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Contents 1 About the article Crown of Aragon 2 Turning Spain into a GA 3 Penises 4 Valencia 5 Crown of Aragon 6 I swear it wasn't me 7 Clean up Valencian pilota articles? 8 help at valencia? 9 Record covers 10 Re: Roman Catholicism in Albania 11 OT

[edit] About the article Crown of Aragon

I saw you changed some things (many edits but very few new stuff by the way). But you touched something with what I don't agree: you removed the template of Catalan speaking world. Well, don't do that please. Before I restructurated the article, there were 3 templates: History of Spain, Catalan-speaking countries, and another one about culture of Spain and stuff so. I removed the third, but the other two are necessary. Thanks. Onofre Bouvila 23:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you should prove why the other two are necessary, don't you think? Please do so in the talk page. If you convince people, then the change will stay, if not, then you are not smarter than anyone to decide what is necessary and what is not. Thanks Mountolive | Talk 23:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry? The template "Catalan-speaking world" is necessary in the Crown of Aragon article because of obvious reasons: the Crown of Aragon was the origin of what today is Catalonia. The Crown of Aragon ages are probably the most important stage in the History of Catalonia, and it represents a 50% of what Spain is today. I mean, you remove the template for "Catalan-speaking world" but you keep the template for "Spanish history"? Following your arguments, why don't you justify why do you keep the "Histry of Spain" template but you remove the "Catalan-speaking world" template? You are illogical.
BTW it's obvious that the Crown of Aragon is an important part both for Spain and Catalonia, and thus both templates have the right and must be there. It's like adding a catergory: if the article is related to the topic of the category, it must be added; the same with the templates. If there was a template for the Historical region of Aragon, it should be there too.
By the way I don't understand why do you respond to this in your own talk page, because you prevent me to see that you have answered (I don't use to go for your talk page, it was just a casuality that I found that you have answered).
Oh, and by the way the only template I removed was the template for "Spain close-up", which already contained a section called "Spanish history", and as there was already the template "Spanish history" in the article, it was pointless to keep both, so I left the most specific one (the one about Spanish History). Onofre Bouvila 01:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Onofre, my boy, first of all take this friendly advice from me: you don't seem one of the smartest wikipedians out there (that honour is reserved to the choosen ones and not for us) but, actually, well, with the due respect, you are not even one of the smartest Catalanist users either. Why I mention this? Well, because when we are not terribly smart, we'd better try at least to be nice, unless you want to receive this kind of replies (too late in our case, apparently).

Now, do you know why I respond to this in my talk page? think a little....maybe because you left a message in this talk page? yes! very good, you noticed! If you leave me a message here, I respond here, I don't go and respond you somewhere else. I thought this was clear enough and it has been for one year until you came and I "confused you" by replying your message in the same place where you left yours...no comment.

[by the way, next time you leave a message in a user's page, you are expected to keep the timely order and don't place it on top of the page like you did here instead of following the previously existing messages]

On the templates...actually I didn't even see the one of history of Spain so, more than an "illogical reasoning" problem it was more than the template is quite smaller than the other one and located in a subordinate postition and, of course, my lack of attention, so take it easy, ok? Ok (of course if you had been nice in the first place I'd offer my apologies now but, since that wasn't the case, you may understand that I just don't care that much to do so).

You'd better work on, as Physchim62 said in the talk page, on a History of the Crown of Aragon template. I'll explain you why: because you removed the other one on the grounds that it had links to "San Fermín" and similarly unrelated stuff to the article. That's fine and, as I said in the talk page, I agree.

However, you seem to fail to realize that "Caganer", "Salvador Dalí", "Antoni Gaudi", "Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua", "Falles", "Sardana", "Tió de Nadal" and many others in the template (I can write you a more exhaustive list here if you need me to) they don't have anything to do to the Crown of Aragón either. Again, yes, the good solution would be to have a "History of Crown of Aragon" template (it would be an interesting one) but not the Catalan speaking template, do you get my point? you do? great.

Be good. Mountolive | Talk 02:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turning Spain into a GA

Mountolive - just so you know, my motive in this is to get Spain into GA status as quickly as practical, so I am moving on past the section you and I were discussing earlier, and on to Roman Hispania. So ... two things:

1) Do you have information/reliable sources to re-write the Roman Hispania section so that it more complete? At this point, it's more of a collection of miscellaneous information (most of which I'm planning to delete and replace with more important information).

