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Contents 1 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu (3rd nomination) 2 WP:BLP 3 Sean Murray 4 Federal Commonwealth... 5 RfC 6 Kittybrewster 7 Removal of Spam Link 8 PA by User:Johnpedia 9 I asked the question about reverting removal of vandalism warnings at the Administrator's notice board 10 Requests for comment/Astrotrain

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu (3rd nomination)

I admit to knowing only the name Mykungfu and not the history. However, before speedy-closing the above referenced AfD, don't you think that the sock puppet suspicion needs something beyond the connection with an interest in the Alpha Kappa Nu article? By your action, you have effectively tried and convicted FrozenApe as a sockpuppet without the benfit of process. I'd certainly feel better about this if you had at least requested a checkuser to confirm the allegation of sockpuppetry. As I said, my familiarity with the extensive sockpupperty of Mykungfu is limited—I can only base my comments here on the good-faith exchange with FrozenApe, whose behaviour did not strike me as that of a banned user.

On the separate issue of the Alpha Kappa Nu article, I see no reason this article shouldn't exist here. Whether it was created by a sockpuppet of a banned user, the article had been edited in good faith by several other users. It appears to be both encyclopedic and adequately sourced. I don't mean this to be seen as in any manner disregarding your action in closing the debate, but after a brief period I intend to recreate the article myself. That should remove the stigma of sockpuppetry and allow an honest discussion on the merits of the article to proceed unencumbered by any past disputes. —Doug Bell ^talk 01:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Doug, if you intend to re-create this article, you may want to do research up on it. The page was used as an attack page on Alpha Phi Alpha. . . or so I have read. Real96 02:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I find the attack page claims to be thin. Even if that was the original motivation behind the creation of the article, that doesn't mean there isn't a basis for including the article. In fact, that's my entire issue with this at this point. I think that FrozenApe probably is a sockpuppet as Mr. Darcy has claimed. I just don't see where that fact should continue to taint the separate question of whether an article on Alpha Kappa Nu should be included. —Doug Bell ^talk 04:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Articles started/primarily edited by banned users are subject to deletion under WP:CSD#A5. This article clearly qualifies. I agree that the subject is probably deserving of an article. And I agree with Real96 that this article has been used as an attack/POV fork, which IMO further justifies deleting it to try to get a fresh start without interference from Mykungfu. Doug, if you re-create it, especially if you can do so organically without using too much of MKF's work, I won't speedily delete it. This is about a bad user, not a bad topic. Thanks. | Mr. Darcy talk 04:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no interest in the topic. However, at this point I feel compelled to see it through, in part because regardless of the history with Mykungfu, there seemed to be a concerted effort at keeping legitimate information out of the encyclopedia. (This comment is not directed at anyone in particular, but rather on the overall effect of the various AfDs.) I appreciate your promise not to speedy delete any good faith effort using the previous AfDs as a justification. (BTW, you might be interested that a short while ago Mykungfu left a so-long-for-now message on my talk page.) —Doug Bell ^talk 06:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BLP

I have looked at BLP and am aware these sections were sourced. I did ask for a better source to be provided before re-stating- tabloid newspapers are not always reliable eg the policy says Not all widely read newspapers and magazines are equally reliable. There are some magazines and newspapers that print gossip much of which is false. While such information may be titillating, that does not mean it has a place here. Before repeating such gossip, ask yourself if the information is presented as being true, if the source is reliable, and if the information, even if true, is relevant to an encyclopedic article on that subject. However I did report each instance on the talk page to invite comment and have not edit warred when users have insisted on re-adding. It is sometimes better to err on the side of caution, particuarly when accusations of criminal activity are involved.

On another matter- I appear to be under attack by One Night in Hackney and Vintagekits. They are openly talking about how they can gang up together, see here. ONH has been very uncivil to me recently when I have engaged him. Vintagekits also deleted a comment of mine on the Northern Ireland page today [1]; and accussed me of disruption when I made a simple tidying edit after an article move [2]. Astrotrain 23:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

1. No one is ganging up on up. 2. I removed your comment because if you read that section its states "no comments/further discussion" just vote - however, you went ahead and kept disussing, 3. you are disrupting and removed Slab Murphy's name in Irish for no reason at why, why did you do it?--Vintagekits 23:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I almost missed this forum shopping. If we're going for RfC, then there needs to be more than one editor anyway, it's hardly "ganging up". Please provide diffs for your other allegations. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 23:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, let's have a cease-fire, guys. I took an hour or two to think this one over. ONIH/Vintagekits, whatever you guys are planning - and I hope it's an RfC and not something underhanded - please get it out in the open as soon as possible, and please make sure you focus on questions of policy or guideline, not on matters of personality or on your content disputes with Astrotrain. Astro, if they're setting up an RfC, then your best move is to wait to see the RfC and respond to them there, sticking again to questions of policy and guideline and avoiding the other conflicts that have characterized so much of the interactions among you all. If there is an RfC on Astrotrain, please notify me, as I think that you could use a hand in keeping it on point and avoiding a degeneration into a spat.

