Talk:Montreal Metro

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Removal date: 25 February 2007

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[edit] 1 2 4 and 5

Are the lines really numbered 1, 2, 4, and 5? (I can't find any numbers on the Metro map, but that seems counterintuitive.) Vicki Rosenzweig 20:40, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I don't know if those numbers are official anymore. They were removed from maps in the mid-1990s, when the STM finally abandoned its plan to build a line 3 running north from Pie-IX. - Efghij 23:55, Aug 29, 2003 (UTC)

The numbers are still official, though usually coupled with the colour (the STM often talks about "ligne 1-verte," for example). However, the lack of a line 3 has nothing to do with the proposed Pie-IX metro. See http://www.metrodemontreal.com/faq/history.html#line3 for the amazing explanation. - Montréalais 03:53, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I think they are still official, when I ride the orange line to Berri-UQAM for example on the TV thing it says Ligne 1 - Verte Ligne, Ligne 4 Jaune then it names busses, the point is the TV still used the ligne numbers.

The numbers are definitely still official. Just look here : [1] Saintamh 19:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Can someone show me an English version of the above external link?? Georgia guy 22:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

There you go : [2] Saintamh 14:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automated? Drivers?

I was surprised to read that the Montreal metro uses automated control, because by my recollection the front car always contained a driver. I don't doubt that it's automatic, but why is there a driver when, for instance, the Vancouver SkyTrain has none? — mendel ☎ 02:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

These people are called operators — "opérateurs de métro". My understanding is that they oversee the operations, and are there in case of emergency. They also work the doors.There used to be two — one at each end of the train — but the second operator position was eliminated, much to the operators' chagrin. At the termini of the lines, you can watch the manoeuvres as the operators change. That being said, no doubt someone else has more information on their role. — Grstain 15:25, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Trains with no drivers in other cities spend longer periods of time at each station as the train's supervisor (remotely at a control center) must take the time to carefully verify that the doors are clear. An unsupervised automatic system is even slower. Train operators on the Montreal Metro open and close the doors, start the train and supervise the operation of the train. Operators are required in order to maintain the highest levels of train efficiency, quickly opening and closing the doors since trains typically spend no more than 8-15 seconds at each stop. They also drive the train in manual mode if a more aggressive performance is required, such as when a train is running late and the best performance program (called the Strenuous Run Mode) of the automatic train control computer is not sufficient in keeping the train on time. The automatic train control computer itself is fairly intelligent and quite refined in providing a comfortable ride. If you have travelled on the transit systems of other cities, you would find that the Montreal Metro is among the fastest in terms of delivering you to your destination and among the most efficient in rapid transit capacity. — Abbott 15:25, January 13, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guimard entrance in Mexico

"This is the only authentic Guimard entrance in use outside Paris.", this statement is false. Read this : Metro Bellas Artes

Actually, it is true. Perhaps the Metro Bellas Artes article should be clarified to avoid this problem (I have found another website with the incorrect information. It's source? Wikipedia). The Guimard entrance to Square-Victoria in Montréal is an actual, authentic entrance, the only one outside Paris. Made in about 1900, it was donated by the RATP to Montréal in 1966 to celebrate the collaboration of engineers in both countries to create the Montréal Métro. It was installed in 1967, the 100th anniversity of Guimard's birth. Beginning in 2001 the STM, RATP, and the QIM (Quartier International de Montréal) worked to restore the entrance to its present state. In fact, the lamps on the original Montréal entrance were the only remaining Guimard glass lamp globes in the entire world (in paris the originals were long since replaced). The STM gave one back to the RATP and the other to the Montréal Museum of Fine Arts. The RATP recently gave three reproductions (using original molds) of Guimard's entrances as part of a cultural exchange program to Lisbon (Picoas station), Chicago (on one of its metra stations), and México (Bellas Artes). Markmtl 22:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dates and distances

I find the "dates and distances" table rather obtrusive -- shouldn't it be moved to its own page? (I'm a Wikipedia newbie, BTW, so feel free to flame me if I just said something stupid) Saintamh 15:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Station infoboxes

I've been working on a standard infobox for Metro stations. Some stations already had infoboxes, and I have converted these to a standard template. But many stations do not have infoboxes, nor pictures to go in them.

If anyone is interested in helping complete this (small) project, please check out Template_talk:Monteal_station_box to see what stations still need help.

