Talk:Mormon pioneers

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[edit] To-do list

Realizing that I am nowhere near being an expert on this subject, which has so much information that could be added, I am leaving this request here for a bit of organization so that a To Do list can be made. Here is what I have in mind:

  • A discussion of handcarts versus wagons
  • Writings on each party or perhaps just a list
  • "This is the right place" needs to be in here somewhere
  • I think adding personal accounts would be a nice touch
  • Information about locations and events along the mormon trail would be a good thing, although it would likely fit better at mormon trail

I will address this at Wikipedia:Latter_Day_Saint_Collaboration_of_the_fortnight, as a candidate the colaboration (so perhaps it will be noticed in five years).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.187.180.214 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 4 February 2005.

I have a few requests of my own:

--Lethargy 23:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

I added a link to BYU's "Overland Trail" collection, which contains diaries of the Mormon Pioneers. I also did some editing. Billlund 04:34, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rename Article

As we are not defining a Mormon Pioneer but talking about the composition and movement of the Mormon Pioneers, I would like to see the article renamed/moved. Opinions? WBardwin 07:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it is fine just the way it is. I see little point in making more than one article on the subject. I think the redirect does the job just fine. Isaac Crumm 12:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
a "move" does not create another article -- all this article's history moves as well. In effect, this page would become the redirect and all existing material would be found on the current redirect page. I just think the title should match our topic sentence. WBardwin 18:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with renaming/moving. The title should be "Pioneers" (plural). BRMo 21:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree as well. The plural s is also used for Mormon handcart pioneers, so why not here? Also, does the Pioneer need to be capitalized? --Lethargy 21:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
No, Mormon pioneers would be best for Wiki standards, I'm sure. Should we have a formal vote or just make the change? WBardwin 22:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem particularly controversial, but we need to have an admin move it. We could just copy and paste this into the redirect page but we should have an admin move it instead so we can maintain the edit history. --Lethargy 23:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vanguard Company of 1847

I have created a rough section with the above title, and have more material. Vanguard company is a common description in church materials, but other titles have been used. Is this the best one for this article? Other suggestions? Comments welcome. WBardwin 08:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe in current (meaning these days) church articles it is frequently called the Brigham Young Company; but Vanguard Company is not a bad name, other than it has similarities to an investment firm. Isaac Crumm 12:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goal: featured status by July of 2007

BRMo, with a little help from others, managed to get Mormon handcart pioneers featured in time for the 150th anniversary. Let's see if we can pull that off again with this article, with a goal of sometime before July 24, 2007, so it can be featured on the front page for Pioneer Day. --Lethargy 23:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Mormon pioneers

It would be great to have this article featured on the front page for Pioneer Day in 2007, the 160th anniversary of the first company's entry into the Salt Lake Valley.
(vote or comment)

Support:

  1. Lethargy 23:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  2. Tom Stringham 05:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. uriah923(talk) 06:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


Comments:

[edit] A discussion of the Ship Brooklyn

The opening paragraph of this article excludes other types of Mormon pioneers: I wonder if it would be appropriate to include some discussion of the Ship Brooklyn that carried a number of Mormon pioneers on a dangerous six month voyage from New York City to San Francisco around Cape Horn, stopping in Hawaii and then landing in what is today the San Francisco Bay? It's a fascinating, often forgotten part of Mormon Pioneer history and the subject, I feel, deserves it's own entry. Mention of it here may inspire someone to start that article.

Nhansen 17:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that sounds like a great idea. Please add it! uriah923(talk) 15:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Added. Nhansen 16:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mexican-American War of 1846-48

I have long been intrigued by the irony of the Mormons taking refuge around the Great Salt Lake beginning in the mid 1840's only to find that this geography soon became territory possessed by the United States. The pioneers continued to flow despite defeat of Mexico in 1848, & despite a settlement of the war involving ceding & purchasing of the Great Basin soon after 1848. Thus, I feel the Mexican-American War, & the territorial aftermaths thereof, should be addressed by, at least, a brief & succinct passage in any treatment of Mormon migration to the Great Basin. Shall I contribute?

DPWKBW = David Parker West 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Another good idea. Please contribute! uriah923(talk) 15:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes and References

I added the wikipedia "automated" notes and references section to the article. I think it would be good to go back through and assign the references listed in the original "references" section to the proper place in the article. Thoughts? Nhansen 02:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

A great idea, of course. By the way, thank you for your contributions on the Ship Brooklyn. uriah923(talk) 20:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
My pleasure. Do we know who crafted the bulk of the Vanguard 1847 section? That seems to be the section to figure out the references for. Nhansen 21:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I've found two cited sources and edited them so that they are in-text citations. If this is ever going to reach featured article status, we'll need to work on assigning the other 5. Nhansen 02:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, so much for that. User:BRMo reverted my in-text citation edit. Not sure we'll ever move forward on this. Nhansen 14:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry - I didn't delete the in-text citations you added, but I did restore the references in the Reference section. Not trying to get into an edit war or anything, but I find that in articles with a lot of in-line citations, it's helpful to also include a list of the major references in alphabetical order in the References section. It also allows you to use abbreviated citations for the in-line citations. See Mormon handcart pioneers (a featured article) for an example of what I'm talking about. BRMo 17:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
No worries at all :) And I agree with you that it is more helpful with the alphabetical reference listing. Nhansen 20:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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