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Contents 1 Birmingham page 2 Liberal Democrats 3 UK Local Authority / District naming 4 A request for help 5 City splitting 6 Districts of Wales 7 Where places are 8 English Districts 9 Tony Blair 10 Your User Page's Facelift 11 Lists of flags 12 Elizabeth Daily 13 Taoiseach/Prime Minister 14 From a fan 15 Another fan 16 Pinochet 17 District renamings 18 Star Trek characters 19 Lembit & Sian 20 1974 21 Categorisation 22 Counties Infobox 23 Cornish's Status 24 Vote 25 English regionial maps same as EERs? 26 European Elections 27 Beaver Island 28 Sudbury, Suffolk,

[edit] Birmingham page

Hi Morwen, please can you unlock the page now, we have debated the issue over Nick Mason etc and it stands that 3 to 1 are in favour of keeping Nick Mason on the page in the original context, i would also like to revert some of the articles that Andy has added superflous information but i have conceded to keep other work he has done like the bartock, industrial revolution and removal of my middle hip hop section. If i want to correct edits in future i won't simply revert the whole page as you have brought to my attention is unfair to Andy and others!

Many thanks. Nick

"it stands that 3 to 1 are in favour of keeping Nick Mason on the page in the original context" I dispute this claim. Andy Mabbett 18:42, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

He is angry because Pigsonthewing is removing his work. And frankly I dont blame him. A bit of an overeaction perhaps. I think you'd batter protect it again G-Man 18:16, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Why did you ask me to show you where Andy Mabbet has deleted some of my work if you have no intention of helping? Nick

[edit] Liberal Democrats

You just added Liberal Democrat to the LDYS expansion, although as I was describing the catchment group for these organisations it looks wrong to just add this for the one grouping. I think it looks better without (as otherwise would need to expand all of them for consistency...) --VampWillow 21:03, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

What I did was make there be a link to it under that name (as Youth & Students would be rather ambigous) - the text shown remains the same. Morwen 21:11, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

mea culpa.. that'll teach me to look at the code not the output! --VampWillow 21:31, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

made a slight amendment for consistency VampWillow

[edit] UK Local Authority / District naming

That's a *very* purple dress, Morwen! I was wondering about local authority / district pages and naming, having stumbled across the City of Bradford whilst editing the Ilkley article. The City of Bradford's title gives no hint that it is about an Area - though I do concede the council is called City of Bradford MDC. Compare it with, say, Alnwick (district) - here I greant the (district) is required to disambiguate the name from the article on the town. All of which got me around to wondering whether area names which are to all intent & purpose defined by local government boundaries, should not be named as is the authority. Bringing it back home to Ilkley, I know the good folk there would prefer to think they live in the Bradford Met Area, than in the City of Bradford. However I know you've put in a great deal of thought & work into the Area pages, and so will not unilaterally change the pagename, but rather open a discussion. best wishes --Tagishsimon

I guess I was saying that I thought the page should be entitled City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council area, or even City of Bradford area or Bradford area. "Ilkley people may not like the fact they live in the City of Bradford, but they certainly do", you say. But that is my point exactly. They do not live in the City of Bradford, which is a place defined, I'd guess, in its Royal Charter. They live in the Town of Ilkley, which happens to be in the Bradford Area (however we name it). I agree that St.Albans has a crappy long name, and that the whole thing is a pest...but still, something just ain't right about the present naming. If it helps, I'm up for assisting in whatever work needs doing, should you come to agree that something should be done; I suspect User:Keith Edkins might also have input on this, and I'll ask him.

No, they definitely _do_ live in the City of Bradford. They're not going to like that very much, Morwen. I'm going to volunteer you to tell them; I suggest you wear the purple again; they might think you're the Pope and take it somewhat better. So. No article name changes, I guess, which I suppose is good. Thanks for taking the trouble to find the evidence to support your argument. best wishes --Tagishsimon

That way madness lies. Even St. Albans cannot decide what it is called; study the left column in [1]. Feel free to nick [2] as a starting point, if you want ... I think it was compiled fairly carefully. Yes, very purple. --Tagishsimon

Do we even have a list of UK Local Authorities / administrative Areas on the Wikipedia? I've not yet seen one, and it would make life easier, non? I think (in no particular timescale) I might add very specific Census 2001 links to all town & local authority pages, since the ONS seem to dice and slice the Census 2001 website in that fashion. Tsk. I wish I'd started on wikipedia at the start of winder, not at the start of summer ... so many things to do other than sit at th terminal ... warm light nights... --Tagishsimon

<coy>I might be.</coy> --Tagishsimon

[edit] A request for help

Given your name's association with the word's origin, I was wondering if you might have a look at morning as a favor to me? I saw a red link to morning and was surprised, so I shifted over part of the 1911 EB text, but the article still needs plenty of work, I think. I can't decide exactly how the article should proceed, and I'm slightly worried that it may not get outside a dictionary definition (although night had no trouble with that). I'm going to think about it and consider some additions, but when I considered who might be willing to help, the ME word morwen jumped out at me and made me think of you. :-) Jwrosenzweig 18:09, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Your additions are looking great. :-) Jwrosenzweig 18:22, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] City splitting

About cities splitting. I am not opposed to splitting city articles per se, but I am generally of the opinion that common usage should be our guide to whether things are split or not.

