Talk:Mother insult

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Contents 1 Earlier merge/redirect 2 Listing Jokes 3 General Content 4 Examples 5 your mom in hebrew 6 Rock band 7 Minor Issue 8 This page should be merged 9 edit protect? 10 Examples 2 11 Requested move 11.1 Survey 11.1.1 Survey - in support of the move 11.1.2 Survey - in opposition to the move 11.2 Discussion

[edit] Earlier merge/redirect

This page should be merged with The dozens because it is redundant; the page Your mom redirects to The dozens. SCHZMO ✍ 23:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Just do it already, this page shouldn't even exist! pm_shef 03:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

• Seperate linguistic concept While dozens uses "your mom" they are not the same thing. Dozens is an insult contest, while "your mom" is a specific type of insult, as well as a sarcastic retort. Dgies 22:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The comments to merge above are about a far inferior prior version of the article.--Kchase T 04:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I still think it should be merged, actually. --Galaxiaad 14:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• Colloquial insults similar to Your mom are also found in the British (Your mum) and Irish (Yer ma) English, and they are in no way related to the Dozens. How about, rather than redirecting, adding the European equivalents to separate the context from The Dozens? Lauranen 13:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merging the two makes no sense. "Your mom" has become much more than a simplistic element of a Dozens contest - that much is clear. 76.185.19.196 02:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Listing Jokes

Please don't list "Your mom..." jokes here. It's unencyclopedic and duplicates the existing list at The Dozens. Dgies 05:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah someone might want to get out into the sunlight sometime and notice how 'your mom' jokes in the movies and on tv aren't the same in delivery or content as the ones used in real life. --68.20.3.186

What about a link to Yo Mamma on MTV?--Xlegiofalco 18:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Aside from similarity in name, it has much more to do with The Dozens than it does with insulting mothers. Dgies 04:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Some poor soul who lives under a rock may need to know what the "Yo momma" title of the show refers to. I added a See Also section and put a link to Yo Momma and The dozens. Angrycrustacean 05:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I know where you live poser —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.161.48.246 (talk)

I know where your mom lives. 137.22.25.157 05:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.26.101.71 (talk) 14:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] General Content

Should there be a "the use of an absurd attempt at an insult" in the retort section? That doesnt seem very neutral. --Kittens! 22:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe add something to the effect not to use "Your mom" if the person's mother has passed away as this can ruin the nature of the "joke" quite substantially.

[edit] Examples

There has been some sort of wiki war regarding the examples. The current one is "Person 1: I'm going to the shop Person 2: Oh Yeah? Your Mom is going to the shop!"

There are basicly three usagesv(they overlap) I have seen so far (and many people, esp here in Montreal, have actually never heard of these, so there might be a point adding this to the wiki):

- one where person one says that p1 or p2 does or is something, and the 'retort' is that 'your mom' is or does the same thing

- one where p1 says something and p2 does not know what to retort, or does not actually intend to retort something that makes any sense. i.e. "Person 1: Your dumb! Person 2: Well.. Your Mom!"

- the third usage is usually in a somewhat ambiguous statement involving sexual allusions. i.e. "Person 1: What are you doing? Person 2: Your Mom!"

I agree that this might be silly and insulting, but its nevertheless part of north american youth culture; and since not everybody knows about it, maybe some examples would help... Anton

Agreed. I wouldn't be opposed to putting those three examples in, complete with more encyclopedic versions of the explanations you posted. I don't like the "going to the shop" example because it doesn't really make any sense as an insult, despite the article claiming "Your mom" is an insult. At the very least I think the one present example should be changed, possibly to "What are you doing?" as per your comment. Angrycrustacean 06:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'm partly responsible for nuking the extra examples. It's because this can turn into a big pile of tasteless jokes really fast. I do agree that there are three common forms of retort. I suppose it would make sense to explain those three forms and give a single (non-gratuitous) example of each. I intentionally used a tame example because I didn't want to encourage "your mom"-joking vandals. Dgies 15:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Bit the bullet and added in refined versions of the examples Anton suggested, as well as removed the Napoleon Dynamite reference which I don't think had a place in the article now that we have more generic examples. Hopefully an expanded list won't encourage people to add more, but I feel the article is much more thorough now. Angrycrustacean 00:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your mom in hebrew