2) Have you seen this article? The latest genetic work strongly suggests that there was an "Ice Age pocket" in northern coastal Spain, where humans lived during the Ice Age; as the ice sheets retreated, those people spread out of the pocket (including following the warming climate north and colonizing the British Isles) - the Celts were much later arrivals from the Mediterranean. This evidence is not quite consistent with your view that the Basques were Celts. So, I'm not going to return to this point for the moment, but since I expect that it will come up again, I'm interested in your reaction to this latest genetic evidence. EspanaViva 01:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't help you much with the Roman Hispania. Feel free to improve it.

On the other stuff, this your view that the Basques were Celts is a wrong attribution of words. I never said (because is simply incorrect) that the proto-Basque peoples were Celts. What I said is that they shared mythology, symbols and virtually everything else other than the languages, and so I state my claim that they were Celt-like which is not the same as to say that they were Celts (something they were not).

Since we were striving to reduce the article's length, I can't see the point to detail, within the Celt universe, the proto-Basque stock. Because that would open the door to speculate with other rather enigmatic local populations (I'm thinking Tartessos or the Balearics). So I think this should be a satisfactory explanation.

Now, if you want to hear my opinion on "the latest genetic work", the first thing that comes to mind is some guarding feeling before an article which reads "everything you know about British and Irish ancestry is wrong". While regarding population genetics as a very innovative and useful tool, that doesn't mean that is everything, not at all. I know they have to sell magazines or books and sensational claims help a lot in this regard, but the matter is probably much more complicated than what Mr. Oppenheimer puts it (for not to mention that there are other, say, "Mr. Smith", who disagree with Oppenheimer and also publish in no less thoughtful research magazines as the one provided).

I just read quickly the article and...well, I'll be honest, that was a quick reading until I hit "ice-age refuge in the Basque Country", because there I had to stop.

As we all know, what now is the Basque Country is a quite mountainous area which only allows an extremely narrow coastal strip of flat land. Doesn't matter whatever exceptional climatic conditions applied (neither of which we are given evidence of, by the way) to realize that, nevermind how mild the climatic pocket may have been in the area, the hills would be very cold as it is a bread and butter fact that height = colder, whether in the ice age or in the Sahara. Even now, amidst much more milder conditions, snow is not unfrequent in the Basque hills so go imagine right in the middle of an ice age...because, ok, that might have been a milder area but, hey, right next to there was an ice age going on which are serious words. But it is more shocking and sells more to mention the Basque Country instead of the Landes.

Probably Oppenheimer knows this and the thing is that is apparently proven that the proto-Basque peoples actually come from the Landes region, just to the north of their present location (I think that is even mentioned in the wikipedia article on the matter). That would make more sense in terms of a climatic haven, as the Landes is a flat land (even though the paleoclimatic explanation as to why the Bay of Biscay area -either Landes or Basque country- would have remained a milder area doesn't seem to appear anywhere...but that is another story).

In any case, that would take the proto-Basques out of Iberia and so its relevance in that section we are discussing. This northern origin would be consistent with the fact that some other peoples (possibly Celts themselves as the surrounding peoples in their latter Iberian settlement) forced the proto-Basques to shift southbound to more hostile, but less populated, mountainous areas. But the fact is that they were surrounded by Celts and they become largely assimilated.

Anyway, there you have a few ideas to consider. My point is that everything from pre-history is so speculative that should be considered as much seriously as the Lord of the Rings and the like. And it would be paradoxical that, since we found a source in some magazine, we state as definite what will always remain as the most obscure and out of reach part of the history, the pre-history.

Mountolive | Talk 05:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, amigo, for your quite interesting thoughts. As I mentioned, I'm moving on to the Roman sub-section today (and other sub-sections over the next days). You might be interested that Oppenheimer has published a number of widely-read books on the topic, not just this article (check out Amazon.com). You might also be interested in the discussion at Hispania#Prehistory_and_early_history.

However, as I say, my intent here is upgrade each of the sub-sections on a systematic basis, so I'm moving on to the next sub-sections, but I did want to share with you related information as I find it.

