User talk:Monotonehell

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[edit] Re: Hi

My apologies. I put the suggestion down, and then AFTER I had submitted it, only did I get the "probably shouldn't be here" box. I got a phone call, which has taken me until now to sort out, and have come back to it now. I've just moved it into the correct place (or will do once I finish typing here.) Rgds Ade1982 13:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, like I said (or was trying to say), the box saying "what you are trying to do is probably in the wrong place" didn't appear until after it had been submitted. I've tried two browsers - Mozilla Firefox 2.0 beta, and Mozilla Firefox 1.5.6, running on Windows Vista build 5472 and then on Mandrake 10.1. Same error occurs on both. Ade1982 14:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Main Page > Discussion > Edit this Page > typed the thing, signed it > Save Page button > Suggestion is committed and the message in red is displayed. Interesting to note, is that even just going onto the discussion page of the main page displays the message.

[edit] You can have that page

Seeing as all of my attempts at improving the AoC page are being reverted, belittled and insulted by you, I have decided to let you have it. Even sourced statements are being deleted or claimed out of context. There is nothing I can do to help the article under these conditions; you may as well lock it and edit it all by yourself.

Yes well, I've thought long and hard as how to respond to this, but I don't know how to respond to dummy spits other to reitterate that and actions on my part are not motivated by me being on a particular "side" of any debate. But concerned with keeping WP encyclopedic. Part of that is not to present one sided opinion. If you look at my recent edits to that page you will see that I have removed blatant soapboxing from the exact opposite point of view that you seemed to be supporting. You must have noticed that I never deleted any of your edits, when there was a problem I moved the section to the talk page for discussion. I never insulted nor belittled any of your edits. I simply pointed out their problems.
If being a "leftist" is attempting to present a balanced view without bias then YES I am a lefty. Better that than thinly veiled attempts at pushing an agenda though misrepresenting quotes from newspaper articles. I take comfort that I've been alternately called a leftist and a rightist, I guess that means that I am walking the unbiased line down the middle. Why you've not established an account, or never sign your posts, so you can properly engage in wikipedia is also an annoyance and a mystery. I encourage you to investigate the art of critical thought, your own bias and then register an account and join in with creating an encyclopiedia, instead of pushing your opinion. --Monotonehell 04:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

lol it was just the first entry I found on newpages patrol. Graham talk 12:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a to an

Heh

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Thankies

Reedy Boy 18:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ITN

Hey there, Monotonehell. Thought I'd give you a heads up about this straw poll which concerns a possible name change for "In the news." Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. The Tom 00:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Levity-bearer

Thanks for your injection of levity into the current Main Page Discussion debate! I was thinking it needed something like that myself. Figma 21:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a note

Just a note that WP:PAW exists as a resource for level-headed editors who are willing and able to edit articles in this particularly difficult subject. Herostratus 15:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

So noted, not sure that I want to sign up to any responsibilty at this point. At the moment WP is something I contribute to in order to clear my head inbetween work and uni. I guess I've been skirting around AoC reform simply because of the main-article template on the AoC article which I've been trying to shape toward GA status. Bit of an uphill battle with all the hysteria surounding the topic as well as the lack of non-POV literature that can be sourced.

And thanks for the homophone correction on my user page. I'm good with grammar but my spelling is lack lustre. ;) --Monotonehell 03:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, you're thanked for any contributions you want to make. Natrually there are no responsibilities, just whatever you want, if anything. I don't think any participants in WP:PAW work mostly in that area, it's too much like work... :/ Herostratus 04:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] main page footer

Well, I'm hoping that because people know to go to the bottom of the talk page to leave a message, they'll notice that while they're down there. It's more likely to be noticed than the current block of links near the top of the page. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-08-17 16:12

  • Clearly the solution is to use giant blinking links, and if Mediawiki adds support, a smack upside the head. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-08-17 16:28

[edit] Main Talk page

Nice work. Piet 11:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki(d ad)versity

Lol who'd a thunk rounded corners would cause such a stink? You're quite right, rounded corners are not W3C, are browser specific and should never be used. "They look fine in my browser" is the height of selfishness. I'd say 20% of my development time is devoted to cross browser compatability (which equates to making sure IE doesn't fsck things up). The result is hate non-standard browsers. grrr. --Monotonehell 07:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

