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[edit] krill

hallo to England - hallo Abigail! formatting is a matter of style and personal taste - we used it the way it is many years in teaching, and we got much feedback, very positive, from all over the world - if today wikipedia articles need all to be very huge and thus confusing, all alike looking, thats a matter of another taste. We like big images and videos, as we have on our teaching servers since the haydays of the web, now giving away for the great ideas of wikis and joint creations - keep up with your fine work, we like your great images of England - Uwe Kils 17:51, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sheffield (UK Parliament constituency)

Hi! I saw that you have added to the Sheffield (UK Parliament constituency) that Sheffield used to be in the West Riding constituency. Are you sure of this?... The reason I ask is that according to this webpage the West Riding constituency wasn't created until 1832, which is the same year that the Sheffield constituency was created. Thanks, JeremyA 05:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your support

Thank you for supporting my candidacy for administrator. Kelly Martin 14:44, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] krill

Dear morven, I addressed the objections that were raised, thank you very much for the advice - it would be nice if you would take another look at Antarctic krill - best greetings Uwe Kils 03:57, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] thank you everybody

I would like to express my thanks to everybody helping in the nomination of Antarctic krill. I think 3 1/2 supports and a long long discussion are an unexpected and great outcome for a critter so remote and unknown - you should see how little and poor Antarctic krill is represented in Encarta and Britannica - this is the best reviewed and resourced general article of krill we know of - it is impossible to fullfill all wishes at the same time - this is what we did with our all product peer review stamp to qualify this stage of the article for academic exercises, especially for our dreams of a Virtual university within Wikiversity - good luck to you all Uwe Kils 21:48, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Greek Peripheries

Hello, and congrats for the maps of greek peripheries and prefectures. We use them also in Greek Wikipedia. I'd like to ask you to remake (when you have the time) some of these, as there is an error: Image:GreecePeloponnesus.png and Image:GreeceWest.png and all the others borders. Ilia Prefecture (west Peloponnesus) should be in GreeceWest where it belongs. I tried to do it myself but the result is not so good, as I don't have your hi-res sources. —Geraki 2005-06-16 T 17:06 Z

Hi. Has the situation changed, then. I'm sure I got those boundaries from somewhere. I am retired from map-making but will probably be able to dig out the original high res maps. Morwen - Talk 20:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your Maps

Wow! You make some really nice maps. How do you make them? Through a program, through an online resource? How do you outline the lands and color them? Any help you could give would be much appreciated. I also noticed that most of your images are PNG and are licensed as GPL. If you are using some kind of software or something how do you work out the copyright? I want to make some similar maps of regions in the U.S.

Just the gimp and a lot of hard work. Morwen - Talk 20:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very, very much for the maps you did for Nigerian states. They look excellent! - Rjhatl 08:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] response from London

Uwe wants to share this with you (from his talk page):

[edit] Hello Kils

Just would like to state that i have very much enjoyed being involved in a project of this nature. To see the speed of co-operation between various people was (Uwe, Lupo and Salleman and all others) fantastic. It was a complete buzz to go off researching about a scientific subject and coming to some understanding and appreciation of a creature that i would have no knowledge or interest in otherwise. I would like to say that it takes a damn good teacher to get others interested in what they teach and i for one, if only in a rudimentary and general way have found the subject of Krill and sorrounding issues of ecology and environment fascinating. I think that says a lot about your willingness to let others participate in something which you obviously have great knowledge in and could easily have been a lot less humble with. At some point i will put up some informtion on my home page so at least people know a little more about me. Am going to try to extend the article on Ice-algae so any info you may have would be good. I hope the article on Antartic Krill gets featured as i think it is now very good.

Wikiversity sounds like a good idea but will need more time to go through the proposal (not too sure what help i could be).

Once again thanks Uwe! Yakuzai 22:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

that feels good

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Antarctic_krill

did you see who gave the picture of the day? take care Uwe Kils Image:heringmini.jpg 23:58, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the revert

I was about to revert myself, but caused an edit conflict. It's good to know others are watching :) -- Longhair | Talk 12:23, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] antarctic krill

  • Support. Much better now. Can we get the lists at the bottom formatted as * lists? Morwen - Talk 12:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
hallo Morven - thanks for the support -we still collect more (see comment of Lupo, who did most of the ref work) later we might change it Uwe Kils Image:heringmini.jpg 12:36, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Besides vandalism...

I'm thinking if User:CrackMonster McFuckDemon should be blocked indefinitely because of an inappropriate username (see Wikipedia:Username). Thanks. --RonH 01:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] We did it!

Hitchhiker's Guide is now a featured article. Which would explain all the minor vandalism this morning. :P --JohnDBuell | Talk 11:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Crossmaglen

I'd appreciate an explanation for your recent revert. Thanks.

Lapsed Pacifist 16:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have. Please assess your revert again.

Lapsed Pacifist 16:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've noticed you've been active since I left my last message. I'd appreciate an outline (even if it's brief) of your difficulties with my entries before I revisit the article.

Lapsed Pacifist 02:55, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving FAC template

Thanks for moving the {{fac}} template to Talk:Pathological science. Silly mistake on my part; I knew perfectly well it should be on the talk page! --P3d0 13:23, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Enterprise - Crazy About TV link

I'm not connected to the Crazy About TV link poster, but I'm curious why you deleted it from the Enterprise article. The reason I ask is if you are aware of something improper about it, similar links have been added to a number of other TV show articles and if these are bad links they'll need to be deleted. 23skidoo 15:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:UK Wikipedians

Hi, just to let you know that the list of UK participants at the UK notice board was getting rather long, so I have replaced it with the above category which I have added to your user page. -- Francs2000 | Talk 30 June 2005 20:25 (UTC)

[edit] Here you go!

(moved to User:Morwen)

[edit] Thank You

I am User:A.K.A.47, currently logged off. I am also a Londoner, and would just like to write you a quick note to thank and congratulate you on the starting and early modifying of the 7 July 2005 London bombings article. wikipedia is not a news site, but in instances like these it provides a hugely useful and consice source of usually reliable, well written information. Thank you and god bless. 11:15PM (uk time).

[edit] Fame!

Well, sort of. See http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2005/07/001005.php ... -- ChrisO 8 July 2005 22:10 (UTC)

[edit] Maps again

First of all, I will take this opportunity - as I do every time I start chatting with you - to say how much I love your maps. They've inspired me, obviously. I had a couple of questions... First of all, why have you "retired?" Not enough time? Didn't like people bugging you saying "our country split it self again"? Just curious, that's all. And second, while browsing through your work, I noticed that for a while, you were using different colors for different countries - Iran and South Africa were green, the Netherlands were orangish, and Zaire (Yes, I will call it Zaire. :P) was blue. Was there any particular reason for these, or did you just pick a random color when working on a map, or what? I've stuck with the pink color scheme that you later seem to have stuck with, but I was just curious as to your reasoning, if there was any at all.