Finally, it really would be useful if you could find and include some reliable sources and footnotes in the Pre-history subsection! EspanaViva 19:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added some sources for pre-history subsection in Talk:Spain. Regards, Maurice27 20:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure if you find my comments interesting. Don't get me wrong: I am not saying that Oppenheimer is a "one hit wonder" or a sensasionalist, but I just think that all things related to pre-history are really impossible to evaluate, despite we are eager to cling to genetic data or any other thing, because is human to strive for certainty. However, we are not even certain of what happened in the Middle Age, so go imagine in the pre-history...I might take a look tonight at the talk page you mention, however, my contribution would most likely only be to stress the need of put any "evidence" under suspicion or doubt due to my former comments.

Mate I'm sorry, but I am just too lazy to look for citations, I'm sorry about that. The only thing I do, after being wikitrained is that, when news come out in the newspaper for example regarding economic statistics in the EU, then I am reminded of this and go to whatever the official page and update, like I did in the Economy of Spain main article with the latest Eurostat data but, other than that, I am just too lazy to browse for citations. This said, I am also a bit sour of some kind of editors (I'm generally speaking now, not your case) which just regard something as a source because it is in some website, like if there weren't millions of untrue and biased websites out there.

But that's another story.

Mountolive | Talk 20:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Pues, entiendo bien . . . ¡gracias! EspanaViva 21:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Penises

No, you shouldn't talk about penises on Talk:Andorra. Wikipedia has a dedicated page, named Talk:Penis, for talking about penises. It also has a page named Wikipedia:No personal attacks which you ought to read. Physchim62 (talk) 13:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It also has a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view... You should maybe take a look there, because Mountolive is probably the most civil and good-willing guy around. BTW, you should take a look at this: [[1]] if we are going to start talking about penises... I just loved it! Maurice27 16:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Physchim, to say that I was talking about penises on Talk:Andorra is a bit exaggerated. I was talking of something else and then I came up with a (bizarre, I admit) example. Did you consider that a personal attack on anyone? Because that is what follows from your reccomendation to read the guideline. If so, well, my apologies but, again, no ofense was meant, as I thought it was clear. Mountolive | Talk 16:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valencia

I think that the best way to solve the problem of Valencia is discussing it and finding common points of view, not giving up, and I think we were now going in the right direction. I had in mind to make a proposal about the name and I was thinking already in some aspects of it, but this days I'm pretty busy and I didn't have enough time to work on it. I hope you reconsider your decision. Regards,--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 07:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

In despite of our different political ideas (or maybe because of them) I ask you to come back and help improving the Valencia (autonomous community) article.

My English is very poor, so I'm not the best guy to talk in this language, and many times I say a different thing of what I intended to. Sometimes (Maurice27 and) you laugh at others' ideas. But I keep you regarding as a reasonable guy acting on a good faith basis.

Your proposal of discuting the proper names one by one was right, if Land of Valencia is a bad translation of País Valencià then it must be replaced by a proper translation when we find it, that's my only statement. Does Valencian Country fits English grammar and Valencian nationalist feelings? Then go for it!

The problem in that article (in my opinion) is that Maurice27 enraged Joanot, their arguments broke the constructive debate and threw others into a vicious circle. He may be a very collaborative wikipedian, but his style is not the best one when discussing certain subjects.

As for me, I have no problem with you at all. So you'll be wellcome. --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 10:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I appreciate your comments, really. But, as Casaforra says, the talk page has entered a vicious circle mood. I agree with Xtv that the best way is discussing, and so I took this "Land of Valencia" matter as a test of the willing to discuss: by all accounts that is a stupid name and I only compiling what the people whom Joanot had left frustrated said (look in the archives, I am not the first to leave the talk page due to his stubborness, there are already a few "fallen in act of service"). I said to myself: "if Joanot keeps sorrut then there is little to do". That's what has happened and, so, there is little to do from my side.

Discussing is fine, but we discuss to compromise common views, if one side is not willing to give in, then discussing just for the sake of discussing is out of my interest and, actually, it may end up frustrating me. Discussing to a deaf or blind audience doesn't have much sense and, when all the evidence brought is about to make you change your mind, then you can always say "but I have a source" or "but wikipedia is not a democracy", so, in this scenario, is better to quit discussion for me. I have better things to do than try to convince some boy that English people find stupid "Land of Valencia", specially if...well, he does not want to be convinced.