What fascinates me most is the widespread belief that whatever works in Firefox is fine (despite the fact that IE still has a majority of the browser market). Many people are either ignorant of IE's shortcomings or believe that IE users deserve to be punished. (This isn't an assumption or exaggeration; people have actually told me that IE users deserve to be punished.)
In this case, however, it's the Mozilla browsers that contain a terrible implementation of nonstandard code.
It's amusing to think back to when IE was the new browser with the nonstandard features that didn't work in Netscape. Of course, static backgrounds (the most common example that comes to mind) weren't nearly as objectionable as these blasted rounded corners. —David Levy 11:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re The World of Normal Boys

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this, Monotonehell. I did see that User:DanielCD was working on it, and since I know he's an excellent editor I hoped it would get sorted out. Did it? Herostratus 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main page article count

. *sigh* the "discussion" has degenerated into an emotional argument again. I fear that the topic of the article count will never see a reasoned discussion. People seem to fear debate. They seem to prefer plebicites, democracies are no way to run a project. I think that perhaps the main page needs to be "run" by a committee with a binding outcome. That way the committee can hear people's opinions, debate amongst itself and come to a conclusion free of all the screaming matches. Politics... bleh --Monotonehell 04:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Part of me wishes that Jimbo would step in and unilaterally settle this once and for all. —David Levy 04:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Too many people of late are forming ranks and not being open minded about things. I (try to) approach any idea with an open mind, weigh up the concequences and talk about it before firmly coming to a conclusion. Too many of these arguments are turning into "Team politics". This is no way to run an encyclopedia. --Monotonehell 04:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, it's quite disheartening. Many people seem more interested in exploiting the system to get what they want than they are in engaging in productive discourse. —David Levy 04:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You may be right

I don't usually go in for personal attacks, I know it's wrong. But me and other have become entirely exasperated by debating this guy, who means well, but he is just too obscurations to bother responding the same points over and over. I just felt that I needed to make him know that I knew what his plan was and express that I felt that further argument was not going anywhere and that ultimately there would have to be a focused public discussion and a poll. I hope that you agree on this point, I know "polls are evil" and "not a democracy" etc, but this was settled by a poll 5 months ago in which 1000 people voted, and any editions/omissions to/from that settled main page need this. juicifer 13:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sidebar redesign final vote!

It's that special, special time! No, grandma's not coming over. No, not time to clean out the fridge. It's sidebar redesign voting time! Yes, the community has narrowed it down to 3 different options, and a vote for the same old original sidebar is a choice one could vote for as well. Voting for multiple options is allowed, and discussion on the whole shebang is right there on the vote page itself.

You're probably getting this message because the sidebar fairy (JoeSmack for now) noticed you commented on the project at some time over on at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign. Lovely. JoeSmack Talk 07:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I hear you!

Well said. Well said. --Rednblu 07:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nepal

I started a Featured article review for Nepal. You may be interested in commenting. You may also want to look at what is being considered a peer review of the article. --Descendall 06:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age of consent

Yes, maybe, but it should be worded something like: "... x and y court ruled ... ... setting an important precedent in Canada" Rather than giving an opinion on the probabilities. Deet 01:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page Talk

Please remember that WP:BEANS isn't policy, only an essay of thought - they weren't exactly telling people intimate secrets or how to crash WP - it was a pretty legit discussion. Plus your reverting was a bit messy, you also removed some content that wasn't part of the discussion you were trying to get rid of. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 21:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that second revert seems alright. I'll leave you alone now. ;) —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 10:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World attention

Mr. Monotoneell,

Regarding the AOC in India. I agree that there is no legislation statement made, only Interpol. If I get a verified source from THE government of Inda you must change the graphic. Agreed?

Please see my responce on the Age of consent discussion page. --Monotonehell 01:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ITN reform

Hey David, do you think we'll come to any kind of constructive outcome with regards to ITN Guidelines this time? I instigated it, but don't hold much hope, lol. --Monotonehell 16:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

It's too soon to judge whether this will lead to clear consensus, a fruitless shouting match, or something in between. Only time will tell.  :) —David Levy 16:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Monotonehell. ITN indeed needs a little fixing. Just wanna leave you a note before I disappear (real life getting in the way again ...) to wish you good luck on this endeavour. And thank you for being funny on Talk:MainPage. May your mousepad stay flat. Happy 2007. Take care. --PFHLai 20:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, in the words of The Terminator, I'll be back.... but with a new ISP and a new address. Take care. --PFHLai 20:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

Yes, you're right; I'll do that next time. It's just that last time there was a huge penis in an article (the AOTD by the way), no one could find the template it was in. It took 15 minutes to be removed. I thought that was going to happen on the main page too, but it was removed quite quickly. Next time I'll not make too much of a fuss. :-) | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 11:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I receieved the message as well and I'd like to agree with you and thank you for passing the message on. Mrmaroon25 17:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your "don't encourage the vandals" message

