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[edit] 1999 bombings

According to the BBC article cited in this article targets in Montenegro were bombed by NATO during the Kosovo war. But what kind of targets were they if they were only barracks and other infrastructure of the federal military was targeted and local infrastructure was left intact it should be mentioned. I remember that NATO in some ways respected Montenegro autonomy from Serbia. Mieciu K 21:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of Crna Gora

It says that "Crna Gora" litterally means "black mountain." I think "Montenegro" in Italian would mean that, but in Serbian, Black Mountain would be "Crna planina." What? The RSJ ¿Qué? 23:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Either one [1]. Maybe I should raise my babel userbox or you should decrease yours? ;) // Laughing Man 00:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
"Gora" can actually mean either forest or mountain. Example: Biogradska Gora, means Biograd Forest and the mountain between Serbia and Macedonia, Crna Gora, means Black Mountain
Montenegro was named for the black forests of Mount Lovćen and probably the mountain of Lovćen itself. This is according to historical accounts. Crna Gora 02:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks... The RSJ ¿Qué? 02:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Another question, on the website of the Montenegro Gov't, I keep on seeing the translation "Republike Crne Gore" instead of Crne Gora.[2] Which one is more correct? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It is conjugated for adjective/subject agreement, as is often the case with Slavic languages. Chris 01:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Bond

"Recognition in popular culture following independence has been swift, with Montenegro providing a setting for the James Bond film Casino Royale (2006 film), the location of the titular casino (relocated from the fictional French town of the novel, Casino Royale)."

This is wrong. Not one scene was shot in Montenegro. It is Karlsbad in Czech republic what is presented as Montenegro.
December 06, Sjenica Martin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjenica (talk • contribs) 20:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC).

Wrong, Sjenica. Karlsbad provided the setting for the casino itself, but most of scenes that take place in Montenegro were shot there. This is often the case in movie industry. Eg, Dr Zhivago was shot in Madrid, not in Russia, etc. It would probably be too expensive to film those scenes in an actual MN resort, such as Sveti Stefan. Karlsbad place wasn't used for decades. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.240.0.99 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
More importantly, The article currently reads "provides a setting", not a filming location. The passage as it currently stands does not refer to the location in which filming actually took place. --207.13.210.202 20:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)--207.13.210.202 20:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Agenda

The end of the Economy section mentions "The Agenda". Creepy name aside, can someone please write about it (or remove it)? --207.13.210.202 20:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "The Agenda"

The comprehensive plan by the Montenegran Government to "explode tourism"-- location-based plan focused on constructing touristic centers around already existing sites of interest-- domestic spending gets limited to site/"main street" upkeep-- attracts foreign investors with thematic tie-ins for hotels, restaurants, etc.-- Major Weaknesses: Montenegran government employs a few professional psychologists to explore thematic ties to sites/events for wider appeal (for instance the oro dance can be adapted thematically to a number of interests), however the psychologists are primarily of Italian origin & thus may not address non-european psychology. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.188.77.47 (talk) 17:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Capital

There's English version of constitution on official government website (DOC file), which states:

Article 7.
THE CAPITAL CITY AND ADMINISTRATIVE CENTRE
The administrative centre of Montenegro shall be Podgorica.
The capital city of Montenegro shall be Cetinje.

It is similar to Netherlands case, where Amsterdam is a capital officially (location of Queen), but government are situated in Hague. Read: Cetinje is a location of President, Podgorica is a location of Parliament and Government. I believe this should be listed like other countries with multiple capitols.