Anyway, my basic proposal is there after all. You both are reasonable guys so you all guys can manage well with whatever discussion takes place there. Besides, if Jmabel joins the debate, you'd better listen to what he says: he is a very experienced and fair wikipedian (and with a slight Catalanist touch which you would appreciate, because quant més sucre, més dolç ;)

Again thanks for your support. I appreciate it. Mountolive | Talk 18:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

p.s. by the way, since my decission is firm, I'd rather not keep this debate open in this talk page either. So please anyone coming from that talk page, please refrain to reopen the debate here. Gràcies!

[edit] Crown of Aragon

I just reverted some edits (not all) of 81.208.83.219 because he did an obvious vandalism in the talk page of the Portal:Catalan-speaking Countries which has already been deleted (so then I can not show you his acts, but you can ask to an admin to confirm it) and then I assumed he was a vandal and he didn't come to contribute but only to destroy. And no, I think not every exabrupte can be written in a talk page even if it is related to the article (and you know we have some examples about it ;-) ). I think a blaver has the right to give his oppinion and give his sources, references and everything, of course, but not to say only bullshit which doesen't contribute at all in the article. Anyway, if you still think my action was not correct, I'll be pleased to put again such an interesting and constructive contribution ;-). Best regards,--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 08:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I was not aware of what he did in the "Catalan Countries" portal. I guess that was outright vandalism and, indeed, to be removed right away. This said, well, generally speaking I would never remove comments from a talk page which are related to the article, doesn't matter how crazy they may sound to us.

This said, like some mutual friend told you once "ego te absolvo" :P (really, you should consider what Maurice says, he usually has a point, but just don't take it in the literality ;). In other words: no need to restaure that ;) Mountolive | Talk 18:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I swear it wasn't me

Following my comments above, I had unchecked the infamous "Land of Valencia" from my talk list, however tonight I was going to copy some info from the geography section to some other article so I went there and....wow, saw that edit about the names and I had to laugh!

Still, I swear: that anon is not me but...on the other side, I admit that I found it too funny to be reverted so I am not completely innocent or guilty by association I guess...if only because none of them are sourced names!!! LOL But even better than the edit itself is that Mr. Onofre made a punctuation edit right after without noticing it! LOL I really think from the first of his edits that he is a promising addition to the Catalanist flock and he will bring new joys to us all... Sic transit gloria mundi for "the Land of Valencia" Mountolive | Talk 02:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

"Land of the Valencians, Land of Fallas, Pujolland!, Land that Time Forget, Landudno!, Land me a Tenner Mate!!, The moon Landings, The Normandy Landings, The Ill-fated Mallorca Landings!!!, The Balliwick of Valencia, The Electorate of Valencia, Obrint Pas!!, Valencia Orange County!!, The land with No Name, or Hotel Catalonia by the eagles!!!" some of these are just vandalizing as one of the fine arts! God, I wish I knew who made this...I have suspicions and, not, is not that one you are thinking of ;) but, unfortunately, I will never know...

No, no ho he vist a la teua pàgina, senzillament tenc la pàgina a la meua Watchlist i quan ho he vist sí, m'he descollonat un poc XD. Sí, hui m'he alçat d'hora. Tu què, ara te'n vas a dormir? Nanit doncs!--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 07:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sí senyor, dins d'un ratet me clave en el sobre. Bona nit i...aixina m'agrada: gent matinera també en diumenge ;) Mountolive | Talk 07:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC) Ah...i que no s'enteren per ahí pels puestos de que dius "hui", que això són paraules rares dels valencians :P :D

Actually, since that page has left such a bad taste in my foul mouth, I think is fair for me, and will help me to lick my wounds, if keep here and don't let fade away the most brilliant moment in the polemics which drove me out, courtesy of the genious vandalizer...Respect! [2]

ps. I have to find a source for "The ill fated Mallorca landings" I am sure that, like the truth, is out there....

