Talk:Mount Carmel, Illinois
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[edit] Founding date
hey everyone i need info about when the city was founded
[edit] Bedroom Community?
The city is mentioned in List of bedroom communities. Shouldn't it be given more importance in the article?
- I'm a little surprised that anyone listed it as a 'bedroom community'. I'm removing it until someone gets numbers. What percent of people in Mount Carmel do commute, and are they overwhelmingly bound to a single place? I'd think it'd be less than half, and skewed badly by the Gibson Generating station.
As a further note, if you do find numbers that suggest that Mount Carmel meets the definition provided for 'bedroom community' (the majority of workers commuting), please do two things:
1: Try and control for employment at the power plant and Keensburg. They are right outside of town, and their influence in a decision to relist Mount Carmel as a 'bedroom community' is unwarranted. Please only relist it if a majority of locals commuting to Albion, Lawrenceville, Evansville, and Princeton/Fort Branch (again, with controls to prevent Gibson Generating Station from skewing the numbers).
2: Rather than putting Mount Carmel back on the list in the Bedroom community article, consider breaking the list up and setting up a category. See Wikipedia:Categories for help & Category:Ghost_towns_in_the_United_States for an example/template. It's pretty easy to do.
MrZaiustalk 14:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Mt. Carmel's people mostly must commute to work, I believe. There used to be some heavy industry from Snap-On Tools, but they shut down several years ago. Many commute to haubsadt, where thiere is a Toyota plant, or to Princeton, where there is other heavy industry, some of which supports Toyota. The coal mine only supports a couple hundred workers, and many of them do not live in Mt. Carmel. My uncle works there, and I have been fortunate enought to tour the mine - great coolness!
As for PSI (the gibson generating station), while it does employ some people from MtC, I believe that it really doesn't support a whole lot of labor - I could be wrong, though. I recall getting a tour of that plant (friends who work there, too), and I don't recall seeing a lot of people during the tour. In the whole plant, again, I saw only maybe 50 or 60 people besides ourselves - it is highly automated.
My mom & dad used to commute daily to Evansville, but they have since moved there. Much of my living family still lives in MtC, tho.
Some more info - when I was a kid, the population had reached about 12,000. This was during the oil boom of the late 70's, during the OPEEC oil embargo. Much exploration was done, and somemillionaires were made. When OPEC "turned the valves back open," that really devastated the economy.
Until relatively recently, the city's policies have kept out larger businesses such as Wal Mart. However, those elected officials have been removed from office, and thing sound as if they are changing.
New news from my trip back there last week - Grayville, IL (about 25 mi S on rte 1) is opening an ethanol plant, and perhaps also a new supermax prison. There has also been a new cola mine open up towards friendsville, as I understand it, and there is talk of putting in new roads & railheads to keep the traffic out of the middle of town.
Feel free to surf my latest vacation write-up (on MtC) <a href="http://tomii.dnsalias.com/pics/Vacation/2006/MTC/">here</a>
-Tom Burke
- As regards the prison in Grayville, Governor Blagoyevich (sp?) pulled the funding very early on in the development process, and effecively killed both it and the businesses of several local contractors. If the ethanol plant goes through, there's a good chance it'll use the same land that the state tore up for the prison site. As regards relisting Mt. Carmel as a bedroom community, I still don't think it appropriate without some statistics to back it up. My folks commute to Moscow, Russia, I commute to Evansville, and I know a fair number of others that do as well, but it's still subjective. The easiest way to find the stats, if someone else cares enough to look into it, would be to subtract the number of employed people in Mt. Carmel from the working population of Mount Carmel. (note: Of course, we can't use [100-unemployment%]*population - something like a quarter of the population of the town wouldn't be measuered in the employment stats) Wikipedia:Facts_precede_opinions MrZaiustalk 14:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