Thanks in advance if you answer these questions, and I'll join the chorus in saying good job in the bombing article. --Golbez July 9, 2005 08:51 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed a few national colors, green for Ireland, etc. I'll check what colors work best in black and white. Thanks :) --Golbez July 9, 2005 10:04 (UTC)

[edit] Atheist

Strong or weak, have you considered joining the Atheist Wikipedians? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:54, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] US republicanism rant

Well, I got blocked 24 H over the "republic" article not so long ago, together with the guy defending Republicanism in the United States. I put that article as "in need of attention" afterwards. For me this'll do. Don't let that keep you from whatever you think most appropriate. Mind you that I still think the Republicanism in the United States article should best be cleaned out by people who know what they're doing (I'm a European), giving a NPOV presentation of the issue. --Francis Schonken 08:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

PS: and I thought it fun to read the 1928 definition (kinky fun, I admit) - well that's how people thought in those days. How are we ever going to understand the roots of, for example, the war on Irak, if we keep throwing out of wikipedia what goes around in distorted minds? --Francis Schonken 08:55, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Love you. If you feel inspired to further improve Republicanism in the United States or Republicanism, feel welcome! --Francis Schonken 09:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] current event question

i am curious as to how you got the jump on the london bombings current event article...

--jonasaurus 21:36, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] chop suey

I have no intention of violating policy. However, Gisling does. --Muchosucko 16:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Don't you hate it when you're wrong?

Because I know I do:

  • This is pretty clearly a comment. You can comment all you like! (But it's good form to start with the word "comment".) - brenneman(t)(c) 04:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
    • It's a comment now Check the edit history. Morwen - Talk 06:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, Morwen, how irritating of you to be correct! ^_^
I'm sorry about that, I should have looked closer. - brenneman(t)(c) 06:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] British Israelism

I beg your pardon. I wrote it at the bottom and then decided it would fit better near the top, neglecting to delete the original. Well spotted, thanks.

Lapsed Pacifist 15:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Urban75

Thanks for the revert. User:Ernestolynch, apparently also operation the two anon accounts, seems to be deliberately trolling - editing the Urban75 and Libcom articles just to get a reaction. I'm tempted to suggest a short ban might do the user some good.

On a different subject, your CIA notice is a great idea. I've made a start on Geography of the Falkland Islands and will work on some more in future. Warofdreams 17:00, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conflicts proposal

Hi Morwen,

Thanks for the comments about my naming conflict resolution proposal. Have you seen Wikipedia:Naming conflict, which is the policy that Ed Poor and I wrote up following the initial proposal? -- ChrisO 17:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Newport

Are you some kind of [deleted]? - The article in question is Reform Act 1832 which is notable for the disenfranchisement of rotten boroughs. The text of the act can be found at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/adw03/peel/refact/refact.htm and you will note the Newport is listed as a disenfranchised borough. The article to which you refer http://www.oldtowns.co.uk/Hampshire/newport.htm was written in 1843. It specifically says "It returns two members to the House of Commons, as it did before the Reform Act." i.e. the borough was NOT disenfranchised. You will further note that if you look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/StStephenbyLaunceston/ that it clearly states "Newport [Cornwall] sent members to Parliament from 1552 until the seats were abolished by the Reform Act in 1832" - you might also note that on the very same site that you referred to earlier at http://www.oldtowns.co.uk/Cornwall/launceston.htm in an article written in 1839 - it states - "By the Reform Act, Launceston and the adjoining borough of Newport are included in a district, and both together now return one member." - I am about to go to bed and do not have time to fix your errors at this point in time. Goodnight. Jooler 00:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Given our coverage of the peerage, I did wonder whether we had an article on Sutherland, but I just didn't know how to find it. And of course it's okay to make corrections. Your timing was impeccable, I was just in the process of updating the main Signpost page. --Michael Snow 13:48, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] World Community Grid

Hello, before you read on I would just like to say that I have so far only posted this to a limited amount of administrators for consultation. If you have any objections to its wider distribution or suitability for Wikipedia please let me know.'

Hi, I would just like to invite you to find out about the World Community Grid Human Proteome Folding Project. This is a purely philanthropic project and supported by a "blue chip" corporation in IBM. There is an ability to join a team once you have downloaded the software and another user has already established the Wikipedia team.

I would like to emphasise that I do not want to pressure anybody into feeling obligated and I understand the limited computer resources/access available to some. Feel free to pass this message on and thank you very much for your time, Mark83 21:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Significant objections have been raised to this. Mark83 10:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Counties again

Hello Morwen, I assume you are no-longer intersted in this stuff, however just in case you are. The issue of the counties policy has recently come up again (yawn), and I though you might like to take part in the debate going on Here. You input would be much appreciated. G-Man 19:45, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania

Just a reminder that editing Wikipedia at Wikimania is sad ;). Have fun! Yours Secretlondon 17:57, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi 62.206.65.6! Being drunk on German cider sounds cool. I'm not jealous or anything :P Secretlondon 23:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
ditto / WSS ... --Vamp:Willow 00:57, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
You scare me massively. Wireless? Secretlondon 18:07, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S look at your emails. G-Man 21:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Boo?

Er, yes. This is how I reply, right? Um...

I knew about the signing thing. It's very confusing to get messages on my place and then come here to reply. Dannyno 15:42, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Counties corporate

The present Counties corporate says that they were considered to be part of their host counties. However this website [1] contradicts that, and says they were considered seperate. I was wondering whether you knew any more about this. G-Man 13:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Membership removal

User:MONGO removed your membership from Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for encyclopedic merit. If you object to this, I'd recommend you make some hay about it on his or the project's talk page.