Hi Mountolive: I've left what I think is my final word on the Valencia page, a challenge to find sources for THOSE names. I hope they read it rather than reverting to the same bloody sources, but I doubt it. Anyway, I'm off to listen to Johnny Cash and Obrint Pas :-) boynamedsue

That's a rather weird musical mix, ain't? ;) Hey, if you ever found a source for "The ill Fated Mallorca Landings"; please let me know, ok? ;)

Myself I am now pursuing sources for "Land of the Three Lands Which Make the Valencian Country" and "Land of the Ever Shining Sun (and an Occasional Flooding From Time To Time)"...I'll keep you posted if there are news in this regard :D Mountolive | Talk 18:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up Valencian pilota articles?

Hi!

Maybe it looks strange for you, but I'd like you help me improve the Valencian pilota articles.

I'm afraid my English is not good enough, as I've been pointed in the Pelayo trinquet article. There are also a couple of articles in the ca:wp I'd like to translate but I don't dare (ca:Història de la pilota valenciana or ca:Colps de la pilota valenciana). In case you don't want or you can't, I'd be very grateful if you only could read twice the Valencian pilota articles in order to proofread them.

Since you are quite fluent in English, you are Valencian too, and our debate regarding Valencia (autonomous community) didn't involve personal attacks I want to believe we may collaborate. Thx anyway, --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 08:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Casaforra. I started reviewing the article you mention but I just hit in the first sentence "Catalan" and "Land of Valencia". I don't think "Catalan" is the best way to call the language in the Pilota Valenciana article (as you said some other day regarding Álvaro: who are we to call it a different way than the one their very users do?). I could edit those anyway but, since it was you who called my attention about this article and you may feel comfortable with those words, I guess it is not fair that I take your invitation only go there to "tocar-te els collons" ;)

If you agree that we edit these two to "Valencian" and "Valencian Community", I'd happily review it, if not, I'd rather stay away. I want to be honest with you so please be advised beforehand that my contribution in reviewing may be very limited, because I am not an English native speaker either. This means that the edit I am proposing may not compensate whatever reviewing I could do. Let me know. Mountolive | Talk 18:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Last time I checked the Valencian article it stated clearly that this is a part of the Catalan language. And the Valencia (autonomous community) is the same place, whatever the political views we have about it. So those changes you propose are not a problem for me.

I'm Valencian, I'm not a Catalan countries supporter, but I use the name Catalan as a whole when referring to the language because it's a scientifically truth. I guess US citizens don't feel bad because they speak English (not US-ian or whatever). I'm not better or worse because I say vesprà instead of vespre, and Andalusians are not better or worse because they xicoh instead of chicos.

In my opinion the Spain portal and the Catalan speaking portal shouldn't be removed in my opinion. Both of them are true.

Feel free to edit the Valencian pilota articles, please. Not just in the translations but also in the style or in the content, but take into account that they are based on prior versions of the Catalan articles.

Thx for being honest and constructive. --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 20:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the Valencian article clearly states that is a branch of Catalan, as it actually is. I really salute your flexibility in this matter, it proves that you are not a Valencian who is slightly ashamed of being Valencian and think that Valencians are something like, I don't know ¿almost Catalans? (like if being Catalan was "the first division of catalanity" and we Valencians were in second...) you may have noticed that some Catalanists in our País Valencià seem to think like that, at least unconsciously, right? (don't worry: I will not mention names ;)

I will pass by the article tonight my time and edit these little (important) things and anything else I may think I can improve but, hey, remember: edits are often a matter of taste and my taste may be different to yours; and your taste, as the article "master", definitely has some privileges over mine ;)

In other words: thank you for your invitation and, whatever edit I do that you don't feel comfortable with, just feel free to revert it.

Have a good day. Mountolive | Talk 20:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW "País Valencià" doesn't translate into English as "Valencian Country", that is why I use it in the original...but this is, definitely, another story... ;)

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Nice improvements in the Valencian pilota and Circuit Bancaixa articles regarding grammar and small details or explanations. Thx a lot!

If you could watch the rest of articles and proofread them I'd be very grateful. Specially the Pelayo trinquet, whose tag really hurts me. That's why I didn't translate ca:Història de la pilota valenciana or ca:Colps de la pilota valenciana.

