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[edit] Expos franchise

Since the article on the Expos franchise is still at Montreal Expos, shouldn't we keep the link to that, rather than to the nascent Washington team? john k 05:01, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How about we leave it with a note about expos through 2004, until something more official comes of the Washington article. siroχo 10:10, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Divisions?

Should the teams be sorted by divisions instead of alphabetic order? --KHill-LTown 17:11, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion without discussion

Linnwood (talk contribs) reverted the most recent changes to the template, declaring the previous version "easier to read"; instead of reverting that reversion, I thought I'd do what s/he should have done, which is get a sense of what the community thinks.

Here's version 1, the one that Linnwood prefers current template:

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL

NATIONAL LEAGUE
EASTERN DIVISION

Atlanta Braves
Florida Marlins
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Washington Nationals

CENTRAL DIVISION

Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Houston Astros
Milwaukee Brewers
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals

WESTERN DIVISION

Arizona Diamondbacks
Colorado Rockies
Los Angeles Dodgers
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants


AMERICAN LEAGUE
EASTERN DIVISION

Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Toronto Blue Jays

CENTRAL DIVISION

Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins

WESTERN DIVISION

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Oakland Athletics
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers


World Series | NLCS | ALCS | NLDS | ALDS | All-Star Game | MLB awards | Hall of Fame | MLBPA | Negro Leagues | Minor Leagues | History of baseball | Major League Baseball television contracts | Baseball year-by-year | World Baseball Classic

Here's version 2, the version Linnwood reverted purposed change:

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL
NATIONAL LEAGUE (Championship SeriesDivision Series)
    EASTERN Atlanta BravesFlorida MarlinsNew York MetsPhiladelphia PhilliesWashington Nationals
    CENTRAL Chicago CubsCincinnati RedsHouston AstrosMilwaukee BrewersPittsburgh PiratesSt. Louis Cardinals
    WESTERN Arizona DiamondbacksColorado RockiesLos Angeles DodgersSan Diego PadresSan Francisco Giants
AMERICAN LEAGUE (Championship SeriesDivision Series)
    EASTERN Baltimore OriolesBoston Red SoxNew York YankeesTampa Bay Devil RaysToronto Blue Jays
    CENTRAL Chicago White SoxCleveland IndiansDetroit TigersKansas City RoyalsMinnesota Twins
    WESTERN Los Angeles Angels of AnaheimOakland AthleticsSeattle MarinersTexas Rangers
World Series | All-Star Game | MLB awards | Hall of Fame | MLBPA | Negro Leagues | Minor Leagues | History of baseball | MLB television contracts | Baseball year-by-year | World Baseball Classic

Which is better? IMHO version 2 has three advantages:

  • it's two-thirds the size of the old version, without sacrificing any information;
  • the phrases at the boom (e.g. "World Series") are larger and therefore more legible; and
  • the links for Championship Series and Division Series are next to the leagues they apply to instead of at the bottom in the form of TLAs FLABs such as NLCS.

IMHO these three advantages, particularly the first one, outweigh the one advantage that version one has, which is that the AL and NL divisions form a nice grid.

I'm interested in hearing what others (including Linwood) think. Thanks. 66.167.139.143 08:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC).

  • IMO, I prefer version 1. It may be a tad bit larger, but it also appears to be a much cleaner looking template with the organization within it being a little more defined. Gateman1997 15:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I prefer version 2 as well as any future attempt to make this smaller. --Locarno 18:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • First off, our anonymous editor is the one who made major changes to a widely used template with out getting "a sense of what the community thinks." Reversion without discussion is what happened, and why I reverted it. What is posted now on the Talk page is what should have been done to start with. Don't make this personal, as you are doing right now by stating "Linnwood this" and "Linnwood that." Now as to the Template redesign, I find that version 1 is much easier to read. There no need to make it smaller. It contains quite a bit of information, and the column make it very easy to look through the divisions to find a team. The tiny amount of space saved vs. much more cluttered to me is not a good trade off. Please keep version 1Linnwood 19:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I prefer "version 1" as it is easier to read and more organized in appearance. Yadin twelve 06:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • While it is larger than I'd like, version 1 is much more flexible with regard to window width: it looks much better in very narrow and very wide windows. I do suggest trimming the number of links below the teams, though – in that one area, I version two is nicer. ×Meegs 18:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if there's a better option. I agree that version 2 loses any advantage in a narrower window. What about decreasing the amount of text--you can click on the team locations to get the name of the team, etc. Here's Version 3. Locarno 19:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL
NATIONAL LEAGUE (Championship SeriesDivision Series)
  EAST AtlantaFloridaNew YorkPhiladelphiaWashington
  CENTRAL ChicagoCincinnatiHoustonMilwaukeePittsburghSt. Louis
  WEST ArizonaColoradoLos AngelesSan DiegoSan Francisco
AMERICAN LEAGUE (Championship SeriesDivision Series)
  EAST BaltimoreBostonNew YorkTampa BayToronto
  CENTRAL ChicagoClevelandDetroitKansas CityMinnesota
  WEST Los Angeles/AnaheimOaklandSeattleTexas
World Series | All-Star Game | MLB awards | Hall of Fame | MLBPA | Negro Leagues | Minor Leagues | History of baseball | MLB television contracts | Baseball year-by-year | World Baseball Classic