[edit] Bizarre VFD

Odd. How, then, did it wind up on Aug. 26th's VFD log? Tomer TALK 08:23, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we should just merge it with and redirect to chimera or some more appropriate article in Category:Legendary creatures or Category:Fictional species? Tomer TALK 08:35, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] moving

Moved, but electricity won't be till tomorow :( and internet won't be till sept 13th) so I'm not sure wether I'll be online at the same time as you in the near future :). Henna 12:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Open Championship

It may seem a bit pedantic, but I don’t think that it is. In an encyclopaedia we should aim for accuracy and identify erroneous use. The four majors are correctly called “The Open Championship”; the “US Open”; the “Masters” and the “US PGA Championship”. It is as incorrect to call “The Open” the “British Open” as it would be to call the “Masters” the “US Masters”. However it is true that many (in the United States in particular) do refer to “The Open” as the “British Open” and we should acknowledge that reality in the Wiki entry, - but we must also point out that such usage is incorrect. PaddyBriggs 07:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting your maps

I just wanted to let you know that I have listed 10 maps that you have created Image:Lithuania Siauliai.png, Image:Lithuania Alytus.png, Image:Lithuania Marijampole.png, Image:Lithuania Panevezys.png, Image:Lithuania Kaunas.png, Image:Lithuania Klaipeda.png, Image:Lithuania Taurage.png, Image:Lithuania Telsiai.png, Image:Lithuania Utena.png, Image:Lithuania Vilnius.png for deletion because they are outdated (they do not represent changes by 2000 Municipalities Reform Act). Also they are replaced by maps by User:Knutux. However, I also want to thank you for creating these maps when nobody cared! Renata3 18:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map request

Hi. Your user page says that you have retired from map-making; but I wonder if you could recommend somebody else to make maps for the River Stour River Avon and River Ouse articles, showing the relative positions of the various UK rivers of those names. Such maps would be very useful. Thanks. Doops | talk 19:21, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Asking for support

Hello, since you are interested in maps I thought hat you might support our letter to Centre for Cartography, Vilnius University. We are asking to release their maps found at www.balticdata.info under GFDL licence so they could be used in articles about Lithuania. So far we got 14 people to "sign" it. The draft in very very rough English is available at user:Renata3/letter. If you decide to support it, I'll need just your first and last names together with your user name. You can leave it on my talk page or send it via email: just attact @gmail.com to my user name. (isn't funny - first I delete your maps and then I ask for your support:) Renata3 22:21, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] England-geo-stub

Hi Morwen - could I ask you to hold off changing UK-geo-stubs to England-geo-stubs for a while? There are two reasons: firstly, we're trying to tally up what is in the two categories at the moment, and it becomes dficult when large numbers of articles start moving from one to the other, and secondly - and more importantly - a lot of the England geography stubs are being split into separate counties at the moment anyway. If you wait a week or two there will be far fewer stubs to move into the other category, so it will save you a lot of work! (If you're interested in stub work, by the way, we'd love to see you over at WP:WSS!) Grutness...wha? 14:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments on the project - actually come to think of it ISTR seeing you over there a couple of times (proposing splitting structure stubs?). I think the categorisation works better because we try to keep a fairly tight control on it, rather than having anyone who wants to create new categories when they want. That doesn't always work, of course, but at least we try. By the way, it'll be OK to start moving things across to the England category again in about a week's time - there should be new categories by then for Gloucestershire, Merseyside, Sussex, and Shropshire, too (new ones are being broken off when there are over 100 stubs, and all four of those counties look like they're at or very close to that). Grutness...wha? 14:42, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Regions would make sense. Trouble is, there are quite a number of different ways England is split into regions, and they all overlap quite badly. It would almost certainly end up in confusion, with some people using one system and others using another (it's hard enough to keep Africa-geo-stubs in the right categories, and there are far fewer of them and only five regions). I think eventually almost all of england's counties are going to end up with separate stubs anyway - most of them have over 60 stubs already, and some people seem to be going through gazeteers making stubs on every tiny village they can find. Grutness...wha? 14:49, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bandon

Thanks for spotting that. I thought I'd matched all the variant borough names. I am currently working on a complete set of county maps showing the boroughs of the Unreformed Parliament. I'm not sure yet whether I will put them here or at my own website. But I found this beautiful set of maps you may not have seen. Adam 01:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Looes

Well, Looe may be one town now, but it obviously wasn't in the past. I therefore created East Looe and West Looe. Although these articles don't have much information in them now, they could have in future. I think as a matter of principle each parliamentary borough ought to have its own article, and that Unreformed House of Commons should link to them, not to an article about the modern merged town. Adam 09:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup

Heya,

Just a quick note to remind you of the London Meetup this coming Sunday (the 11th of September) that you signed up for (as 'probable', so hopefully it's just a small push to get you to 'definite' ;-)). It's at the Archery Tavern, just next to Lancaster Gate tube station, from 13:00 (BST) onwards.

Looking forward to seeing you there.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 14:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Absent?

Apparently you have a little more internet access than your user page suggests :) Thank you for your work tidying my articles on stations on the Midland Main Line. Warofdreams 16:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Morwen is a fat, ugly lesbian who should be put in prison for vandalism on Wikipedia. Discuss

[[Anti-Morwen League--82.110.217.226 08:38, 9 September 2005 (UTC)]]


Knowing that Morwen is a fat ugly lesbian improves my opinion of her immensely. Adam 09:05, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Well you're a fat cunt too; so fuck you!

I suggest that you read Wikipedia policy (Wikipedia:No personal attacks). Maybe you should be put in prison for violating Wikipedia policy. REX 10:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Information about this Vandal can be found at 82.110.217.226. With my compliments, REX 12:37, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Leicestershire-geo-stub

Sorry to break into this charming discussion, but I've been keeping track of the English counties and was going to propose a further split in a few days anyway (Wiltshire in particular looks likely). I'll check Leicestershire - if it's grown as you suggest, it would make sense to split it at the same time. Grutness...wha? 05:51, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi again Morwen - just thought you'd like to know that {{Leicestershire-geo-stub}} is up and running (as are {{Lancashire-geo-stub}} and {{Manchester-geo-stub}}). Grutness...wha? 10:41, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ifd

Just to let you know that I have put an image you originally uploaded on IFD. Its Image:Brick Lane.jpg, a PA photo used with permission. I have replaced all usages with Image:Brick Lane 2005.jpg on Commons with free license. Justinc 13:44, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Cornish people

Hi Morwen, could you please help me on Talk:Cornish people#POV. GrandfatherJoe 15:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Monmouthshire

I'm not sure what you're asking me. The Monmouth area passed from Welsh to Norman rule in the 12th century and was part of the Welsh Marches, ruled by various barons in the King's name, until 1536, when it was formed into the County of Monmouthshire. It was always an English county, and in that capacity it began to send members to Parliament. I have changed the statement about the number of English counties represented in the Unreformed Commons back from 39 to the 40 that I originally stated, since that was the number from the 16th century until 1832 and for some time after that. Adam 10:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

OK I understand now what you are saying. I have amended the paragraph accordingly. Incidentally I am going to rewrite the article on the 1832 Reform Act some time soon. Perhaps we can create a complete History of the British Parliament series of linked articles. Adam 11:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Multi-licensing maps