-- Serguei Trouchelle 01:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Wrong! The capital is Podgorica as it has always been since July 13, 1946. The seat of government, parliament, AND PRESIDENT is in Podgorica. Cetinje is only the seat of the Kingdom of Montenegro in exile. And besides, only capital cities have embassies, and Podgorica has them and do you see any in Cetinje, no. Besides, no one in Montenegro nor in the world say that Cetinje is the capital of Montenenegro, but instead, they say it is Podgorica. And also, that consitution was adopted in 1992, very outdated, and a new one is due next year. --Crna Gora 01:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually many embassies in Israel are in Tel Aviv or other major cities and not in Jerusalem, because some countries don't recognize Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem.--Carabinieri 19:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Wrong you are:
  1. President's residence is definitely in Cetinje. I've seen it with my own eyes, and you can google to see its pictures, for example, on President's website. I placed one to Cetinje's page.
  2. About embassies: I've talked about Netherlands, for example US embassy is located in Hague, and Hague is NOT a capital.
  3. About constitution: outdated or not, it is active now, and Wikipedia should contain actual data, not forthcoming.
  4. About forthcoming constitution: it's draft lists TWO capitals, and Montenegrin as official language, and Cetinje is defined as a seat of President. But you cannot use this anyway, because it's a draft and not an active document. -- Serguei Trouchelle 22:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The answer to your debate is simple, the Capital city is where the parliment sits. It is always the centre of government and politicsl The government's website information is contradictory leading to this confusion here. The location of embassies is not an argument but does lend minor support to Crna Gora's view. Also the President can be located outside the capital. Also the need to update the consitution is no argument. This is only definition and that is where the Parliment sits and thats Podgoria. Buffadren 17:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
This debate is absurd, we don't need people to teach us what city is the capital of our country. A few embassies and a President's residence don't make Cetinje a capital. Cetinje is the old royal capital, Podgorica is the capital of Montenegro. End of disscussion. Cheers! Sideshow Bob 18:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
No, they're right, Sideshow Bob! Montenegro indeed has two Capitals, as pointed out at every single one of its official websites. --PaxEquilibrium 21:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we insert this -'Montenegro has two capital cities, Its de-facto, parlimentary capital and largest city is Podgorica, while Cetinje is designated as Prijestonica -the old royal capital and is also the residence of the President . Buffadren 13:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Current version is acceptable and accurate. I reckon there is no need for further discussion on this issue. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 20:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US state of Maine adopts country

The Maine national guard recently adopted this country, not much info has been released yet. Anyone have any luck finding any? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.222.228.117 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Yea, sure. This is untrue information. Stop your vandalism. --Crna Gora 01:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Adopted huh? :) Maybe this is what you were talking about? Anyway, I don't see how this is relevant for the article. Sideshow Bob 02:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Would'nt you think this would be more relevant in the Military of Montenegro article? --Crna Gora 02:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Thats exacxtly where to put it, if anywhere Buffadren 09:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section Location Maps for European countries had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed soon at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish two things: Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 19 Feb 2007 00:36 (UTC)

[edit] The links have been suggested for trimming

The External links need trimming back. Those interested cast suggestions Buffadren 13:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highest Peak

I watched documentary about Prokletije on Montenegrin national television claiming that there are several peaks higher than Bobotov kuk and that they are shared with Albania. This article however claims Bobotov kuk as highest point of Montenegro. Luka Jačov 12:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You might have a point: http://www.komovi.cg.yu/crna_gora/index.htm says that Bjelić (2,524) and Kolac (2,528) are a couple of meters higher... also, here. Duja► 12:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Luka, you are absolutely correct. There is one peak in the Prokletije call Maja e Roşit (or Rošit in Montenegrin) that is 2 metres higher than Bobotov Kuk. However, Duja, I can't seem to find Bjelić or Kolac by the Prokletije region in my geographical map of Montenegro. I will look a little deeper into this subject. --Crna Gora 21:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, never mind. According to one of Duja's citations, Bjelić is Maja e Roşit (or what I thought was Rošit). For Kolac, however, I'm still trying to find. I've checked all three maps I have of Montenegro and they proved inconclusive. However, I'll still keep looking. However, I suggest changing the highest peak of Montenegro to Bjelić (Maja e Roşit), for now, until I find proof of any mountain by the name of Kolac in Prokletije. Or, we could just keep the current highest peak and just mention that there are 2 that exceed its height. Opinions? Comments? --Crna Gora 21:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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