Re: Your "don't encourage the vandals" message

I wasn't all up in arms about it. My primary concern was implementing a feature that users could click to alert an admin. With that feature, instead of "it will be noticed by an admin within minutes" it could be "an admin will be alerted within seconds". Crimson117 21:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I said it was funny. thuglastalk|edits 20:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ages of consent in North America

I wasn't sure if you'd noticed the response I posted, but I'd invite you to continue our dialogue on my talk page. --Ssbohio 15:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ITN - how about...

the pic you mentioned

I was thinking about something along those lines, but it seems like a bit of a stretch (in terms of relevance and linguistic elegance). I don't feel comfortable performing such an edit without clear consensus, but feel free to discuss this on the talk page. —David Levy 05:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually I'm tempted to leave Pelosi's portrait on all year just to annoy the whiners ;) --Monotonehell 05:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
In all fairness, I'm a Democrat, and even I'm sick of that image. :) —David Levy 05:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ages of consent in Australia and Oceania

Your explanation of inline citations is sufficient, and if that's the way this family of articles is operating, then you can ignore my request for footnotes. I'll allow your revert to stand unchallenged. I guess a rather large list of footnotes would develop by using the referencing system I suggested earlier.

I'm happy to re-assess the article to a B. My original assessment was on the basis of no attempt having been made at a reference system using footnotes, however since you've explained, I've raised the grade. It's possibly even a Good Article, however their standards are high, and using inline references alone may or may not suit their tastes. Nice article by the way; very informative. -- Longhair\talk 11:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I may have misjudged the article. My apologies for that. Perhaps a link to the consensus mentioned on the talk page is required so that others can verify the prior agreements made. I couldn't locate any archives upon my visit. -- Longhair\talk 11:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My comments

I've made a few comments on the Main Page move discussion. Since you appear to be one of the ones most involved in sumarassing, just wanted to let you know that you should feel free to move or remove them as you feel is necessary 203.109.240.93 14:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page, again

While it is good to empirically determine the value of certain essays, this sort of dirties up Wikipedia's second welcoming mat. I hope that it won't be there for long (maximum, half a week to a week?)

Also... I don't see why form should be valued over function in this case, as you seem to have communicated in this edit. Just because something's tricky doesn't mean that it shouldn't be implemented... if that's what you were getting at (?). Plus, ILIKEIT. GracenotesT § 06:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You can see what I did at User:Gracenotes/Sandbox; feel free to make adjustments. This works on 800x600 and higher, as well as both Internet Explorer and Firefox (the only two browsers I have on my computer). Better a small box than nothing at all, I guess. GracenotesT § 05:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Just to give you the heads up, I plan on adding the TOC back soon if you have no qualms or suggestions... it looks okay, but it won't extend forever. Thanks for your input. GracenotesT § 22:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: WP:NOT

I read the clause differently. To me, an article that is "historically significant" is one about an event or topic that history will judge to be significant, not one that is about history.

My interpretation of the intent of the clause was to ask us to consider the reader 10 or 20 or 50 years in the future and to try to distinguish between articles that readers will agree were significant from articles that are about transient and ultimately trivial topics.

I agree with your goal that users should add "David Beckham move to Los Angeles Galaxy" to the "David Beckham" article instead of creating a newspaper-like "article". Those topics are much better covered in WikiNews. But some events shouldn't even be in the main article. For example, if the local Hillside Mall hosts a walk-for-breast-cancer, that might make the local news but it's hardly unique and has no lasting social importance as a stand-alone event. Even though it might be theoretically verifiable, it would be inappropriate to add such a mention to the Hillside Mall article.

I think both aspects of the clause are important. Is there better wording that conveys both senses of what we're trying to say? Rossami (talk) 15:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't. I really think that "historical significance" will be universally understood to be "significant from the perspective of history". I agree that "historically significant" ought to be the same as "encyclopedic" but the very existence of WP:NOT shows that too many people still don't understand what "encyclopedic" means. But maybe we should take the question to the article's Talk page. Let's see how others interpret the phrase. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ITN

Thanks for your responses, which have been clear and well reasoned. For your sustained work in keeping ITN well maintained I'm giving you a barnstar!

The Original Barnstar
For keeping ITN well maintained, and doing so with patience and grace.