Greetings -- I've asked you twice before but have yet to receive an answer, so here goes again. Pretty pretty please with sugar on top, would it be possible for you to multi-license your maps as Creative Commons CC by-sa v1.0, so they can be used on Wikitravel? Jpatokal 11:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed! {{MultiLicenseWithCC-BySA-Any}} on your home page plus an annotation that this applies to maps/photos/as you wish would do nicely. Jpatokal 11:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for those redirects

Hey there...just wanted to thank you for all the redirects you've made. The "behind the scenes" editing is very much appreciated here. Have an awesome day! --216.191.200.1 14:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Titular county

Hello. I was wary about creating that article as we have so many on the subject of local government. Unfortuantely someone removed the status from the Herefordshire article so I thought it would be best to elaborate by creating that article rather than just insert it back with nothing to support it. I am unsure why Herefordshire is the only UA cited by the directory with this status, nonetheless with the complex pattern of county-level entities it is worth explaining on what basis the UA of Herefordshire is a called a 'county' and Thurrock UA isn't especially as in some contexts they are both described as 'counties'. Mrsteviec 15:37, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. You're right a UA being a ceremonial county is an indicator of it being officially called a county, however I wonder how obvious that is to the reader? That said, that page is never going to grow and could easy be inserted into a really good page about UAs in the UK. In the meantime lets see if we can find anything to confirm/elaborate on the situation. Mrsteviec 15:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Township (England)

Morwen - thanks for your comment: the amendment fits very well indeed. Peter Shearan 16:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New county geo-stubs

Erm... I proposed Staffs and Notts splits at WP:WSS/P today, yes... but there's meant to be a week before they're created. A few days would probably be close enough to allow for debate, but two and a half hours is rushing things a bit! Never mind... I'll put the list of all the geo-stubs I know from those two counties on my stub-splitting page at User:Grutness/Ongoing geo-stub splits. If you feel like moving some of them over, feel free... Grutness...wha? 06:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right - they shouldn't be too controversial (although one of the Canadian ones I proposed at the same time might be). As to combining counties, to an extent I agree - and I actually considered that when we first started splitting the english counties. But amazingly almost all of them have quite a lot of stubs - there are very few that will be likely never to get to at least a lower threshold like 60 stubs (at the moment the cut-off's 80, but I think we can push it down when there are only a handful of counties left). Even Rutland has over 55 stubs. At the moment there are only three counties with under 40 stubs - Bristol, I.o.W. and - of all places - Herefordshire. Bristol's the only one which would have trouble growing past 50 stubs, so that might be worth combining with Gloucs, but the others will probably be OK by themselves. Grutness...wha? 07:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Latimer

I don't know where the reference for the civil parish thing came from, so if you have found evidence to the contrary then amend at will. -- Francs2000 19:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quick request

Hey Morwen, I have a question. Would you mind blocking me for 2 hours? Is that even possible? I need an enforced WikiBreak. Just give me a heads ups. Thanks. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 14:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marshfield, South Gloucestershire

Hi from Adrian. Would you mind reading my comment on the Talk Page for Marshfield, Gloucestershire where I believe that some time ago you may have done a redirect from Marshfield (South Gloucestershire) to Marshfield (Gloucestershire). I believe this title is factually incorrect. I live in South Gloucestershire and would be interested in your justification for the redirect. I put my thoughts quite strongly on that talk page so please don't take offence. Thanks - Adrian Pingstone 09:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply on my Talk Page. I've decided to leave the article titles alone. Nevertheless my imaginary person "the South Glos reader" will definitely not expect to see from the article title that they live in Gloucestershire. In their view, they don't, and will see the article title as an error.
Who are we writing for? Are we writing for ourselves as Wikipedians who (perhaps) understand these subtle distinctions between counties, ceremonial counties and local government areas or the reader who knows perfectly well where they live because it's in their address. Cereremonial counties are not where people regard themselves as living so they won't expect to see that in the article title and they'll see WP as an amateur piece of work.
OK, rant over and subject closed. I'll get back to my usual work on pictures which, very happily, almost never generates such problems. Thanks for listening, Best Wishes, - Adrian Pingstone 14:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Morwen, looking for some advice

Hello. I'm Mr Ed and I'm really quite new here, and I've already got myself into a pickle and need some advice. I've come to you as you have left a few comments on the page I'm about to discuss.

I truly intend to make a good contribution to Wikipedia, but at the moment all my time is being spent on a couple of pages in which I've found inaccuracies; one page having slight inaccuracies and the other glaring.

I've initiated a detailed discussion on the talk page of 'List of English cities by population', but there are a couple of seasoned users who seem to completley disagree with my assertion that the page is innacurate, although I see no evidence that they have taken my remarks into proper consideration. (I really feel in this case that anyone reading my detailed discussion properly would see the truth in that which I am trying to assert).

Yesterday, I gave a lenghty, detailed 'proof' of my case, with references and to wikipedia itself and other sources, and today it seems to have been summarily dismissed. To be honest, my reply today may have come across as more than a little stroppy, which is not the impression I wish to make for myself!

My question is simply this - what should I do now, and/or who should I approach?

If you could give me a little help and point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it :) Likwise, if anyone reading this could give a little advice I would be grateful!

Many thanks, Mr Ed ( Real name David ). Mr ed 16:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beeston!

Loughborough, Beeston, what's the difference? They're all down south ;) Warofdreams talk 11:34, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] About the article "Media and Ethnicity"

I replied to your message in the discussion page of "Media and Ethnicity". See Talk: Media and Ethnicity


RatherfordSkills 18:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation mix-up?

Hello fellow East-Midlander. I think there's been a little mix up with a couple of your disambiguation pages. Kirkby (disambiguation) lists places called Kilby, and Kilby (disambiguation) lists different places called Kilby. --Daniel Lawrence 13:10, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Diwali

Image:Diwali.jpg
Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya ( Lead me from darkness to light.)
Wish you Happy Diwali
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Feel free to send me e-mail.

[edit] Hayfood?

Erm... were you having a bad day when you made this edit? Have a look at the name of the town... :) Grutness...wha? 12:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image licence advice

Hi Morwen, can you advise? I've uploaded a self-created image, and ideally I'd like it to be under a open licence but with a restriction on commercial use. However, I'm very unsure which licence is appropriate for this, if any. It appears that wikipedia doesn't like such restrictions. Can you clarify?

[edit] Cross Country Route (MR)

Morwen, thanks for your edits to this, which are generally helpful. I changed back '2nd class' (because it isn't) to 'Cinderella' because like that lady it's at least the equal of the two ugly sisters (East & West Coast Main Lines) either side which usually get all the attention - but only when it's tidied up. (I dimly recollect that Ivor Warburton used the phrase to me and since he was later 'Fat Controller' for that area it seemed even more appropriate to use it!)

