Talk:Monique Alexander

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2005-07-18. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Comment 2 Removed unsourced information 3 Spider's Web appearance 4 Regarding edit by JRMAN 5 Wording of article

[edit] Comment

The new photo is certainly provocative, but might need to be trimmed to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines. ?

I agree that the new image is more than is needed for WP's uses. In the next week, I can try to expand the article and find a more suitable bio pic. Olessi 17:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Additional sources: [1], [2]. Olessi 19:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

• I prefer the Resident Sex pic for the lead - it looks more typical of this actress, and shows both body and face. BD2412 T 22:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree. With several other actress articles, I have looked through their DVD covers to find a clear picture of their head, and then edited the image with photoshop to just show the face. I did not find any clear pictures of this actress, which is why I stuck with just uploading the new DVD covers. Olessi 23:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed unsourced information

The following information was not cited as per WP policy. A verifiable source needs to be included for this content:

Monique has honored herself, her body, and her fans by allowing her perfect all-natural body to be tattooed. She had had a small star tattooed on her foot some time ago, but she has recently added two significantly larger tattoos. These tattoos are both cartoon kitties--one on the back of her neck, and the other on the lower left side of her belly.

>>Can you say 'obsessed fan'? That paragraph was obviously typed with one hand.

Obviously, if the information cannot be cited appropriately then it cannot be added into this entry. If there are any questions, you are free to bring them up to me or anyone else of your choosing. Thank you. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 09:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've provided photographic proof of my claim. I'm sure these photos have no copyright, but I don't know how to assert that on Wikipedia so they won't be deleted in a week's time. Anybody care to correct my work to make it more permanent?

• How, exactly, can you be sure the photos have no copyright? Whoever took them has a right to them, even if they are mundane. Where did you find them? BD2412 T 01:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• By the way, a verifiable source need not be actual photos - a link to a website where the tats are visible would do. BD2412 T 01:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I provided the URL's when I uploaded these photos--I urge you to go check it out!

Having done so, I am completely unconvinced that these are actually images of Monique Alexander. For one thing, I can not find a single picture or series of pictures that are identifiably her, and which feature these tattoos. BD2412 T 05:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

A myspace website - which could belong to anyone - is simply not convincing. There's no way to tell that's Monique from those pics, and there are no pics clearly showing her with any tats. I've removed the info again for now. BD2412 T 06:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I have placed a few "citations needed" in this article. Every alteration I have ever made to this article has been correct and factual, yet numerous users here are intent on attacking my contributions, and altering or removing them until I prove them true--and they have all been proven true, I might add. Some of you have finally admitted this and extensively reworked my contributions after you found out I was right. Rather than vandalize my contributions, why don't you check it out first? I don't understand why I am being singled out, and I don't appreciate it. I insist on the same standard for everyone else here too--but rather than vandalize, I merely inserted a "citation needed". I question especially the assertion made about a film entitled "Lexie and Monique Love Evan". As Lexie Marie is no longer with Vivid, this seems unlikely to me, unless Vivid has left it in the can for a very long time (which I admit they sometimes do). I am wondering if the contributor is not mistakenly trying to cite "Lexie and Monique Love Rocco", with Rocco Siffredi, instead. And as for the person who cut down my list of Monique's filmography, I have a question for you. On what basis did you choose the titles you let remain? If you cannot provide some rational basis for cutting it down to those particular titles (and just saying "it was too long" is not a rationale), then leave the damn thing alone! GnatsFriend

• Unfortunately, "too long" is a valid statement. If you look at the Filmographies section of the WikiProject Porn stars, it clearly states: "Filmographies are to be limited to six films at most" (emphasis mine). As there is no indication that any of the additional films mentioned qualify for the criteria for "additional listings", I randomly pulled films out until I hit the magic number of six. If you wish to change which films are present on the list, or provide valid reasons for adding films over and above the 6 film mark, be my guest. Tabercil 13:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Kudos to those who re-created this page mere days after it was deleted! I was one of the original creators of the Monique Alexander wiki page, and after enjoying seeing it get built up by others over time, it was most disturbing to see it removed by an editor. Beware, there is a Wikipedia editor out there (I forget the name) who likes deleting adult film stars' Wikipedia pages! According to him, there were too many that fell into the "not notable enough in their field" category.

