts at the speaker when on the opposition benches, not away from the speaker.

- in Ontario, perhaps. but federally this is the tradition. Look at PEI's legislature for example, in PEI it's never been an issue or never been challenged. Federally, however, this is the traditional way that seats are distributed. If possible I will find old images of old question periods on tape going back as far as I can to prove such. Traditionally the government (as the first to choose which seats it wants) picks the seats, on the opposition benches, closest to the speaker. The government could, if it so chose, spread itself our like a checker board, but it's traditionally chosen its seats in this manner. This was started in the 1800's when sitting near to the speaker was a privilidge as there were no micraphones and speakers. Pellaken 03:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I will be honest, I did not really read what you sent me, but at your instance, I skimmed it now. From what I've skimmed, you may in fact be right. I will examine it, word for word :P and come back here. It appears as though in the past this may have been done. This does raise a point, this MPP got his data from somewhere... somewhere WE may want to look into ourselvs. IMHO it would be a benifit to wikipedia for our images to be as correct as possible. It may be in our interests to contact the MPP. as I live in Toronto, I am willing to do so. Pellaken 05:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

From the data I can find in that, it appears as though prior to the 1960's, the norm was to have them sitting away from the speaker, while after that (norabally with the 35th parliament) the norm is to have them sitting closer to the speaker.

From this - http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/process/house/GeneralInformation/SeatingPlan.pdf - it appears as though a total of 160 seats can be easily fit into one side of the house. Logically, if you change the two desk rows to three desk rows (not unheard of in canada) you could presumadably fit more. It appears, from the information I can find, that in the past, when the government won more then 50% of the seats, that it simpally added more desks on the government side, and had less on the opposition side. Something like the "empty back row" in the Ontario legislature. Pellaken 18:42, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Party logos

I know User:Pellaken had found some old logos, and made a chart from it, but I have been unable to find it. I already asked him for it again a few months ago, and I think it might be tedious to ask him again. Anyways, thanks for the link, although I am not sure how to change it from that, or if it is even accurate (link is from 1988, as opposed to the convention in 1968). -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I found them actually, here: http://img108.exs.cx/img108/2862/logos.gif Although they do not coincide with the link you gave me :( -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

my 1993 PC logo is incorrect. as is my 1988 liberal logo. Other then that, as far as I know, all are correct. Unfortunatly I no longer have copies of the proper logos. Pellaken 21:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

• The 1979 and 1980 PC logos are incorrect. That was the party logo, not the party's campaign logo. The campaign logo was a thin red band on top of a thinner white band on top of a thick blue band. At the right end of the series of bands, the red band was extended up at a 30 degree angle (or so) to form an broad arrow with three points. In the centre of the arrow was a white maple leaf in the form of the one on the Canadian flag. Also, the 1984 Liberal logo was the one shown in the link above as the 1988 logo, but with the word "Turner" running up the left side, at least early in the campaign when they thought he would be an asset, rather than a liability. The 1988 logo I think was the "exploding maple leaf" one, i.e., a maple leaf without a stem at the centre, and beams extending out in line with the three principlal parts of the leaf. Ground Zero | t 15:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map colours

Hi, I noticed you changed the colours a bit on my maps. Unfortunately, I think you made the NDP 60+ look a bit closer to the Liberals 50-60, which makes it harder to read. Do you think we can work on fixing that? -- Earl Andrew - talk 10:43, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

hmm, must be the way it was saved. Oh well. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic of Commons from elections pages

Hi. Been working in the Wiki Electoral Project and looking for a way to visually tot up the composition of the BC legislature following various elections; been looking at doing it with a table in some way, but wondering as an alternative if you had any specific graphic parameters for the Commons-seats PNG you created? Best if I were to do a graphic to follow existing visual styles, if I do it that way at all; still fidgeting over figuring wikitables out and think it can be done, but....Skookum1 07:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Manitoba Political Map

Are you going to update the Manitoba political seat chart now that the bye-election is complete? Great work. jdobbin 01:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Jenkins

You seem to be the only one who know's about yukon politics. I'm wondering why Jenkins quit the party that, at one time, he was the only MLA for? Pellaken 14:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Saskatchewan map

I need data, and a map of the ridings. (unless they didn't change). -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Parliament images

Hi. In the discussion to make List of Canadian federal parliaments a featured article, a minor debate is brewing about your images of the parliaments seats, and I thought you might want to weigh in on the discussion. --Arctic Gnome 04:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Austr.JPG listed for deletion

[edit] Commons seating plans information

I was just wondering if the Commons seating plans are based on actual seating arrangements or hypothetical, because the current seating plan has two Tories and an NDPer on the opposition benches. Now given the choice between a not-so-accurate schematic diagram and an accurate picture, I'd actually perfer some slight artistic license because it more clearly illustrates the party standings, and the diagrams don't indicate actual members so it's unlikely that anyone's going to use them to look up the actual seat arrangements.

Nonetheless, I am curious about your methods, especially for the diagrams that stretch further back in time.

And maybe you can explain why those poor Tory and Dipper saps ended up on the wrong side of the room.  ;)

Just for fun, here's what the actual seating arrangement would look like:

Kelvinc 09:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The seating plans that are displayed on wikipedia are supposed to be representative of how the House of Commons appeared at the time of the election. We do generally change it, and I cannot think of a reason currently as to why we would change it. Furthermore, your colour choices for the seating plan on your "revised" version is completely wrong in regards to the parties' actual official colours and those that are on all the other parliamentary images. I now request that you revert your modification to this image to the way that it was before you tampered with it. Thank you.

Grizzwald 17:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Party logos

I see that some of your party logos have been deleted from election articles on the basis that Wikipedia's approach to copyright does not permit "decorative uses". I have added the logos to the party articles where I think we can justify their use better. I would hate to see these images lost. Thanks again for creating the. See Liberal Party of Canada, New Democratic Party, Bloc Quebecois, Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and Social Credit Party of Canada. Regards, Ground Zero | t 04:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)