I recognise the phrase puzzles some non-UK people, and sympathise (a bit) - so if you can find a better alternative please try it. Bob aka Linuxlad 20:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

You seem to have somewhat taken amiss my last remark!. I'm quite aware _you_ are not non-UK - but if you read the CCR talk page you will see that the phrase has puzzled _others_ (ie not you) previously. The use of the word Cinderella of course stands entirely apart from any use by IW, (who was later Chair of the ATOC for a while) so a quotation is both inappropraite and irrelevant.(I made the remark 1) to give some background to the then-BR thinking, and 2)... to name-drop, because that's all you're left with at my age (bleat!)) HTH Bob

[edit] List of parish names

You've wikilinked the lot, but I couldn't find an article called Victoria (parish) - should there be one? Josh Parris # 07:02, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Here: User:Morwen/parishnames
Ahhhh, I see. Okay. Danke. Josh Parris # 07:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unparished areas

I've never come across a central list. The only way I could think of to get the information is to work through the Final Reports of the Periodical Electoral Reviews from the Boundary Committee for England - all 352 of them (discounting the City of London and Isles of Scilly)! There's usually a Note to Figure 1, the final recommendation summary. If it's not there, there will be something in section 2 (Current Electoral Arrangements). Start from [2].

There is a spreadsheet of parishes available [3] - (I think you already have that) - if you compare this to ONS coding system you can discover which districts are entirely unparished and reduce the workload a bit. There are no parishes in Greater London, for instance.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.--Keith Edkins 14:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The census might help - [4] then select (say) People and Society / Population and Migration /Key Regeneration Related Statistics / Usual Resident Population (KS01) for Amalgamated Parishes, Select, Next, Download, Next and select Excel format. The spreadsheet you get goes down to parish level (Tab KS01PA_30_5426_4) and there are "Unparished" entries for authorities that have them. Why don't I just tell you the list? (London removed). It's still 207 long so it doesn't really help very much.
Parishes are a dangerously mobile target. Have you seen this list of recent changes [5]?--Keith Edkins 15:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Adur, Ashfield, Ashford, Barnsley, Barrow-in-Furness, Basildon, Basingstoke and Deane, Bassetlaw, Bath and North East Somerset, Bedford, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Birmingham, Blackburn with Darwen, Blackpool, Blyth Valley, Bolton, Boston, Bournemouth, Bradford, Braintree, Brentwood, Brighton and Hove, Bristol City of, Bromsgrove, Broxbourne, Broxtowe, Burnley, Bury, Calderdale, Cambridge, Cannock Chase, Canterbury, Carlisle, Castle Point, Charnwood, Chelmsford, Cheltenham, Chester, Chesterfield, Chester-le-Street, Chorley, Christchurch, Colchester, Copeland, Corby, Coventry, Crawley, Crewe and Nantwich, Dacorum, Darlington, Dartford, Daventry, Derby, Derwentside, Doncaster, Dudley, Durham, Eastbourne, Eastleigh, Eden, Ellesmere Port & Neston, Elmbridge, Epsom and Ewell, Erewash, Exeter, Fareham, Fylde, Gateshead, Gedling, Gloucester, Gosport, Gravesham, Great Yarmouth, Guildford, Halton, Harborough, Harlow, Harrogate, Hart, Hartlepool, Hastings, Havant, Hertsmere, High Peak, Hinckley and Bosworth, Horsham, Hyndburn, Ipswich, Isle of Wight, Kettering, King`s Lynn and West Norfolk, Kingston upon Hull City of, Kirklees, Knowsley, Lancaster, Leeds, Leicester, Lincoln, Liverpool, Luton, Macclesfield, Maidstone, Manchester, Mansfield, Medway, Melton, Middlesbrough, Mole Valley, Newcastle upon Tyne, Newcastle-under-Lyme, North East Lincolnshire, North Hertfordshire, North Lincolnshire, North Tyneside, North West Leicestershire, Northampton, Norwich, Nottingham, Nuneaton and Bedworth, Oadby and Wigston, Oldham, Oxford, Pendle, Peterborough, Plymouth, Poole, Portsmouth, Preston, Reading, Redcar and Cleveland, Redditch, Reigate and Banstead, Restormel, Rochdale, Rossendale, Rother, Rotherham, Rugby, Runnymede, Rushcliffe, Rushmoor, Salford, Salisbury, Sandwell, Scarborough, Sedgemoor, Sefton, Sheffield, Shepway, Shrewsbury and Atcham, Slough, Solihull, South Derbyshire, South Gloucestershire, South Holland, South Kesteven, South Ribble, South Tyneside, Southampton, Southend-on-Sea, Spelthorne, St Albans, St. Helens, Stafford, Stevenage, Stockport, Stockton-on-Tees, Stoke-on-Trent, Sunderland, Surrey Heath, Swale, Swindon, Tameside, Tamworth, Taunton Deane, Tendring, Test Valley, Thanet, Three Rivers, Thurrock, Tonbridge and Malling, Torbay, Trafford, Tunbridge Wells, Wakefield, Walsall, Wansbeck, Warrington, Watford, Waveney, Wear Valley, Wellingborough, Welwyn Hatfield, West Lancashire, Weymouth and Portland, Wigan, Winchester, Windsor and Maidenhead, Wirral, Woking, Wolverhampton, Worcester, Worthing, Wycombe, Wyre, Wyre Forest, York

[edit] Barnstar

[ barnstar moved to User:Morwen ]

Hi Morwen - glad you like it! Whilst I am here - can you tell me where for instance I pick up the 2001 census population for small villages - when I am doing the articles - as I am struggling. cf Farndish, Sywell - when I have guessed and need to put an accurate figure in. Hope you can help! :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 08:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Brilliant - you're a star! :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 08:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorism Bill 2005

This was a redlink when I found it in current events (after your addition) this evening. I've started a stub and will try to build it up. Thoguht you might be interested. --bodnotbod 19:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cuddington

Do keep up the good work adding articles for missing villages. However, I would like to question one edit you made, without getting into an edit war. Cuddington, Cheshire states that there are 2 Cuddingtons in Cheshire. I believe there is in fact one decent sized village called Cuddington, in Vale Royal, Cheshire SJ599716 and a hamlet called Cuddington Heath, near Chester, Cheshire SJ472468.