האמא שלך

Oh my god the Hebrew Wikipedia makes my head hurt! If you have a page for האמא שלך there, or want to make one feel free and I will gladly include a link to it. Dgies 02:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

That's cool. Your mom in Chinese: 你的媽媽. 75.178.178.11 03:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC) xIxFellxInxLovexAtxThexSeasidex

Your mom in Polish: twoja stara. It translates almost directly and is insultive in the same way. Doesn't look as impressive as Hebrew one, though. ;-) 193.59.72.35 16:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Kosma

[edit] Rock band

There is/was a rok band called Your Mom; they appeared on the Road Rash: Jailbreak soundtrack. I'm not sure if that's notable, and the band didn't have muh success, but it is a good example of how famous the joke is in its own right. --Switch 09:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you please provide a reference for this? -- Dgies 15:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Other than owning the game myself, and having the soundtrack listed in-game and in the manual (on pg 23), I don't know of a site that lists all the soundtrack contributors. I only know that they contributed a song called "Cosa Nostra" to the game. The song details: Written by Josh Turner, Conor O'Neill; published by One ill (ASCAP), Blanket Party (ASCAP); recording courtesy of Do Ray Me. Their website, according to the game, used to be located at [1], but that domain name has been reassigned since then. Can't do better than that though, sorry. -Switch ^t 16:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the same band, but it doesn't matter for the purpose you're suggesting. I added it to the article.--Kchase T 19:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Issue

Hey, I know it's nothing major, but a couple of times the article refers to it as being part of "North American culture", but I think it's much more of a global thing. It's just as common here in Britain, or in I think any european country212.32.11.115 15:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree that previous versions of the article were a bit provincial but the current one makes that mention only once while discussing American pop-culture references. —Dgies^t c 16:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This page should be merged

A page called The Dozens is basically the same thing as Your Mom. I think that this should be merged with that page because there really is no difference. Also, for The Dozens, stop calling it strictly an African-American tradition, because MANY non-African-Americans like to do this. --JustN5:12 02:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• They were merged, but the dozens had very little info on the non-dueling uses of the term, and was getting a bunch of people asking "what the hell is this" expecting nonsense retorts instead of African American heritage. I'm not convinced its possible to write a single cohesive article which both covers African American insult dueling, and the more general use of people's mothers for insults or comebacks. —Dgies^t c 02:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • That brings up another point: The Dozens and variants of it are not just strictly an African American tradition.JustN5:12 00:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
    • The origins, heritage, and continuing use of insult duels are a complex enough issue I won't try to argue except to say the proper venue for it would be at Talk:The dozens. —Dgies^t c 02:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] edit protect?

Something tells me that would be a good idea.

I've asked twice since the last unprotection. Feel free to try again at WP:RPP. They might appreciate the irony of a protection request coming from an anonymous user. —Dgies^t c 21:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Examples 2

There should probably be a section with a few examples of use, such as on the That's What She Said article. I might add one later. Randomfrenchie 20:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

There used to be a section, but I removed it. The whole thing lacked references and was a huge magnet for people adding dumb jokes. Please don't add any more examples unless you have references for them from reliable sources. —dgies^t_c 20:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

How could you possibly cite sources for examples? It will not get vandalized much because it has been semi-protected. If it is vandalized, we will change it back. I do not think there should be 20 examples, but maybe 4 or 5. It would be good ones that the Wikipedia community agrees on. It wouldn't hurt. Randomfrenchie 01:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Difficulty in getting references is no excuse for adding material without it. Regarding semi protection: That is not permanent. Yet even when semi protected, well-meaning editors, whether unaware of the attribution policy, or just feeing silly, will add their own favorite your-mom comebacks. Look what happens to The dozens.

In an ideal world, we would have a small list of retorts, with citations for each one. In the real world, we need some mechanism to prevent the article from becoming a big list of things made up in school one day.

It might seem that I'm being a big spoilsport, but I managed to take what was a bunch of bad jokes replaced with a redirect, and turn it into a moderately complete, serious, well-referenced article so I'd rather not see it backslide. —dgies^t_c 02:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 11:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)