Talk:Money and the ethnic vote
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Parizeau's statement was a correct analysis, anybody that can't see that are Bigots. Canada doesn't work.
Jacques Lariviere
- I wouldn't say that they are bigots. Rather, that they were fooled by all the English media that do everything they can to portray Quebec nationalists as a bunch of evil nazis. As if they had any lessons to receive from the imperialists who built the Canadian nation. If all you had read all your life was Ontario's opinion of Quebec, and you knew nothing or very little of Quebec's history, you too would probably fall victim of this propaganda. The sponsorship scandal, which should really be called the anti-Quebec propaganda scandal, only reveals a small amount of the insane efforts done by Ottawa and the Liberal Party to undermine everything that Quebecers are doing to dig themselves out of the hole they were pushed into in 1840. Mathieugp 14:22, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It's a ruse, Mathieu. keep the English and French suspicious of each other and you can keep the people divided forever. There are a lot of people in both English and French Canada whose very good livelihoods depend on keeping English and French at each other's throats.
As for the English media portraying Quebec nationalists as evil nazis, the Quebec press is hardly guiltless. Remember how English journalists were supposed to be inciting the Mohawks at Oka? And Eric Lindros, for the love of all that's holy, was portrayed in the Quebec press as a hero to English Canada for defying the Nordiques (I read it in Le Journal de Montréal). I can assure you that wasn't true.
And here's my advice about how Quebec can obtain sovereignty – propose something practical. THat most likely means something gradual. Certainly many people outside Quebec support greater provincial powers. And more could be made of Jacques Parizeau's argument that the current arrangements frustrate both Canadian and Quebec nationalism. Speaking of insanity, hoping to survive success on a vote on a vaguely worded question by spending $17 billion to support Quebec bonds me semble un peu loufoque. Aussi l'idée que le Canada va accorder la moitié des voix au Québec.
Incidentally, I agree that Parizeau was misrepresented. The misunderstanding was understandable, but clearly the Englis press at least served mainly to muddy the issue. Also incidentally, I heard le vote ethnique. Trontonian 00:23, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just remembered I sent a letter to the Toronto Star pointing out how Mr. Parizeau's generalization was more defensible than some they'd been making and they had a shit fit. Their "ombud" published a column declaring I represented an extreme of political correctness (without of course stating what I had said or letting me reply). I have a PDF online with an article about this contretemps if you're interested. Trontonian 18:16, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- My aged memory failed me. The PDF doesn't include the observations to the Star about Mr. Parizeau's generalization. The Star had just published an editorial attacking Mr. Parizeau, and the next day had published some entirely indefensible accusations about people with disabilities. I pointed out that Mr. Parizeau was at least attempting to explain things. Well, I could ramble on and on (I'm ill and delirious at the moment, as I was yesterday when I made my previous observations), but you probably had enough of this long ago. Trontonian 20:11, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
PROBLEMS with article- what was the exact day and location of this event? Who was in the audience, ect.. EXTERNAL LINKS copy link to a full transcript of the speech and possibly a translation into English? Links to audio/video clips of the speech- are these provided in the article "The Parizeau Affair"--Blkshrt 19:37, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Sources?
We really should have some sources for some of the assertions made in the article. - 31 december 2005
- I agree. There are a lot of stats and some of the assertions will be contested eventually if they are not properly sourced. -- Mathieugp 15:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anti-Semitic remark
I don't have a reference for this, but I have heard that "Par l'argent" was supposed to be a reference to the Montreal Jewish community.
- Yes. There was something published to that effet in a paper column. Maybe in the Montreal Gazette or any of the other English language newspapers continually defamating the sovereigntists. The money more accurately refers to the illegal expenditures of the No side during the 1995 referendum. See Option Canada, Committee to Register Voters Outside Quebec, Canadian Unity Council, 1995 Quebec referendum (section on spending limits) and Sponsorship scandal. -- Mathieugp 15:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV
Recent partisan edits by User:Soul scanner made an already unreferenced and poorly written article even worst. I think it is time to source everything and rewrite the article in a truly NPOV fashion. Otherwise, the article should be deleted. -- Mathieugp 20:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- You will note that I sourced the additions; to tell you the truth, I think we should get rid of the interpretation and let the quote stand for itself
[edit] Reverted to old intro
Rewritten Intro was too long, was poorly written, and poorly referenced. Context can be gained by following links added below.