Sadly, the whole thing happened in my absence, and by the time I checked on the page, it had been deleted with only a few trace references as to when and why.

Anyway, good luck with the renewed effort! I never really shepherded the page to begin with, so I leave it in your capable hands... Woodson 05:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

TO MOOSEBOY AND OTHER'S KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ON THE MONIQUE ALEXANDER' PAGE .SHE IS ONE OF THE HOTTEST PORNSTARS TODAY! DO NOT LET EDITORS DELETE THIS PAGE OR OTHER PORNSTARS PAGES. IT CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH.JRMAN. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JRMAN (talk • contribs) 04:05, January 14, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spider's Web appearance

I've been removing the statement about her appearance in Spider's Web because it's a rather minimal appearance. If you look at the IMDB listing for the movie - which is here - you'll see that Monique does not appear in the initial listing of who was in the cast. You have to click on "More" to see the extended cast & crew to find Monique's name. Tabercil 05:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edit by JRMAN

I've removed the following edit made by JRMAN regarding her alleged 8 February 2007 show at the Las Vegas Spearmint Rhino:

Her first show is FEB 8th,2007 at Spearmintrhino Downtown LA.

As well as the following cite:

[4] STRIP LAS VEGAS MAGANIZE,LINKS TO SPEARMINTRHINO FEATURE DANCERS DATES.john toth 23:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Here are the reasons:

1. The magazine was not properly cited. The page number, issue number, or publication date is not included.
2. The current feature schedule does not list Ms. Alexander, running contrary to the claim above, unless JRMAN has another link to provide. (Either way, the "LINKS TO SPEARMINTRHINO FEATURE DANCERS DATES" are not provided in the form of an URL.) -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 02:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Update: From my user talk page: Monique was going to dance at the Spearmintrhino on Feb.8th,2007.Website says also schedule can change.Which it did checked with SPEARMINTRHINO .COM AND CALLED NUMBER (213)629-9213, MONIQUE HAD TO RESCHEDULE THAT DATE.thank you ,JRMAN. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 03:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wording of article

I have reverted a number of edits by User:Joie de Vivre. These edits seem to part of an ongoing personal campaign to expunge language that in the opinion of the user is racist, sexist, or "heteronormative". In the process, some very clunky language was introduced, plus language that is very specific to describing porn was needlessly expunged. The adjective "lesbian" has a very clear meaning of sex between two women and need not be replaced by "sex between women". The term "interracial" has a very specific meaning in porn and should be retained. (Yes, the very existence of such a category in porn is controversial and offensive to many, but it exists as a genre and should be reported.) Iamcuriousblue 17:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

My edits included changing "In 2004 Alexander became a contract girl for Vivid Entertainment" to "In 2004 Alexander became a contracted worker for Vivid Entertainment." Another was changing "The first time she did interracial was with Mr. Marcus" to "The first scene in which she had sex with a black man was with Mr. Marcus." I don't see how editing such terms as "contract girl" and "did interracial" constitutes bowdlerism, as Iamcuriousblue's original title of this section said. Reverted; this is absurd. Joie de Vivre 18:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Your reverts are absurd! The terms "interracial" and "contract girl" have very specific meanings in the porn industry. If you're going to work on articles on porn actors or the porn industry, I would suggest you learn a thing or two about that topic and the language used to describe it. Iamcuriousblue 18:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

We are under no obligation to kowtow to the porn industry's curious use of the English language. "She became a contracted worker" and "she had sex with a black man" are neutral descriptions. "She became a contract girl" and "she did interracial" are not. Joie de Vivre 18:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

This is completely absurd. You don't like the terminology of pornography, so you replace it with terminology of your own invention? The only reason I'm not reverting your edits is to avoid being in violation of the three-revert rule. However, I am going to seek arbitration on this issue, since I'm sick of petty edit wars with you based on your absolutist stance on your own personal linguistic issues. Iamcuriousblue 18:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Go right ahead. If you really think the phrase "she did interracial", without any explanation or qualification, upholds WP:NPOV, I'd be interested to hear your arguments. Joie de Vivre 18:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)