I propose Cuddington should have links to Cuddington, Buckinghamshire, Cuddington, Cheshire (the village), Cuddington Heath, Cheshire (the hamlet) and Cuddington Heath, Herefordshire. The article Cuddington, Vale Royal could perhaps become a redirect to Cuddington, Cheshire. Additional disambiguation pages (e.g. Cuddington Heath) and See Alsos might also be appropriate? I should probably have written this on one of the articles' talk pages, but you have edited thousands of village articles and nobody else could probably be bothered. Please make the changes described (or suggest I do it!) if you agree, or rebuke me harsly if you disagree. AJP 21:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland-geo-stub

Hi - you wrote: The removal of that proposal was rather premature, wasn't it? Unless you have veto power. Which I don't think you do.

erm... like to explain what you're talking about? The only thing I did with the Ireland-geo-stub split (which i presume you're talking about) is say that - with 65 stubs - there's enough to split Cork as well. Grutness...wha? 23:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
OK - I've found what you were referring to. Weird. Don't know how that happened. Anyway, it's back now, with the comment I added to the proposal attached. Grutness...wha? 23:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Civil parishes

(section title changed to be more generic --Concrete Cowboy 17:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC))

  • Where are you getting all the info on the English Civil parishes? You seem to be flooding them out so fast it must be a good source. (Reply here or on my talk page - your choice) -- SGBailey 15:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • In a similar vein, why do you say that Borough of Milton Keynes is unusual in being fully civil parished? (don't answer if you've updated the CP article - I ought to have looked there first). --Concrete Cowboy 17:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I see what you are doing. I'm not sure that it is a good idea to have Bletchley and Fenny Stratford rather than "Bletchley and Fenny Stratford" - though I suppose we could have Bletchley and Fenny Stratford Parish Council. I can see that you are wikiexpert, so if you want to revert my changes, I won't disagree. --Concrete Cowboy 18:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Test

You wrote: "Can you change your bot or script or self so that it/you alters test to [[Test Cricket|Test]], not [[Test]]? Might as well disambiguate at the same time."

Thanks for your message, Morwen. I completely agree with you, and I plan to do that next. I just decided that it was easier to do the two operations separately. Stephen Turner 11:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bermuda

Image:WikiThanks.png Hi Morwen - thanks for cleaning up those Bermuda parish stubs I made earlier - sorry to have made more work for you! Grutness...wha? 11:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dublin and Cork

Hi again - the Dublin and Cork geo-stubs are both up and running. Grutness...wha? 02:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

You'll be getting sick of hearing from me... just a note that, for the purposes of stub sorting, Gibraltar geography stubs are sorted in with Europe, not British territories. The British territories category is a bit of a fudge, holding those places which don't really fit in by continent (Bermuda, Chagos, Falklands, Tristan da Cunha etc). If there's a geogrpahical category they can fit in, we use that (so the Cayman Islands and Anguilla get Caribbean-geo-stub, Pitcairn gets Oceania-geo-stub etc). Double-stubbing them with BritOT-geo-stub's OK, but since there's a Gibraltar-stub for general articles to do with Gibraltar they tend to get double-stubbed with that instead. Grutness...wha? 07:00, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdom of England Map

I created a new location map for the Kingdom of England page, including Wales, as you rightly point out was a part of the Kingdom prior to the Union. Astrotrain 17:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, I didn't think of that- I just removed the borders (probably easier as the borders of Europe are not exactly static for long periods!) Astrotrain 17:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your help with Billinge. Skull 'n' Femurs 11:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Q: Hi. No worries. I'm not too sure about Billinge Higher End - is that term still used by its residents?
  • A: Hi. I do not know, as I'm from Aspull, so I do not know that level of detail. I was just plugging a hole in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan Links. Skull 'n' Femurs 11:39, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Greek prefectures map

Hi Morwen,

Do you have a copy of Image:GreekPrefecturesNumbered.png without the numbers? -- ChrisO 10:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Sorry to be a pest, but do you also have a copy without the colours? -- ChrisO 22:53, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: map of Scotland

Ta very muchly. I found that some of the Irish county highlights are to roughly the scale I'm working with, so I've recoloured one of those, so I've now got just about everything I need. Chris talk back 17:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hundreds

Thanks for the additions - I've made links to x (hundred) - do you think it would be reasonable to standardise on this, or would x hundred be better? Either way, the variety linked to from List of hundreds in Dorset suggests a need for standardisation. Warofdreams talk 01:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Plus Norfolk and the Welsh counties... thanks for the additions! Warofdreams talk 15:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stroud and Avon

No probs - Stroud District is universally used on council literature and on boundary roadsigns but I suppose the form used in the 1972 act is definitive; I can't find the latter online anywhere but I presume you've seen a copy so I'm happy to defer to your knowledge. On an unrelated note (but which I stumbled across when looking at the article on the act!) the numbered map at Image:EnglandAndWales1974Numbered.png has both Avon and County Durham numbered 3....

Best wishes, Cambyses 13:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] David Orme Masson

Hi, yes its public domain in the US according to [6] - "1923 through 1977 In the public domain in its home country as of 1 January 1996 In the public domain " Astrokey44 13:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] urban areas

Morwen - I have a spreadsheet of the 1991 populations of the urban areas if you want. How do I send it to you?

As regards Merseyside, local sentiment was that Birkenhead was just as much "Liverpool" as Bootle or Huyton. However, the ONS definition of a joint urban area is not based on local ties. It is just a question of looking at satellite photos and identifying areas of continuous urban development with no gap greater than 50m. Other European countries use 200m. What was controversial was that thay are supposed to discount land that cannot be built on when measuring the gap. The Mersey surely comes into that category. IIRC, they also argued that abandoned docks/shipyards on both side of the river totalled more than 50m so even if you dont count the river the gap was still too great. An interesting point - is urban dereliction still urban or not?

Ironically these arguments were turned on their heads last year when the Boundary Commission suggested creating a new constituency crossing the Mersey. Then the locals argued that the river and old docks did constitute an insuperable barrier and that the proposed cross-Mersey seat should be dropped. (It was). Jameswilson 01:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Changed their mind

Thanks for spotting that - yes, they only changed their minds the once. Warofdreams talk 11:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Russian federal subjects

Hi!

Ezhiki and I are currently trying to redo the articles in WikiProject Russian federal subjects a bit. We could use your help with creating less ugly maps; this one, which was made by you and slightly modified by Cantus, seems to be one of the best around. Could you help us with a few other maps? Please join the talk here. Thanks! ナイトスタリオン ✉ 15:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced

I had only planned to go through the top 1000 most-linked articles looking for those without references. I'm already through the first 900. There has been talk of having NullC make a bot to put this template in the rest of the articles without sources, though, so only time will tell. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:41

[edit] Why did you delete my page?

Why did you delete my page KristyGomez and Kristy Monique Gomez?

[edit] Warwickshire map

Hello there Morwen, I have made an updated version of my map of Warwickshire, in which I have attempted to show the areas which were taken from other counties. See here Image:Warwickshiremap 700.jpg.