Anyway, regarding your comment about being more or less Valencian... Well, we two are Valencian and we two are not afraid to say we speak Catalan in our particular way, not better or worse than any other dialect of that language. But the fact we speak Catalan doesn't mean we are forced to be (or feel) Catalans, that's a personal ideological matter.

Let me set up an example: Spanish was born in Northern Castile, that's where the name "Castellano" for the language comes from. Later that language expanded and got to be spoken in other regions or continents. What about "extremeños"? Are they castellanos because they speak the language born in Castile?

See the point? I'm not ashamed of being Valencian and speaking Catalan. In a Valencian pilota forum a guy complained about a t-shirt with pics of people playing pilota because it had the motto "Som i serem", he accused the t-shirt seller of being a Catalanist and so on... Well, I thought... If "Som i serem" is Catalan? How would he say it in Valencian? "Somos y seremos"? Isn't it sad?

Anyway, I'd prefer to let politics apart. Let's keep improving my poor articles about our sport, please. --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 09:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It's good that you find the small amendments overall positive. I'll try to look at Pelayo trinquet but the problem with these articles is that they are specially challenging to us Valencians (should I even dare to say Spaniards? that's probably too much for ya :P) because the English translations become particularly hard in terms of sports vocabulary. In my case it's even worse because I am not even sure of the Valencian original here! But we can always try a little.

Now, I left a small question in Pilota Valenciana talk page regarding individuals/teams. Would you please answer there? When you do we can edit that piece as well. Mountolive | Talk 20:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I just wanted to explicitly thank you your collaboration in some of the pilota articles. Feel free to proofread or suggest improvements to the minor related articles or even translate the original articles I don't dare. But, anyhow, THX  :) --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 08:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, my pleasure if you found my contributions interesting. It's a topic which I find interesting but on which I know nothing at all...well, now I know just a bit, so actually thank YOU. Mountolive | Talk 23:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help at valencia?

sorry to bother you but any help would be appreciated. LOV and VC i'm afraid, i know you've left that page but any support you could give might help stop the debasement of the English Language, and the subjugation of the language of Shakespeare to the tyrrany of Estatuts, Autonomies, Political, linguistic and sociological "Experts", and, worst of all, Academias Reales. Greatness Calls. Salut, i força canut. boynamedsue

oh, mate, believe me I took great pain in my balls from that disgraced article! Well, the article doesn't have anything to do with my aching, just some particular user who wants to, well....use it to, I guess, Obrir Pas ;) for his bizarre political project. I said there that I was quitting and I have a reputation to protect...haven't I? probably not anyway ;)

in any case, I'd rather do like that Tom Petty song (one of the few from him I like) and "don't come around (t)here no more". I did already quite some effort there and basically said all I wanted to (on top of the section there is my basic view) and I learnt there -the hard way- that common sense can't beat a google source, at least not in wikipedia. Now the only thing I can do is hope that you can use the ground settled to launch a final attack on the "ill fated Mallorca landings"

I could refer you to a guy full of energies called Maurice27, he's a real Panzer Division himself, but, watch out, he is at times over the top and may provoke a nuke explosion there that could kill everyone, including himself and yourself and...as you know, eventually, the only thing surviving a nuke are roaches so...you may want to be careful there. I am not the first fallen in act of service there and Maurice is a sniper which may get out of control ;)

I believe Psyschim, as a native speaker, was also prone to the "coalition of the willing" :D. Mostly everyone is ready to remove Land of the Aigua de València except the El Álamo guy who will resist by his source. Just use your byzantine diplomatic skills and, if you succeed, everything should be quite easy to remove LOV(e).

Still, all he wants is a "nationalist" way to call it, so after that, he will be pushing for Valencian Country, which is "The Land of the Names II: the Return of the Beast" but...anyway, his point is so obvious that it doesn't excite me anymore... Mountolive | Talk 01:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Given my interest for aviation rather than armoured vehicles, I would like to be described as a Sturzkampfgeschwader or Schlachtgeschwader rather than a Panzer Division... We, pilots, prefer to smell good champagne instead than gasoil... ;) Maurice27 02:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You got it.

