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  • 50% more line citations will be needed.
  • Get to FA
  • The writing seems a little awkward in a few places and could use some extra polishing up. The bulleted list of eruptions in the "Before AD 79" section should converted into a table form. The one picture I'd like to see added is an overhead (or satellite) shot to give the big picture.[1][2][3]... (I know the coordinate link takes you to a map site. But still an artfully chosen overhead image would help.) A section covering media appearance of the mountain (books, movies, &c.) would be welcome as well, if there were, say, more than two such.
  • Generally I think polishing is required - many sections are rather short, there are capitalised headings which don't conform to the MoS, and things like that. I think the article is not particularly scholarly at the moment - no references cited from journal articles or other academic sources. And the external links section is unnecessarily huge at the moment. But it's a solid article on a topic which is ideal for bringing up to featured standards. I have been planning to work on this article for a while, as Vesuvius is a Decade Volcano and thus included in Wikipedia:WikiReader/Decade Volcanoes which I created. I should be able to find time in the next week or so to give it a thorough editing which I hope will improve it a lot.
  • I didn't check up on the sources themselves yet, but a lot of those external links are linked to as sources within the text and the Osservatorio Vesuvio local national park authorities and eyewitness accounts are all good sources IMO, even if not literally scientific. I'll contact you, so we don't do duplicate work.
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An event mentioned in this article is an August 24 selected anniversary.

I don't see it as Americacentrism when the article on the city is located at Naples, Italy. RickK 05:45 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Of course it is not US-centric to mention that Naples is in Italy. But the specific form "Naples, Italy" is used in the U.S. and probably nowhere else. The context makes it clear that this is about Italy. Naples is primarily a city in Italy, and if there are other places of that name, they are certainly not too prominent. So there is no reason to use the US-centric form here. 145.254.41.145 Furthermore, the article did not use the link to "Naples, Italy" (which exists as an article), but rather two links, one to Naples and one to Italy, which is why I changed it. 145.254.41.145

I would like to suggest that a disambiguation page referencing the USS Vesuvius be added under vesuvius. I do not know how to do this.

I'd suggest adding a "== Namesakes ==" section at the end, use it to mention USS Vesuvius and the (twelve) HMS Vesuvius, since their names were inspired by the mountain. A full-blown disambiguation seems like overkill here. Stan 22:38, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Content moved from article

This text is still in the article: "(Note: In the original Greek mythology, Hercules is name Heracles, and is the son of Zeus and Hera (thus Heracles: "Son of Hera").)"

And an anonymous user added this: "Ehhh wrong!!! Zeus just called him Heracles to try and diffuse Hera's anger at his infidelity with Alcmene(among others. Zeus was a bit of a slut!). The name thing didn't really work and she still tried to kill him."

I moved it here instead. Perhaps the original claim is incorrect. Quadell (talk) 13:35, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

Since this link seems to support the anonymous user's claim, I'm going to change the article. Quadell (talk) 13:36, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Anon Comment

(Darco 06:15, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)) An anonymous user posted a commend on the main page that looked like it belonged here. Here it is:

Hey. It is said in the article that "It is the only active volcano on the European mainland, although it is not currently in eruption." I guess it should be "the ancient active volcano" or something like that since the sentece follows says "It is one of four active volcanos in Italy, situated on the coast of the Bay of Naples..."
Italy includes several islands, such as Sicily. I presume that the other three volcanoes are on those islands (but that's just a guess) Nik42 03:51, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oops ... should've re-read the article. I see someone else already pointed that out Nik42 03:53, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jll 21:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC) I have changed the statement that it is the only active volcano on the European mainland to say instead that it is the only one to have erupted within the last 100 years. The volcano page has three possible definitions for active:

  • "Scientists usually consider a volcano active if it is currently erupting or showing signs of unrest". Vesuvius isn't active according to this definition.
  • Erupted within historical time - Shouldn't this include Campi Flegrei (1538)?
  • Erupted within the last 10,000 years - ditto.


Mt Etna, Europe's highest active volcano is on Sicily. Most of the other active volcanoes in the area are on the Lipari Islands. There are several recently (in the last 2 or 3 thousand years) active volcanoes in other spots in Italy such as Mt. Vulture and Campi Flegrei. CFLeon 02:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Height of the main cone

Is height of the mount 1,281 m or 1,277 m? See http://www.answers.com/Vesuvius --ajvol 06:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)h

[edit] Delisted GA

There are no references. slambo 17:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

There is also some problems with the tephrochronology; ages don't run in order and the eruptive sequence notation is confusing and/or wrong. Not being a volcanologist, I'm not really au fait with what is right, but it's currently wrong. Rolinator 01:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elevation

Is there any modern elevation measurement? Brandmeister 18:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

The referencing now looks adequate for a GA. If the editors here intend to raise the page to an FA, probably 50% more line citations will be needed. Some of the sections and passages really ought to be cited but aren't. Based on overall comprehensiveness and encyclopedic tone I think this meets GA standards. Good work and keep improving. Durova 15:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

All that is in the article are the estimated populations of Pompeii and Herculaneum. Is there any way we could find out the estimated casualty figures for Naples, etc.? - Weebiloobil 21:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The simple answer is only if someone has been able to make, and publish, such an estimate. I have never seen one - the dynamics of the eruption and subsequent history of the region meant that Pompeii and Herculaneum got preserved with their human remains, and that probably wasn't true of the Naples area. Jll 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Today before Future?

Should the "Vesuvius Today" section be before the future section? - jlao 04 12:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, because "The future" is the last sub-section in the Eruptions section which describes the eruptive history (and predictions about how it may erupt in future) in chronological order. The "Vesuvius Today" section doesn't contain anything relating to volcanic eruptions, or even to the mountain being a volcano. Jll 18:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vesuvius today image

Can someone edit the image to give it more contrast? - jlao 04 14:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separate article for the Pompeji eruption?

I think there should be a seperate article on the Pompeji eruption, like it has been done with the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens or the Minoan eruption of Thera. We should split this article right here. --Bender235 14:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It is one of the most famous eruptions, possibly the most famous. Jll 09:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference is Wrong

The Reference #33 is an incomplete link because the page has been moved. It has to do with the planes destroyed in the 1944 blast. Lachliggity 20:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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