Talk:Mount Adams (Washington)
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[edit] Other Mount Adams
While the Mt. Adams in Washington state is probably the most well known, the USGS GNIS lists 7 mountains with this name:
Name State County
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Adams, Mount CO Grand summit 400512N 1054356W Monarch Lake
Adams, Mount CO Saguache summit 380027N 1053615W Horn Peak
Adams, Mount MT Flathead summit 481455N 1134238W Felix Peak
Adams, Mount NH Coos summit 441913N 0711729W Mount Washington
Adams, Mount NY Essex summit 440512N 0740134W Mount Adams
Adams, Mount OH Hamilton summit 390627N 0842957W Newport
Adams, Mount WA Yakima summit 461210N 1212922W Mount Adams East
I also checked NTS (Canada), and it lists 3 mountains with this name (two in B.C., one in NB).
How do we want to go about the process of disambiguation. Two options are:
- Mount Adams becomes the disambiguation page and what is currently here is moved to Mount Adams (Washington).
- create Mount Adams (disambiguation) listing all seven mountains but keeping the one in Washingston at Mount Adams.
It's probably best to go with the first option as it might seem to some of giving preferential treatment if we stick with the second option. The number of existing links is currently small so changing them won't take long.
RedWolf 21:09, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia disambiguation policy suggests that if one of the usages is much more common than the others, it should be the main page and the others are listed on the disambiguation page. If there is no predominant usage, they should be equally listed. So, at Google, I tried the following searches, with the number of results:
- "Mount Adams" Washington 21,100 hits
- "Mount Adams" Ohio 8,650 hits
- "Mount Adams" "New York" 5,080 hits
- "Mount Adams" Colorado 3,330 hits
- "Mount Adams" Montana 2,680 hits
- "Mount Adams" New Hampshire 1,890 hits
Not sure which provinces the "Mount Adams" in Canada are, otherwise I would do the search.
I admit that the 2.43:1 ratio between the Washington and Ohio usages is marginal to claim that Washington predominates. And even more telling, all of the non-Washington usages sum to 21,630, more than the Washington usage.
Bottom line --- as much I as like Mount Adams in Washington, I think you are right and we should make this a disambiguation page, with the current page moved to Mount Adams (Washington). -- hike395 03:07, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Sound fine by me so long as all links here are fixed. --mav 06:35, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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- I know this discussion happened a over a year ago, but it seemed to me that the conclusion reached was to make Mount Adams the disambig page and Mount Adams (Washington) the washington mountain's page. As the links above show, that didn't turn out to be the case. Why is that? Was it discussed elsewhere and simply decided against? Or was it decided that the ratio was high enough?jfg284 19:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Oops, I guess we talked about it and never did anything. I think it may require an admin (like mav or RedWolf) to do the move without losing page history. I'm still in favor of it. -- hike395 21:42, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mount Adams coordinates
There is a major problem with the coordinates given in the info-box on the side of the Mount Adams (Washington) page. They don't match any of the USGS coordinates for any Mount Adams, and they put Mount Adams almost 400 miles from Mount Saint Helens instead of about 35 miles away. I don't know how the info-box gets edited, but someone please do something about it!
Lee Thompson Hillsboro, Oregon Lnthomp 18:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- My Google Earth says that given coordinates match exactly with "Lassen Volcanic Centre" in state of California! Google Earth also references Simthsonian who says Mount Adams in Washington is 46.206"N, 121.490"W. I've translated that to 46°12'21" N 121°29'23" W and will put that in the infobox. Shinhan 17:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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- The National Geodetic Survey is the most accurate, up-to-date source of location data for benchmarks. I've included the NGS datasheet, as evidence, below. I'm changing the infobox to use these coordinates. -- hike395 00:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