[edit] Thanks

WikiThanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. Silly vandals. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, also: "They sing choruses in public. That's mad enough, I think." —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On smack

Thanks. Yes, problem identified as a WP:AWB stangeness, probably bugfixed now. However I'm avoiding "general fixes" at the moment for other less weird reasons. Rich Farmbrough 12:18 19 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Amiga / Andy Warhol

I was looking at it from the point of view of multimedia is general, not specifically computer-based multimedia. There have been plenty of multimedia theatre and opera performances. I guess it's more the wording, rather than the claim: something like "he was the author of the first computer-based multimedia opera...". Operas that use projections and other media have been around for a while (can't think of an example at the moment though...). In any case, I'm not opposed to reverting it, but maybe something a bit more clear? Freshacconci 17:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re PAW user box

Nah, probably not. Herostratus 16:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] off topic

Hi there I've restored some 'off topic' deletions you made. These articles are ones where I maintain quality and have contributed ~80% + of the content. The singers and/or film directors etc. are relevant to the topics in my opinion and make the articles more encyclopaedic. Tony 15:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Tony

Hi: naturally I disagree with your response, but let's put it to the vote. See articles talk pages. Tony 15:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Tony

[edit] The house... votes

I'd use caution when using that analogy in regards to British topics. I'm not flawless on my British English grammar, but when seemingly singular objects refer to multiple subjects, there is a difference between American (The team was) and British English (The team were). But apparently, this isn't an issue in regards to the British House of Commons (see this). -- tariqabjotu 04:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Main Page

Just wanted to let you know that I don't think the bot was/is offline. It last archived at 19:35, 21 March 2007 (my time) and you archived at 00:13, 22 March 2007. The bot operates on a 24 hour cycle and removes stuff without discussions newer then 3 days. You probably got confused because the cricket thing was sticking around, but this was because people like me were still saying things (somewhat OT). There's no problem tho and it was probably best to get rid of that cricket thing. Just thought I'd let you know. Also, I did move the archived stuff to 94 as I think the way the bot operates is it has a variable telling it what archive it's using. Therefore it would likely still be using 94 and so newer stuff would still be going to 94. The limit before it moves to the next archive is 125k which in retrospect is probably higher then necessary Nil Einne 13:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ITN discusion

Yes, I have to admit I agree that, if your going to create an article, be prepared to bring it up to at least B-class, especially minor current events. That's why I like to pick two or three to focus on, and develop them to high quality articles, rather than racing to create all possible articles. Perhaps a new guidline on this is in order? (Wikipedia:Only start articles you intend to work on or genuinely believe others will?) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess thats pretty reasonable ;-) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Woolmer murder

Well, if you are loosing so much sleep over quality, then why dont you remove the info about his death from the main page,except, say, 3 sentences about known facts. There is already a link at the top of the death-section to the death page.

If you cannot stand the duplication then put the death-info that is on the main page, on the death-page. then delete that death-info from the main page, except a few sentences of concrete facts. the existance of a "poor quality" section on a page doesn't really warrant the removal of another page. My focus is on keeping the death-page upto date and comprehendable. Tri400 17:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article protection

Hi there. I saw you just added the sprotected2 template to Death of Bob Woolmer. Have you requested protection for the page? Only admins can protect the page; the template only notifies users that it is protected. Leave a note at WP:RFPP. Regards, Flyguy649talkcontribs 21:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enjoy!

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Trampton 03:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Woolmer...

Hi there. Thanks for closing the merge proposal. I was going to do it, but you got there first. And you'd think we were suggesting deleting all mention of Bob's death the way some people responded (and continue to respond). As you and I and some others have said, we'll revisit in some time. Maybe by then the Death article will need to be kept. I think there'll have to be a lot of new information first, though. Cheers, Flyguy649talkcontribs 03:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you if it was you

I am not sure whether it was you who removed that strange and totally unsourced claim that a few weeks ago, appeared at the end of the article Ageing, on traditional usages of gold in India, but thank you if you did do that. ACEOREVIVED 19:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC) Thank you for your message of 31 March. Good to see some one both reads Wikipedia messages and tidies up articles! ACEOREVIVED 08:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M/S_Sea_Diamond

I hade some storyline info chopped as obsolete, regarding ship's stabilisation. that was older news that got overran by the facts (aka she sank eventually). Also, how can everybody be out safe and still there are casualties!?.

Then I saw them restored. please accept my request to you to restore the error.(sinking)

Thanks!

Thanks for the clarification of my casualties text! I am not Ph.D in English, but I feel I can still offer, having people like you by my side to fix my errors! Thanks again. Makrisj 19:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


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