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[edit] References and content?

I've copyedited the initial text of the article based on my general knowledge of the Israeli primary and secondary school system, but collateral and supportive information about this program is lacking:

• The Hebrew Wikipedia has no corresponding article
• A search in the Hebrew Wikipedia for the Hebrew acronym for Mofet shows no mention of it, so its full name can't be given
• The External link that was provided had no connection to this educational program. (It was for a commercial enterprise for start-ups; I deleted the link and the section.)

Regarding content:

• The original language was ambiguous: what are "formal Mofet schools" and informal Mofet schools? (I took the latter as a backtranslation from the Hebrew term בילתי-פורמלי meaning "extracurricular [educational programs]", and otherwise suppose both refer to "[educational programs] offering Mofet instruction")
• The English-language website of the MOFET Institute doesn't appear to mention (at least at first glance) a pedagogical program of this name at the secondary or primary level, so I failed to find any relevant explanation there

The topic of this article is significant, but its content requires development. I'll keep it on my watchlist, if I can help with suggestions and cleanup. -- Deborahjay 15:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for finding my mistakes:

1. I will make a hebrew article about Mofet in the future.

When you do, remember to add interwiki links to both articles. -- Deborahjay 16:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

What is interwiki?

Michaelas10 16:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

A link between Wiki projects -- in this case, editions in different languages.

See Hakfar Hayarok article's History page where I added one, and look at Compare selected versions to find it (at the bottom of the edit page). The link shows up in the page's left sidebar, in a box titled In other languages situated under the Toolbox. -- Deborahjay

Nevermind, I decided not to make a hebrew Mofet article.

Michaelas10 19:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

2. I accidently put www.mofet.org.il instead of www.mofet.org (or the English version of the site: www.mofet.org/en/), fixed now.

3. I added the Hebrew acronym for Mofet.

4. It's extracurricular setting.

5. Not sure what exactly do you mean but it has nothing to do with the MOFET Institute.

A hunch that didn't pan out: I'd thought the similar name might indicate that the M. Institute had developed the secondary/primary program, but I didn't find anything like that. -- Deborahjay 16:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Mofet school"

[Also, ] there is no such thing "Mofet-based", it's simply called Mofet (for example: Mofet school, Mofet class, etc..).

Michaelas10 15:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be misunderstand me, there is no such thing as main subject, a Mofet school is exactly like a normal school in all subjects exept that they teach faster the subjects I previoded. Michaelas10 11:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

What you call a misunderstanding was actually my deliberate attempt to disambiguate. The use of the name "Mofet" as an attributive noun (i.e. modifying another noun) creates an ambiguity: a "Mofet school" could mean several things, such as "a school offering Mofet programs" or "a school entirely based on Mofet". As the latter is not the case, a write-around is preferable so that only the authentic meaning is connoted. -- HTH, Deborahjay 08:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

A "Mofet school" means a school entirely based on Mofet, it doesn't mean a school offering Mofet programs. That's how we use here it in Hebrew, I learn in Mofet.

Michaelas10 08:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

All I know about Mofet is from this article, which now lists the subjects as mathematics, physics, chemistry, English and Computers; at the time I wrote my remarks (above), there were only the first three and, if I recall correctly, "some biology and English". Since as far as I know, Israel's mandatory curriculum for high school and middle school includes Hebrew language (לשון), history, Bible (תנ"ך) and more (citizenship and literature?), I couldn't see how this makes a school teaching Mofet courses only in the sciences and some English, "entirely based on Mofet". As I'm an American living in Israel for over two decades, it's unlikely that the English-language readers of this article would understand it much differently, or better, than I. The article would be improved by more complete information and/or accurate descriptions. -- Hope this helps, Deborahjay 14:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I added to the article that Mofet classes teach other subjects normally. Even if Mofet classes teach other subjects normally, it's still "entirely based on Mofet" and I've never heard of a "partly Mofet" class. As for the school - there are many schools which classes are not all Mofet, these should be called "schools offering the Mofet program".

Michaelas10 16:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)