I didn't mind the splitting of the Sunderland article too much because a large chunk of the city of Sunderland was made up of Washington etc.

But in the case of Sheffield I dont think the case is so clear cut, Stocksbridge is the only significant place which is seperate from the main conurbation and that has a population of only 14,000 out of a total population of over 500,000.

Also common usage associates 'Sheffield' with 'city'. As I say many readers will find it mightily odd to see Sheffield is a place in the city of Sheffield they might not understand what were talking about.

I would still favour them to be re-merged. I dont know if I've persuaded you G-Man 12:36, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Districts of Wales

I think the county boroughs of Wales probably all need doing, probably either at Conwy County Borough or Conwy (county borough). I'd favour the first, but the second is closer to what you've done for England (and great work that was, too).

Looking at Welsh Wikipedia, it has Conwy (town), Conwy (county) and Conwy (constituency), but I don't think that's a good idea. Warofdreams 17:50, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Where places are

I though we'd reached an understanding whereby places are listed geographically and not politically. I see you've reverted the 'Newport' page which I'd listed geographic counties instead of arbitrary suffixes like 'South East Wales'. There was even a disclaimer to explain this! I really don't see the point in putting Newport, South East Wales (traditionally in Monmouthshire). Monmouthshire IS IN South East Wales, so phrasing it your way adds nothing (except confusion). I'd also had a stab at listing the Newport's by population but your reverting to an older version has undone that. How about a consensus here? Owain 12:51, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] English Districts

Don't take my word for it, the Office for National Statistics proclaimeth thusly:

There are currently 46 unitary authorities in England, and 34 shire counties split into 239 (non-metropolitan) districts. Note that this district total includes the Isles of Scilly ... [3]

There are 32 actual (London) boroughs, and also the City of London ... [4]

The 36 metropolitan district councils... [5]

 46
239
 32
  1
 36
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Q.E.D. --Keith Edkins 14:10, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Tony Blair

If you look at pages such as Derry Irvine (on the "charts" at the bottom, listing the preceding and succeeding person in each office), life peers are listed as "Lord Falconer of Thoroton". I just used that as my reference. As I understand it, many life peers did go by their peerages, while others didn't (such as George Robertson, who's ironically listed as "Lord Robertson" throughout the NATO pages). cryptfiend64 19:26, May 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Your User Page's Facelift

Hi Moreen! I've just had a look at your user page (not for the first time, but for the first time since you uploaded that photo). It's nice to be able to put a face to the name of the first person to welcome me to Wikipedia back in January:=) David Cannon 11:15, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of flags

People are focusing on completing the List of flags with red article. Can you do this with the other flag color list articles as well?? There are a total of 7, which are blue, red, white, yellow, green, black, and orange. 66.245.2.114 17:40, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Daily

You are congratulated for your summary in Talk:Elizabeth Daily. Please see the latest discussion on this page (Talk:Elizabeth Daily that is).

P.S.: And you have the same birthday as mine, June 26. What a coincidence! --65.73.0.137

[edit] Taoiseach/Prime Minister

Ok, so this is obviously something about which intelligent people can disagree. I really think though, that the use of capitals for PM in the constitution is an example of legalese. There are other examples of this; for example the state is called "the State" but no one would argue that this word should be capitalised in the Republic of Ireland article.

I broadly agree with the idea that we should not completely disregard common usage of words; but I also think that--thanks to a very lazy foreign media--an awful lot of non-Irish people are under the impression that Prime Minister is actually an official title, and wikipedia should not do anything to perpetuate this. No-one should be under the impression that Irish Prime Minister would ever be used in the Republic (Prime Minister of Ireland is another kettle of fish entirely because of the ambiguity of "Ireland").

You also gotta allow for the delicate sensibilities of Irish folk who are profoundly pendantic about little things like this. In fairness, though, after 80 years existing on the other side of but a few miles of sea it would be nice if the British media at least could learn to use the proper title.

Iota | talk 01:38, 16 May (UTC).