Jamie 12:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

OK. I've finished building all the infoboxes. But some stations are really bare stubs, perhaps someone who uses them regularly could help fill them in. Also these infoboxes look much better with (300px) pictures in them; I've added a few of my own, but still most station pages lack them. Jamie 02:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 394 million people ?

I just removed a sentence that was added to the introductory paragraph and which stated that "394 million people use the metro system every year". This means over 1 million people everyday, and I find that hard to believe. MetroDeMontreal.com states there are over 700,000 per day, and that makes more sense to me.

Perhaps 70.81.177.216 could cite his/her sources ?

Salutations,
Saintamh 18:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The source of 394 million is from here (http://www.stm.info/English/a-bienvenue.htm) but I think that includes busses maybe?, although seems kind of low for busses and metro, but a little high for just the metro.

[edit] Voice

Does anyone know who voices the announcements at each stop indicating what station you're at? It's quite a pleasant voice, I'm curious as to who it is and how that particular voice was chosen.

Surprisingly enough, that's an FAQ [3] Saintamh 14:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Status

Hi. I was using this article as a comparison for another transit system article that was up for GA status, and I noticed that it doesn't have any inline citations. Under the current good article criteria, they're now required, and articles that lack them are being delisted.

This article is very well done, and I'd really like to see it remain a GA. If it's possible, could editors who know the subject matter add them so that this article maintains its status and doesn't come under GA review for delisting? --- The Bethling ^(Talk) 20:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure of its status, the article seems to have a somewhat informal tone, and the only main reference is from a single PDF which, although is indeed a very good looking source, is not in a neutral tone, and there are many parts of the article which seem affected by that. For instance, "The city badly needed a transportation system....", large numbers of "therefore's" and "nonetheless's", a section titled "fast, efficient, powerful trains" and an unsually precise level of detail in said section with low wikilink density, and looking at the one PDF, while I agree it is a very compleate looking reference, having an article this long rely on but a single PDF may be causing it to miss something important, and we'd never know that. The pictures are nice though. Homestarmy 18:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metro History Edit...

I've taken out this sentence: "On September 13, 2006, the Green Line was shut down from Lionel-Groulx to McGill stations because of a shooting at Dawson College, near Atwater station (see Dawson College shooting)."

It has nothing to do on this page, and refers only to the dawson shooting for, at best, a tactless gratuitous reminder. The Metro is regularly shut down on all or some of the lines for various reasons, including maintenance, suicides and terror alerts. Had the shootings occured in the metro, the sentence would have been relevant to its history, just as a terrorist attack would have...

[edit] Train Dimensions

I'm looking for the dimension of the metro, if anyone has ever come across these in their research. Nothing too specific, just about how wide, tall and long each car is. If I remember correctly, there are 12 trains connected on each line except the blue, which has 8 (recently upgraded from 6). Can anyone help me out with this, then we could add it to the article.JeffyP 07:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I was never able to find this information, has anyone had any luck?JeffyP 09:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations

Members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles are in the process of doing a re-review of current Good Article listings to ensure compliance with the standards of the Good Article Criteria. (Discussion of the changes and re-review can be found here). A significant change to the GA criteria is the mandatory use of some sort of in-line citation (In accordance to WP:CITE) to be used in order for an article to pass the verification and reference criteria. Currently this article does not include in-line citations. It is recommended that the article's editors take a look at the inclusion of in-line citations as well as how the article stacks up against the rest of the Good Article criteria. GA reviewers will give you at least a week's time from the date of this notice to work on the in-line citations before doing a full re-review and deciding if the article still merits being considered a Good Article or would need to be de-listed. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us on the Good Article project talk page or you may contact me personally. On behalf of the Good Articles Project, I want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into working on this article and improving the overall quality of the Wikipedia project. LuciferMorgan 00:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image in Montreal Metro

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Entrance to the Square-Victoria metro station. A visual reference to the Paris Métro.

Can someone fix this? Peter Horn 00:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I just fixed it by replacing it with [[Image:Montrea-Square Victoria Metro Station-Metropolitain-01.png]]. --Kyoko 00:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Peter Horn 16:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delisted GA

I have removed GA status from this article due to the lack of inline citations. Please cite sources using either footnotes or harvard referencing. Feel free to submit this to WP:GAN again once this is done. Thanks — Selmo ^(talk) 23:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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