Personally, I would like to take the role of Dr. Strangelove if you may. Hence, you must be, then, Major Kong, the crazy Texan pilot ;) Mountolive | Talk 02:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Where's my cowboy hat???? hehehehehe. I will nuke them all!!! I may also be the crazier General Jack D. Ripper... "water fluoridation is a Communist conpiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids"... Which ever one you consider more insane... Maurice27 05:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

do you see what I mean now, Boynamedsue? :D Mountolive | Talk 05:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Come on Mountolive, you know the Hotel Catalonia: You can check out any time u want, but you can never leave

ouch! you are probably right but, in any case, I just checked out... and Iactually left a sour taste in the hotel's management due to my rogue behaviour, so neither of us is ready, at least yet...I will be happy to help if there was changes in the management ;) Mountolive | Talk 18:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

hiya Mountie, BNS here. Valencia has been cured! it appears to be under new management and everything. Im off to canaletes to celebrate by singing obrint pas numbers at the top of my voice, whilst wearing a Jordi Pujol mask.

I heard the news of the liberation in Radio Free Europe. Do you think that, after all, it was just a case of the medical team made up by Monsieur Maurice and Dr. Strangelove van Mountolive provoking an acute allergic reaction?...I do hope so but, hey, I wouldn't use my own Jordi Pujol mask so soon...I have a feeling that a dramatic setback is about to happen to the patient: when someone finishes his college exams, the Ill-Fated Majorca Landings may rise its ugly head once again...I'll stay tuned to Radio Free Europe and see what happens but I just can't believe that the old management gave in without a final attempt to raise the senyera such as in Iwo Jima.

Thanks for the note, good ol' BNS Mountolive | Talk 23:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

p.s. oh my gosh, I have just noticed, by your very interesting contributions in the perceived humor article, how well you have understood the Catalan Volksgeist and their inner planks...congratulations: you seem to have a stark eye, I would have never realized by myself...Mountolive | Talk 23:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

you would have to be sick (no pun intended here either) for assuming a posteriori pun...damn, the whole thing is genious!

I was having bad day..... (looks sheepish) you'll probably think im some rampant, anti-catalan, zaplanaesque humunculus, but in actual fact you will find a purple stripe and no chicken on my flag. Its so difficult to get over the point to certain folk that names in English do not convey the same information as they do in Span/Cat/Bal/val/Alguer/Cubasegunjordibilbeny. I find it difficult talking to nationalists at the best of times... A lady did thank me for speaking Catalan on t'FGC today though, so Im feeling a bit better disposed to Cas and his friends. Well, while the cat's away, the mice will find slightly more accurate and correct English on Wikipedia. BNS

some days are better than others...some days are better than others indeed. No, you didn't sound like a zaplanesque caganer to me, still, please, if you want to earn an account in conservapedia, then you'd better show some respect for el águila de San Juan, boy! ;)

It is not my case either, actually, I guess I am a suboptimal by-product of what used to be a boy of pure Catalanist stock....I guess that is why I know them so well and, well, believe it or not (I know you don't) I try to bring them down to earth also as a way to improve their reputation abroad ;)

In other words, despite all of the rumours keeping me grounded, no, I repeat, no, I do not follow the inextricable blaverist tenet "no mos fareu cacalans" [sic(k)]. Still, I just do not believe in St. Fuster anymore...is that a crime?

What should be done now is a bot replacing all the LOV virus from the wikipedia's immunological system (it is everywhere, man, defacing it). Do you know anyone to ask for? If not, I saw EspanaViva asking for that regarding some other topic and someone created the bot for him. Let me know your moody casteller opinion as you whistle some Whiskyns tune. Mountolive | Talk 00:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hehehe, someone must be sneaking into this page and there you go: Land of the pills, thrills and bellyaches is back!! playful, joyful, kinky and pervy as ever!! (I know the matter is dead serious but if we don't give in to the (perceived) humorous side, then we are dead all the same (for real humour, see humour)

[edit] Record covers

Mountolive, your confusion stems from the fact that you were trying to upload the record cover images to Commons. Commons does not allow fair-use rationale images. Instead, all you need to do is upload the images to the English Wikipedia, through Special:Upload, making sure to select the "Album or single cover" licencing tag. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 08:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you don't need my help, I couldn't have explained better. ;-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casaforra (talk • contribs) 09:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks! so now that I have uploaded them....a-hem.....how do I download them to the article?!?!