I dont know if this is the best way to do it, so I wondered if you had any suggestions or comments. G-Man 23:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of maps by Office of National Statistics

Morven,

I will post a copy of the e-mail from Alistair Dent from the Office of National Statistics.

Hi, I work in the Office for National Statistics (in England). I have been working on a map (attached below) to include in one of our paper publications, which will be covered by Crown Copyright. The map shows geographic boundaries applicable to the 1901 Census.

Information on the following Wikipedia pages was used to help draw the map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_counties_of_England#Map_1890-1965

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_counties_of_Wales

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_counties_of_Scotland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Ireland#Map

Specifically, the images on these pages were used to help draw a few small parts of the map (because information could not be found readily elsewhere).The images have not however been directly reproduced in our map/article. The images appear to be covered by the GNU Free Documentation License (and do not include a request for cover text).

Because the images or text from Wikipedia have not been directly reproduced, can I assume that the published map need not make reference to the GFDL ? Do I need to take any special steps because 'Crown copyright is incompatible with the GFDL' ? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights)

I would be grateful for any advice that you have. Regards, Alistair (Mapping Services Manager).

I have a PDF of the map attached to the e-mail which I can forward to you if you'd like to have a look. Please drop me another note advising of your e-mail.

Well done for your hard work. Capitalistroadster 00:36, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for Banbury Rural District

Hello, good work on Banbury Rural District, and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Banbury Rural District? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or there are several different citation methods list at WP:CITET. Thanks! — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-4 20:05

[edit] Lots of disambig links at User:Morwen/parish summary

Greetings. I noticed that User:Morwen/parish summary has quite a few links to disambig pages. Pages like this tend to crowd the "What links here" results that we use at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links to correct errant links from articles. It's not a big deal in this case, but I'm sure you were thinking of the places in the actual articles as opposed to the disambig pages. Cheers! BD2412 T 04:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kings Hill, Rultand

Hi Morwen. This is the story I have on Kings Hill. There is a farmhouse, wherein I grew up, called Beaumont Chase, near Uppingham. I was told by my parents that it was at one point a royal hunting lodge of some sort. This would be plausible given its style of construction and obvious age. The hill it overlooks is known on local maps as Kings Hill. They also said that the farmhouse, its associated bungalow, and a small area of land nearby were a seperate parish. This too is not implausible, as the royal family presumably had a say in parish designations in days past.

If it is a parish, it could hardly fail to be the smallest in population: there are at most five people living in it. I have no idea what the land area would be, but it's not big. The stongest external corroboration I have for this is that we were once featured on BBC's Countryfile program for precisely the reasons I've described. I've always presumed the BBC wouldn't show unsubstantiated bollocks, although maybe I should have learned that's wrong by now. Still, it's the best I have.

I live in the US now, so I'm not in a position to chase down primary evidence, but I'll email my Dad and see if he can add anything to this. Next time I'm in the UK, I'll see if I can find anything out. I've seen in passing old (1930's) maps that were annexes to the farm deeds - maybe they'd have information on them. Or maybe this whole thing is a huge local legend.

You can find the place in question on maps.google.com by searching for "LE15 9HJ, England". Follow Stockerston Road west until you see an unnamed access road jutting north. At the end of this drive is the farmhouse; the bungalow is by the road.

Bruce 05:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Morwen! I'll try and flesh out the Beaumont Chase article when I get a chance. Bruce 17:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] St. John Lateran

Hiya K! You might not have noticed but the St. John Lateran is located at the Italian version of its name, thanks to a four person vote in April, even though English speakers worldwide (except in the US) don't use the Italian version of the name. I've proposed a vote to move the page back to its original location. It is at Talk:Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano. Please drop in and vote. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 05:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parishes (esp: Ashwellthorpe and Fundenhall)

Hi Morwen.

Thanks for digging out the list of changes to Parishes. I guess it obvious if you think of the total number of parishes, but I was quite surprised at the amount of changes. I will cross-refer your list in future when adding/editing articles at this level.

With specific regard to Ashwellthorpe and Fundenhall, I'm pondering whether we should still merge the two articles (Ashwellthorpe and Ashwellthorpe and Fundenhall). I'm torn two ways; perhaps Ahwellthorpe as a village deserves its own article; on the other hand the two articles seem very overlapping and I suspect that there is not a huge lot more to write about either.

So I think my inclination is to merge the two articles at Ashwellthorpe and Fundenhall. With redirects on both Ashwellthorpe and Fundenhall. What do you think?. -- Chris j wood 11:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I hadn't seen your insane parish page. :-). From this I'm guessing you are going through English parishes more or less in alpha sequence; that sounds like a mighty big task. I havn't done much work on villages/parishes recently, although over a year back I did do a tranche in east Wiltshire and West Berkshire. I got distracted by other life forces at that stage and didn't finish, but I did get a flavour of how big a task it was. In fact these were some of my first Wikipedia articles and I did things I wouldn't do now; I really ought to go back and tidy them up one of these days.
The work you spotted resulted from me spotting that there was published information on parish sizes and populations for Norfolk (something that doesn't seem to exist for most places; unless you know better). I thought this would be a good starting point for articles; they are partly generated but manually inserted and completed. Again I suspect a task that will take a long while to complete.
One question. I notice you are also adding [[place, county]] redirects even where [[place]] is unambiguous. That is not something I've considered doing; do you mind me asking why. -- Chris j wood 12:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] actually...

this one was partially correct (see the relavant talk page about another user with a similar username). Take care. +MATIA ☎ 13:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Local Government Act 1888

Thanks for compliments. Had a *lot* of trouble with formatting the tables but getting there.
Do I have access to a copy of the Act? In my local library - I took notes. I have notes for the LGA Act 1894 which I must dust off..

[edit] Excellent maps! But what about Isles of Wight, Scilly and the Shetlands?

