Talk:Morse v. Frederick

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[edit] Inaccurate analysis of the 9th circuit ruling

The section on the 9th circuit ruling is incorrect when it states: "ruling that the incident did not take place during any school-related activity and punishment therefore violated his First Amendment rights."

In fact, the 9th circuit ruled that this was a school related event. Contrary to popular preception, this fact does not automatically mean that Frederick loses the case. The 9th circuit simply used student speech cases such as Tinker to decide if Fredericks speech was protected. Here is a quote from the 9th circuit opinion supporting this:

"Even though supervision of most students was minimal or nonexistent, the school could have supervised them more if it chose to, as it did with the gym class and perhaps the pep band and cheerleaders. Frederick was a student, and school was in session."

-I fixed it

[edit] case name?

What is the official case name? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 06:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Morse and the Juneau School Board et al. v. Frederick 71.228.27.6 15:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The official case name is Juneau School Board v. Fredrick 06-278, according to AP news via Yahoo.com 209.193.40.223 10:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused; I thought cases were always of the format "Plaintiff v. Defendant". Why isn't it Frederick v. Morse? —Angr 19:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You should change it then. see google SqueakBox 19:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Given Google I have changed the name, SqueakBox 19:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It's been changed back. http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/JuneauSchoolBoardCertPetitionFINAL20060828.pdf gives it as "JUNEAU SCHOOL BOARD; DEBORAH MORSE, Petitioners, v. JOSEPH FREDERICK, Respondent." —Angr 21:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

When cases are appealed, the names of the Plaintiff and Defendant often switch. Hashbrowncipher 05:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

When a case comes before the Supreme Court, the first party in the case name is always the party that lost in the lower court (state supreme court or federal court of appeals, usually), and the second party is the party that won in the lower court. Many American courts have abandoned this format to avoid precisely the confusion that's going on here. ---Axios023 05:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising

I don't think that the bonghits4jesus.com link should be in the references section; all it does is link to a cafepress page with 'Bong hits 4 Jesus' T-shirts on. The link is not informative in any way. I'm going to remove it. 82.35.16.220 09:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

The article, as of 12/3/06, has several inaccuracies. 1) Joseph Frederick was an adult at the time, 18 years old; 2) the relay event was not school sponsored, it was sponsored by the Coca-Cola company and the only contribution of the school district was that students were allowed to leave classes to watch; and 3) the relay event did not take place in a school parking lot, but on a public street. All these facts come from the official court record and are not controverted. D.K. Mertz, attorney for Joseph Frederick.

The relay was coke sponsored, but the school viewing was a school event, coke had nothing to do with it. The viewing was thew school parkinglot, not the street. I was there for the whole thing, got out of my history class for it -Mask 03:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
How was it a school event if it was across a public street? Maybe the students from the school were in the school's parking lot but it's understood that the event happened across the street? --Nutschig 23:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The CS Monitor says the Fredericks (father and son) are in "exile" teaching English in East Asia. Anybody know which country? Taiwan, Korea, or Japan? GeorgeS
A quote from an article on ABC.com (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2953653&page=2):
"I never professed to be a saint," Frederick, now 23 and teaching English in China, told reporters at an ACLU teleconference.
That's all I know. 68.9.204.119 18:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does it mean?

What does 'Bong hits 4 Jesus' mean? Presumably humorous, but anyone able to explain it? Ben Finn 23:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

  • According to the respondant, he saw the slogan on a snowboard and thought it would be a funny joke. I'm assuming you know what a bong is, so you can probably see that there's really no purpose to it. Firestorm 23:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arguing for Morse?

Should the article bring up that Kenneth Starr is arguing for Morse (and thus tighter controls on free speech)? Gary Seven 06:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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