Astro, responding to your original note about my BLP comments: You were using the BLP policy to justify edits that, given your history, look to me like POV edits. You also didn't claim that the sources were unreliable, but only switched to that claim once it was pointed out that BLP doesn't require that sources be available online. If you must continue with this line of editing, then I suggest that you post on article talk pages asking about the sources BEFORE removing any text from the articles. It will greatly reduce the tension around here and will be more in line with our policies.

Regarding the specific edits Astro mentioned: Vintagekits, you shouldn't have removed Astrotrain's comments, as we strongly discourage polls in favor of discussion, and Astro was justified in making his comments; and Astro, you shouldn't be removing Irish-language names or anything along those lines, especially given the fact that you have come out strongly against Irish nationalist viewpoints (as well as the dominant religion of Ireland) - disruptive probably isn't the right word, but it was definitely inflammatory. | Mr. Darcy talk 01:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I've actually been trying to help them in the IRA etc articles. Astrotrain 07:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see User:One Night In Hackney/Problems2- this is an attack page and should be deleted. Astrotrain 07:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't delete the information I was asked to produce by more than one administrator. I'd really like to kno how it could possibly be described as an attack page as well. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 10:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

That's not an attack page, but let me reiterate my desire to see this brought out into the open via an RfC. | Mr. Darcy talk 14:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

That's my plan, as has been clearly stated. I'm using that page for the purposes of gathering all my evidence together, and will be filing the RfC in the next day or so. It should also be pointed out that he brought this up on ANI after my reply here, and although two administrators have said it's ok for now he's still lobbying to get it deleted. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 15:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you stop this harassment please? [3] His actions are totally disruptive. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 15:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sean Murray

I've made comments regarding the reliability of the reference on the talk page, your opinion would be welcome. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 16:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Federal Commonwealth...

Why did you undo by striking of the text? That user was making unsubstantiated claims about another user, surely I was acting correctly?--Couter-revolutionary 00:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I apologize, should have said something on your talk page but I had to step away from that computer. The best course of action is to respond below it, pointing out that it's unsubstantiated. Striking out another user's comment is nearly always bad form. I understand what you were trying to do but I think that it's better to respond in kind rather than striking it (which definitely feeds the flames). Again, sorry for the confusion. | Mr. Darcy talk 02:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Astrotrain. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kittybrewster

As I have requested not to breaches of policy on certain editors pages I have come to highlight it here. I believe Kittybrewster has once again breached WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA here. regards.--Vintagekits 23:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Spam Link

I had to remove a link before archiving in order to assess Blind Guardian, because the spam filter caught a link, which isn't spam (a myspace page). Please tell me how I can archive properly to the version without having the spam filter being turned on. Real96 03:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Looks like you need to archive yourself. :-) Real96 03:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :) You're right, I was overdue. Anyway, back to your question - I don't fully understand. What are you trying to do to that article? The myspace link is there now, and I'm not sure what you mean by "archiving" the page. Thanks. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to assess it for the WP:BIOGRAPHY assessment drive. I try to put the correct archive on the archive page, but the spam block won't let me, because the link is blog.myspace.com Real96 22:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PA by User:Johnpedia

Hi. You helped me out before with Johnpedia.[4] This is really weird but apparently User:Anynobody is WP:CANVASSING anyone he can find that has had a dispute with me and inviting them to pile-on with him over my objection to Anynobody's making my religion an issue in my edits.[5] Personally, I think that Anynobody's actions are extremely inappropriate but this response from Johnpedia is just over the top as far as a PA. I mean, even bringing my imagined appearance into it??? I could really use some help here if you care to. Thanks --Justanother 23:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I posted this to WP:AN/I, and three folks who wandered by (all experienced users) all felt that it was uncivil but not a personal attack. Can you show other diffs where Anynobody is trying to rally troops against you? | Mr. Darcy talk 02:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No prob. Thanks. I guess I need to write WP:No Weird Rants (WP:NWR - laff). Actually Anynobody only notified one other user that I am also having some (3RR) trouble with, User:Smeelgova.[6] Smee is also kinda being a butt-in-ski and interjecting himself in conversations I have with other editors so as to further any disagreement we might be having and to fan the fires and stand in the way of our reaching some sort of agreement or compromise with each other.[7][8][9][10] The funny thing is that Bishonen later warned "helper" Smee (and presumably Anynobody) against doing precisely the sort of canvassing he did with Johnpedia.[11]. Note also the next (experienced) editor complaining on his talk page about Anynobody's "psychoanalyzing" him instead of just discussing the issues.[12] In my case, in addition to "analyzing" me and defaming my "motives", he always brought my religion into it. Personally, I got sick and tired of it after taking it for some days and telling him repeatedly to knock it of and finally I let him know in no uncertain terms. So now I am a mean guy and he wants an RfC on me. Thanks for your help on this. --Justanother 03:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I asked the question about reverting removal of vandalism warnings at the Administrator's notice board

JRSpriggs 07:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for comment/Astrotrain

Re your comment about Astrotrain: I found the bit about his posts being "arguably anti-Ireland/pro-England." actually quite offensive, crude and provocative. Would you consider revising or removing these words from your comments please. Weggie 12:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No. I'm not going to revise my opinion for anyone, and I don't see any merit in calling them offensive or crude. | Mr. Darcy talk 19:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)