Hey Morwen! I'm greatly impressed with all your map creations. But I have noticed that some England and UK maps omit the Isles of Wight and of Scilly and same-wise that some Scotland and UK maps do not show the Shetlands and sometimes not the Orkneys either. By the way how do you make the maps? I want to become like you! Except that I'll inlcude the islands... ;] --Big Adamsky 15:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Local Government Acts

Lieutenancies? I didn't notice, but it was a lengthy Act, and I was just jotting down the bits I was interested in. Also I get writer's cramp quickly!
No, it doesn't define the Administrative Counties in any detail - it doesn't even give a list! It simply assumes the reader knows what counties there are.
Part II of the Act deals with "Application of the Act to Boroughs, The Metropolis, and certain Special Counties." The interesting sections being:
31. Each of the boroughs named in the Third Schedule to become a County Borough. "provided that for all other purposes a county borough shall continue to be part of the county (if any) in which it is situate at the passimg of this Act".
40.(1) The Metropolis shall, on after the appointed day, be an administrative county for the purposes of this Act by the name of the administrative county of London. 40. (2) Such portion of the administrative county of London as forms part of the counties of Middlesex, Surrey, and Kent, shall on and after the appointed day be severed from those counties, and form a seperate county for all non-administrative purposes by the name of the county of London.
(The Act doesn't define the Metropolis, either)

46. (1) (a.) The ridings of Yorkshire and the divisions of Lincolnshire shall respectively be seperate administrative counties.
46. (1) (b.) The eastern and western divisions of Sussex, under the County of Sussex Act, 1865, and the eastern and western divisions of Suffolk, shall respectively be seperate administrative counties for the purposes of this Act.
46. (1) (c.) The Isle of Ely, and the residue of the county of Cambridge shall be respectively seperate administrative counties for the purposes of this Act, and are in this Act referred to as divisions of the county of Cambridge.
46. (1) (d.) The Soke of Peterborough, and the residue of the county of Northampton shall be respectively seperate administrative counties for the purposes of this Act, and are in this Act referred to as divisions of the county of Northampton.

Part III of the Act dealt with boundaries.
Article 50. The first council elected would be for the county at large as at parliamentary elections, except the county is divided, then they would follow the county rate divisions. Also contained the rule where cross- county Urban Sanitary Districts were to be assigned to the county in which most of their population resided. Finally it noted that the wapentake of the Ainsty of York was part of the west riding.

If/when I get time I should be able to dig out a copy of the Scottish Act. I'll also check the Lieutenantcies bit. Could be a while tho'.

I didn't find that section about ancient counties, and I was looking, but it was also getting close to closing time at the Library! Ishall go through it again when I have more time..
OK I'm gonna try and sign this ;-) Lozleader 16:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Huddersfield

Morwen Hi, I've just spotted the editing and reversions on the Huddersfield Page. I have put the breakdown for the Original Huddersfield District Area in so that this may stop people getting mixed up between the Areas of Kirklees, and just the sub district of Huddersfield without the surrounding Villages & Hamlets which make up the town as a whole. Richard Harvey 23:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Morwen, Good evening fellow addict. It's no problem for me! I just thought it may make make things a bit more understandable for those who do not live in the area. I do, so I am aware that there is a lot of local interest in the population size just now, due to some NHS problems with closing down the local Hospital. Is there any problem with showing the figures I put up, which i got from the Kirklees Council website tonight? Richard Harvey 00:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Just what I needed; a repeat trawl through a local council website! Try this Kirklees 2001 Census - Key Statistics pdf document:-

[7] - look at page 2 the column marked 2001 population: All people. As the population will have grown since then the figures are probably higher now, but I'm not an expert in that field. I hope this helps! Richard Harvey 00:24, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Your replying faster than I can type! Must be the beer? There is a separate article covering Kirklees so Perhaps just leaving at the 'Original Huddersfield District' would be better, with the link to the pdf file.Richard Harvey 00:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The original Huddersfield was what was originally the Huddersfield & District Council, after the electoral boundary changes several years back the name of 'Kirklees' was raised to cover the new area for the 'Metropolitan District Council' these are the local wards split into the two former districts of 'Huddersfield' and 'Dewsbury' :- Huddersfield District Census 2001

Almondbury - 12,841 Birkby - 15,093 Colne Valley West - 13,540 Crosland Moor - 15,694 Dalton - 15,924 Deighton - 12,890 Denby Dale - 18,014 Golcar - 16,912 Holme Valley North - 15,891 Holme Valley South - 17,247 Kirkburton - 16,773 Lindley - 16,367 Newsome - 13,950 Paddock - 14,875

Total = 216,011 This is classed as South Kirklees


Batley East 18,805 Batley West 18,910 Birstall & Birkenshaw 17,312 Cleckheaton 14,937 Dewsbury East 15,816 Dewsbury West 18,767 Heckmondwike 17,943 Mirfield 15,712 Spen 16,342 Thornhill 18,012

Total = 172,556 This is classed as North Kirklees

Total for All Kirklees = 388,567

You will see lower down the Huddersfield Article that districts are being added as time goes on. Richard Harvey 00:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Hmm I'm a fair bit older than 1972 vintage! I think the problem here is that West Yorkshire is a county which was reduced in size during the boundary changes, whilst South Yorkshire was created new, taking part of West Yorkshire into it, along with part of East Yorkshire. North Yorkshire also took a Fair chunk out of West Yorkshire as well. Some of it has even been given to Lancashire. West Yorkshire was once the biggest County in the Country. The urban districts marked on your list are what are know as parish councils. Here people living in those areas paid their taxes to Huddersfield council with an extra precept to the local parish council on top. But the locals here have always classed Huddersfield and District to be a seperate entity and still refer to it as such. Most wish Kirklees would dissapear down a drain. So how do we go about putting up the population without upsetting someone. I think we can see people still change things regardless of what is put up.

I also have access to ancient (1952) scrolls which show Huddersfield & Dewsbury, to be County Borough Councils. The documents I mention are ones giving the freedom of the towns and Boroughs to the Duke of Wellington's Regiment. Now I must go get some shut eye. I have to be up in 3 hours time. Richard Harvey 00:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

    • Hm well? it is a very old hat and as I said I'm not an expert in local council or electoral Boundary rules or census's. Re: Parish Council precepts; I lived in Holmfirth and distinctly remember having to pay an increased tax to Huddersfield County Council, part of which went to the local Parish Council, my cousin lived in Meltham and did the same. The precepts still continue today, See the current info in the valuation bands & parish Precept rates: [8]. I have always considered Huddersfield a rural community, less than 1 mile from the town centre the fields are full of cattle. Possibly why it got it's nickname 'Udders-Field'.

As you appear to be more up-to-date and knowledgable on this matter I will leave it up to you to decide how to put the population info on the article. Possibly updating the Kirklees article at the same time. As I am mainly involved with another website I prefer to keep my wiki input to images and small info items, though I would be grateful if you could advise on the page how Huddersfield stands in the list of non city status areas. Coffee break over & back to the grindstone time; VMT. Richard Harvey 11:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bassetlaw

Are you going to write an article on every hundred in England? If not, creating a dead link is pretty pointless. Adam 10:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Hello. Category:Orphaned fairuse images - Have a look here. There are some images of defunct civic arms for historic districts they are about to delete you may want to add some of them articles you have created/edited. All the best. Mrsteviec 17:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Weak Atheism?

  •  :( Reading weak atheism made my head hurt ;) Talk Image: Masonic_Skull_n_Femurs_little.PNG Skull 'n' Femurs 04:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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