DATABASE = Sybase ,PROGRAM = datasheet, VERSION = 7.37 1 National Geodetic Survey, Retrieval Date = AUGUST 12, 2006 SB1004 *********************************************************************** SB1004 DESIGNATION - MOUNT ADAMS SB1004 PID - SB1004 SB1004 STATE/COUNTY- WA/YAKIMA SB1004 USGS QUAD - MOUNT ADAMS EAST (1970) SB1004 SB1004 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL SB1004 ___________________________________________________________________ SB1004* NAD 83(1991)- 46 12 08.68245(N) 121 29 27.22091(W) ADJUSTED SB1004* NAVD 88 - 3743.4 (meters) 12281. (feet) VERTCON SB1004 ___________________________________________________________________ SB1004 LAPLACE CORR- -5.90 (seconds) DEFLEC99 SB1004 GEOID HEIGHT- -19.32 (meters) GEOID03 SB1004 SB1004 HORZ ORDER - SECOND SB1004 SB1004.The horizontal coordinates were established by classical geodetic methods SB1004.and adjusted by the National Geodetic Survey in December 1991.. SB1004 SB1004.The NAVD 88 height was computed by applying the VERTCON shift value to SB1004.the NGVD 29 height (displayed under SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL.) SB1004 SB1004.The Laplace correction was computed from DEFLEC99 derived deflections. SB1004 SB1004.The geoid height was determined by GEOID03. SB1004 SB1004; North East Units Scale Factor Converg. SB1004;SPC WA S - 97,078.020 423,529.247 MT 0.99993678 -0 43 11.2 SB1004;SPC WA S - 318,496.80 1,389,528.87 sFT 0.99993678 -0 43 11.2 SB1004;UTM 10 - 5,117,644.051 616,426.140 MT 0.99976663 +1 05 21.8 SB1004 SB1004! - Elev Factor x Scale Factor = Combined Factor SB1004!SPC WA S - 0.99941654 x 0.99993678 = 0.99935336 SB1004!UTM 10 - 0.99941654 x 0.99976663 = 0.99918331 SB1004 SB1004: Primary Azimuth Mark Grid Az SB1004:SPC WA S - SIGNAL PEAK 084 50 43.8 SB1004:UTM 10 - SIGNAL PEAK 083 02 10.8 SB1004 SB1004|---------------------------------------------------------------------| SB1004| PID Reference Object Distance Geod. Az | SB1004| dddmmss.s | SB1004| SB0990 SIGNAL PEAK APPROX.27.4 KM 0840732.6 | SB1004| CF3801 MOUNT ADAMS RM 2 23.942 METERS 09419 | SB1004| CF3800 MOUNT ADAMS RM 1 15.500 METERS 20619 | SB1004|---------------------------------------------------------------------| SB1004 SB1004 SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL SB1004 SB1004 NAD 83(1991)- 46 12 08.68560(N) 121 29 27.21973(W) AD( ) 2 SB1004 NAD 83(1986)- 46 12 08.69848(N) 121 29 27.20593(W) AD( ) 2 SB1004 NAD 27 - 46 12 09.25992(N) 121 29 22.90456(W) AD( ) 2 SB1004 NGVD 29 (07/19/86) 3741.7 (m) 12276. (f) VERT ANG SB1004 SB1004.Superseded values are not recommended for survey control. SB1004.NGS no longer adjusts projects to the NAD 27 or NGVD 29 datums. SB1004.See file dsdata.txt to determine how the superseded data were derived. SB1004 SB1004_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 10TFS1642617644(NAD 83) SB1004_MARKER: DD = SURVEY DISK SB1004_SETTING: 15 = METAL ROD DRIVEN INTO GROUND. SEE TEXT FOR ADDITIONAL SB1004+WITH SETTING: INFORMATION. SB1004_SP_SET: PREFABRICATED CONCRETE POST SB1004 SB1004 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By SB1004 HISTORY - 1970 MONUMENTED USGS SB1004 SB1004 STATION DESCRIPTION SB1004 SB1004'DESCRIBED BY US GEOLOGICAL SURVEY 1970 SB1004'RM 1 TO RM 2 NOT MEASURED. SB1004' SB1004'LOCATED ABOUT 55 MI WSW. OF YAKIMA, WASH. 35 MI N. OF THE COLUMBIA SB1004'RIVER. ON THE HIGHEST POINT OF MT. ADAMS. ABOUT 600 FT E. OF OLD SB1004'ABANDONED LOOKOUT HOUSE. IN APPROXIMATE CENTER OF LARGE FLAT SB1004'AREA. SB1004' SB1004'REACHED BY HELICOPTER. BEST ROUTE BY FOOT IS FROM TIMBERLINE CAMP SB1004'ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. ABOUT A 6 HOUR PACK. SB1004' SB1004'STATION MARK--A STANDARD TABLET STAMPED MOUNT ADAMS 1970 CRIMPED ONTO SB1004'A 15 INCH LENGTH OF 5/8 INCH COPPERWELD ROD CEMENTED IN A DRILL HOLE SB1004'IN A 1-1/2 X 2 FT BOULDER IN PLACE, PROJECTING ABOUT 0.5 FT ABOVE SB1004'GROUND. SB1004' SB1004'REFERENCE MARK NO. 1--A STANDARD REFERENCE MARK TABLET STAMPED NO 1 SB1004'1970 CRIMPED ONTO A 18 INCH LENGTH OF 5/8 INCH COPPERWELD ROD SB1004'CEMENTED IN A DRILL HOLE IN A 1-1/2 X 1-1/2 FT BOULDER IN PLACE, SB1004'PROJECTING ABOUT 0.6 FT ABOVE GROUND AND 4.3 FT LOWER THAN STATION SB1004'MARK. SB1004' SB1004'REFERENCE MARK NO. 2--A STANDARD REFERENCE MARK TABLET STAMPED SB1004'NO 2 1970 CRIMPED ONTO A 18 INCH LENGTH OF 5/8 INCH COPPERWELD ROD SB1004'CEMENTED IN A DRILL HOLE IN A 2 X 1-1/2 FT BLACK BOULDER IN PLACE, SB1004'PROJECTING ABOUT 1.2 FT ABOVE GROUND AND 3.9 FT LOWER THAN STATION SB1004'MARK.
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- Thats an impressive evidence. Thank you. Shinhan 04:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