Let's imagine you have uploaded this cover: Image:Bohemian Rhapsody.png or for instance (Image:Veneno en la piel.png)... To get this image in an article, you have to add, in the section you wish the following:

[[XImage:Bohemian Rhapsody.pngX|thumb|125px|left|A Queen cover from the 70's]] (X not to be included)

This, will be the result:

Regards, --Maurice27 00:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Maurice! It worked: check it out, I'm proud :D Radio Futura.

Now...I would like to make Radio Futura 1984 pic a bit larger...is that possible?

Actually, I would like to enlarge all the pics there just a little, how could I do that?

I already changed "la ley del desierto" to show you. You just have to change the 125px for ¿175px? for example... Al bajar por la rambla me encontré, con la negra flor... Maurice27 08:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thaaaaaaaanks! Actually, I think, in my case, with templates etc, it applies better "El Tonto Simón" than "La Negra Flor" ;) Mountolive | Talk 16:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Roman Catholicism in Albania

I would be happy to translate the article. The only problem is I'll be pretty busy the rest of this week and then I'll be on vacation for two weeks. So I might take about a month to get it done. If you don't want to wait this long I'd recommend you'd list the article on the appropriate page of Wikipedia:Translation. Happy editing, --Carabinieri 17:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your feedback. I have already used the page you showed me (I didn't know it, it is very interesting, btw). If it hasn't been translated in a few weeks, I may come back to you and see if you can do something: I am not in any kind of hurry. Thanks again! Mountolive | Talk 18:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not the easiest thing to figure out; it took me a while, too, as I expected it to be automated (which it isn't for some reason). So, on the page Wikipedia:Translation/Roman Catholicism in Albania, there is the text {{Wikipedia:Translation/Roman Catholicism in Albania}}. This you need to copy&paste into Wikipedia:Translation/*/Translation Requests/March 2007 (or whatever month it is). I often also copy&paste it into the page for that language in particular, although the German page seems to have some kind of automated function that does it for you. But for instance, the Finnish one doesn't, so I c&p it there, too. If my explanation was bad, please let me know :) -Yupik 07:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It's good that I asked (and you replied) because, yes, I also expected this to be automated.

Your explanation is probably good enough, I guess it is just me that I am not too smart ;) But, in any case, apparently you have done the whole thing for me, so I thank you very much indeed Mountolive | Talk 16:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically yes, you end up having to wait for someone to translate it :D You can, of course, ask people on their talk pages if they would be interested (which I have done when I know it probably will not get done ever otherwise :)). -Yupik 06:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OT

It was really weird to see references to Radio Futura on your talk page. Now I gotta go dig out my old LPs and CDs :D It's been a while since I listened to them! -Yupik 07:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

La Canción de Juan Perro is probably the best record ever recorded in Spain, and that even if the first three songs are probably the worst in the record. But El "Canto del Gallo" is the Spanish language taken to its best.

BTW, I am quite proud of my work in that article (RF), still, my English is most likely to be weird at times, if not plain wrong. If you want to pay a look there and fix it, you are most welcome Mountolive | Talk 16:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

having said the above, I have to say now that each and everyone Radio Futura record has at least two or three GREAT songs. La Ley del Desierto/del Mar, despite being now an old record with all the (now percieved as) flaws from that time, it still has "Semilla Negra", "La Ley", "Escuela de Calor" "Un africano por la Gran Vía", all great songs which sound perfectly fine more than 20 years after.

Then De un país en llamas has the superb "El tonto Simón", "No tocarte" or "Han caído los dos".

Veneno en la piel is also very good, actually their sales peak, with "Corazón de tiza", "El amigo desconocido", "Condena del amor"....I even got a personal crush on one of what I guess is the minor songs there: "Radar".

In other words: Radio Futura rocks! Mountolive | Talk 05:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That it does! :D The first album I heard from them was Veneno en la Piel and I was mesmerized! And it's ok if your English is weird at time, so is my Spanish and Catalan nowadays :D -Yupik 06:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW watching the old videos on Youtube is quite humorous! :D I don't remember them being so bad 8) -Yupik 06:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)