[edit] From a fan

I've noticed the great effort you put into the Wikipedia, such as creation of all those map images and others, your copious contributions in articles and your work in abating vandalism and I think you deserve some recognition for it :) It's most commendable - keep up the good work you do! Dysprosia 08:31, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Another fan

I'm sorry. You've been so polite to me. I shouldn't change the words you have actually said. Nevertheless, anything may be obscure. What's the matter? Is even saying something may be obscure is too POVish? I'm not trying to be rude. Please, feel free to give a response. --65.73.0.137

Why on earth did you presume that? I don't care whether you come or not. Secretlondon 22:11, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

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If you haven't read, see meta:Talk:Bans and blocks. Martin 01:11, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pinochet

Would you be interested in making some comments at Talk:Augusto Pinochet#Another poll about whether or not an assertion for U.S. backing of the 1973 coup is misleading? 172 19:19, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] District renamings

I've added those I know of to Districts of England#Renamings. Bit short on dates, I'm afraid. --Keith Edkins 19:18, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek characters

Quick question: Should we be making the Star Trek character's names sorted by surname? For example [[Category:Star Trek characters|Sisko, Benjamin]]? Mrwojo

I would say no, due to all the aliens. Morwen 15:27, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Makes sense. Mrwojo 15:31, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Lembit & Sian

Ah well spotted, I saw sthg on the telly about em. They were in Hello! and I thought they had got married. will revert. Dunc Harris | Talk 14:58, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 1974

Didn't know about "Tyneside". The Redcliffe-Maud Commission in 1969 (?) never managed to get that far. --garryq 22:37, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There was a tyneside PTE in the early seventies if not before. It covered Newcastle and Gateshead. Not sure if it stretched into South and North Shields. Their bright orange monsters only invaded Sunderland in 1974, supplanting the sickly green and cream of Sunderland Corporation Transport. I know that the 2 parishes of Easingtin District were included in the metro. district in 1974, and that the PTE are now trying to annex Seaham by extending the metro out to there.--garryq 23:13, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Categorisation

Went by the list on the categorisation page and there wasn't any listing for UK (or alternatives) so posted my schema there and have made links since ... (expresses annoyance at people not posting on the discussion/listing page first but knows that is not your fault) --VampWillow 12:42, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Counties Infobox

Speaking of stupid boxes, the ones I did for English counties turned out a bit of a mess, so I'm working on Mark II. Would welcome comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Subdivisions --Keith Edkins 11:55, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Do you happen to have border data for the districts of Avon, Hereford and Worcester and Humberside?

What resolution? If you just want 200px sketches like your county-district maps I can probably rustle something up.

I don't have much comments really. I like the way the locator map is showing the ceremonial area too.

I'll take that as a yes then. Can I amend your existing locator maps to show the ceremonial areas?

I want to see these boxes on all the unitaries and shire districts too ;)

All in good time! I'm not sure about including volatile data (political control & MPs) as this would be creating rather a heavy on-going maintenance burden. The parliamentary constituencies don't align with districts anyway!

Btw, I have discovered an interesting fact. Compare Map of Dorset from 1695 and Map of Dorset from 1720 ...

I'm not sure I would place any reliance on the 1695 map - it looks pretty sketchy. The part which appears to have changed contains no settlements, so if Morden just knew that Long Bridge and Wambrook were in Dorset he may have joined them up without thinking there could be a gap.

I discovered an "interesting" fact of my own - Lincolnshire has a border with Northamptonshire. NALOPKT! It's all of 19 metres long and in the middle of a stream, so is probably not crossable. It's certainly the shortest county boundary I know of. --Keith Edkins 10:29, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Image:Avon 1974 Numbered.png - Image:Humberside 1974 Numbered.png - Image:HerefordWorcester 1974 Numbered.png - enjoy! --Keith Edkins 13:51, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Cornish's Status

You may want to look at http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/cornish/charterfull.htm I find article 9 most interesting. Kjspahis

[edit] Vote

Thanks for the message. A few more Xs would have been preferable :) --garryq 08:49, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] English regionial maps same as EERs?

Hey!

I've Seen you've done maps for the various regions of England (e.g. Greater London, East of England, West Midlands, etc.). Are these maps the same boundries as the European Election Regions? (Scotland, NI, and Wales don't count since their EER is the whole country and not various sub-regions like England). --iHoshie 03:33, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] European Elections

I'm putting the actual names of the candidates in. I've got the BBC stream on my PC, so I can put them in directly as they are announced. However, I am not putting the parties in. I suggest that you do that. David Newton 22:58, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to do all the updating. David Newton 23:01, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Beaver Island

I'm not sure I agree with the move to Beaver Island, Michigan. That form is used for cities, towns, villages, etc. and is not generally used for geographical features. If anything, it should be something like Beaver Island (Michigan). older≠wiser 18:18, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I had a discussion with Rmherman about that very point a while back. Check out [6] and [7]. My preference would be to leave the two combined, since the one is so tiny that it is really not worth having a separate article about. But I'm not dogmatic about it--more lazy, because we couldn't come up with a practical disambiguation scheme for it. older≠wiser 18:27, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Sudbury, Suffolk,

I created "Sudbury, Suffolk,", and following the merge message included the few notes in "Sudbury, Suffolk" and pasted them to the latter. I was checking out how to request that "Sudbury, Suffolk," be deleted when you made a redirect. I am requesting the whole page is deleted - it only exists because I had an extra comma where it shouldn't have been. :) --garryq 18:42, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)