Archive of January 2007

Please Use Edit Summaries

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

Hrmpf. I was lazy just once and get a notice? Damn. And you, sir, please revise your knowledge of posting new messages - the <div> you used was placed in the same line as the == ... == header and was not rendered/recognized properly. Happy editing, Миша13 00:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Is the source code for User:EssjayBot II/III available?

Hello. I'm interested in running a script similar to User:Werdnabot's archiver and that of User:EssjayBot II/III; I've been told by User:Essjay that you wrote the archival code for his bots. While I'm currently planning on writing my own code to do the job, I was wondering if the code for Essjay's bots was available, and if so, whether I could use that as a starting place for my own bot script? Thanks. Mike Peel 10:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I have placed the source code in User:MiszaBot/Source. It runs on the pywikipedia framework. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask questions - I wrote it while still in the stage of learning Python, so the code might be a bit obfuscated. :-) Миша13 11:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Mike Peel 12:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the rollback

We're all catching this guy on patrol this afternoon! (aeropagitica) 15:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Parser function

Hi Misza, I've started to update {{Templatesnotice}} and wanted to include the syntax for your Sig add on, but cannot get it to work. I thought it was {{subst:PAGENAME|Article|And this is some extra text.|n}}

Could you set me right please, oh and happy new year and all that.

Cheers Khukri ^{(talk . contribs)} 09:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Very cool userpage!

Do you mind if I borrow/steal some of the code for my userpage? I'll make enough changes that it won't be exactly like yours; I just like the collapsible box design. Let me know here, I'll watch the page. Thanks! -- weirdoactor ^t|c 20:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Feel free. It's a free wiki after all. :-) Most code is transcluded on various subpages and I also made the code of the main page barely readable (see why!). :-P But feel free to ask where are the specific elements located. Миша13 20:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Esperanza

Would you like to see Esperanza return. Geo. 01:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Huh? It has been shut down only recently and you want a return already? Give it some time to see who really cares. Out of 700+ members, I've seen no more that, say 20-30 participating in the Overhaul (see also uncyclopedia:Nobody cares); no more than 50 in the MfD. Some seem to have noticed post factum (probably because userboxes & banners started to disappear from their pages) - this proves that the Esperanza membership has completely devaluated itself (i.e. means nearly nothing). Also, to the recent over-bloated-bureaucratic shape it has taken, I say a decisive no. Let's have some time to think things over. Wikipedia can live without Esperanza. Миша13 18:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

My defcon template

I made it so a parameter could be low instead of 5 :) _→AzaToth 14:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. :) Unforunately, the general scheme we adopted was to use digits 0-5 instead of words (since the scale was re-done recently and levels changed their meanings). Миша13 14:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

True, but it's backward compatible. :) _→AzaToth 14:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

problem vandal

This vandal needs some attention, and since you were the one who last blocked him... .--JWJW Have a nice day :) 14:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

no matter i belive that the problem has been seen to.--JWJW Have a nice day :) 14:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Do not deleted sockpuppet-tagged userpages

I have just restored user:GoOdCoNtEnT, User:Anecdotesarecool, user:Johnnyp2000, user:Michael Woods, and user:Ffffffffffffffff333333 - all of which had been tagged and sockpuppets and all of which you had deleted. Do not delete these, or any other sockpuppet tagged userpages, again. Raul654 22:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not touching sockpuppet-tagged userpages. And now, none of the pages you mentioned are tagged as such and are therefore candidates for deletion on my next run. While at it, what's the point in tagging blatant WP:U violations such as Ffffffffffffffff333333 anyway? Миша13 23:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is the incident report - they're all sockpuppets of Goodcontent. Raul654 19:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't possibly expect me to read all of AN/I. Just remember to tag them with proper templates (these were lying around untouched for a month) - I don't touch pages with the word "sock" on them (among a few others). Cheers, :) Миша13 19:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict

➨ ЯEDVERS awards this Barnstar to Misza13 for beating me by milliseconds to blocking an idiot. On fire again... as usual! You're very good and much appreciated (as you would have seen if I'd blocked the nutter a millisecond earlier)

Well, why thank you, sir! :D Always ready to serve the collective. Миша13 21:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorter

Do you still keep User:Misza13/Scripts/Watchlist sorter working? It seems like a really good idea to me, but it doesn't seem to work. I see you haven't updated it in a while though, so maybe that's the problem. Just wondering. :) - cohesion 22:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it should work fine. It's not updated, because it's been working fine for me for all those months, never failing. What browser/OS configuration are you on? - this might help me track down the problem. Миша13 22:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe I screwed something up :) I'm on current mac os and current firefox. I put it here User:Cohesion/monobook.js. It doesn't seem to break anything, my watchlist just looks like it always has, maybe something important is commented out? - cohesion 00:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the script is self-contained and shouldn't require any external functions. It also doesn't seem to be commented out. Furthermore, I have copied your entire monobook into mine and it works. :/ Only thing that comes to my mind is some caching problems (did you do a hard refresh?) or OS-specific ones. In the latter case, I won't be able to help much. Миша13 10:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I'll try it on some other platforms and let you know. Thanks for trying mine out on yours. :D - cohesion 15:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't get it to work on windows under firefox 2.0.0.1 or internet explorer 7. Also doesn't work on Mac with safari. I removed al the other scripts I have also just to test. Maybe I'm thinking it does something other than what it is supposed to do? I was under the impression that it would seperate out the name spaces and display them all rather than have the dropdown. At this point it seems more likely that I am completely misunderstanding the goal rather than it not working. - cohesion 16:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Normally, when you visit your watchlist, edits are grouped by days, ordered by time of edit. With the sorter installed, edits within each day are supposed to be additionally grouped by namespaces (while retaining the timely order within a namespace). How many pages do you have on your watchlist? Maybe there's not enough of them for the effect to manifest itself? Миша13 16:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's how I thought it should work. I have 200 something, across all namespaces. Who knows. - cohesion 17:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, here's how it should look like: [1] Миша13 17:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Praise jeebus, it's not compatible with the enhanced recent changes in preferences. Turned that off and it works great :D Yipee! hehe - cohesion 18:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar from WP:UW

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I award this barnstar to Misza13 for your help and assistance in getting the WikiProject user warnings to the review phase, and to let you know your work has been appreciated. Khukri (talk . contribs) 22:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you much! Though I haven't been very active recently. I promise to pick it up again soonish. :D Миша13 22:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Some stuff about my user page.

Can you give me some pointers on it? For one thing, can you help me install a proper status switcher? I made a userbox and it's pretty convenient, but when I heard about yours I checked out the page for it, and it seems kind of complicated from my perspective. Anyway please help me in that area! --SuperLuigi31 01:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, as instructed on User:Misza13/Scripts/Status switcher, do the following:

• Create a page User:SuperLuigi31/StatusTemplate and put the following code there (for a good start):

'''<div style="border: 1px solid black; background: white; float: right; position: relative; top: -30px; padding: 5px">SuperLuigi31's status: {{ #switch: {{{1}}}
 | in=<span style="color: green;">IN</span>
 | busy=<span style="color: #FFAA00;">BUSY</span>
 | out=<span style="color: red;">OUT</span>
}}
</div>'''

• Create a page User:SuperLuigi31/Status and put the code {{User:SuperLuigi31/StatusTemplate|in}} there. Now you should have a fully functional switcher - just put {{User:SuperLuigi31/Status}} on your main userpage (or wherever you want it) and it will display your status. To change it, just visit User:SuperLuigi31/Status and change "in" to "busy" or "out". This can be do by hand or...
• ...visit User:SuperLuigi31/monobook.js, put {{subst:User:Misza13/Scripts/Status switcher}} there and save. Then purge you browser's cache. Three links (named "in", "busy" and "out") should appear in the upper right corner of every page (besides the "logout" button) - click them to see what they do.

Once done, you can go back to User:SuperLuigi31/StatusTemplate and edit it to adjust how the status display should look like (by default it's just an ugly white box with the text "SuperLuigi31's status: IN/BUSY/OUT" in different colors).

Good luck & tell me if you have any problems. Миша13 10:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Well... I have purged my cache a few times using the instructons at WP:PURGE, however I can't find the IN/BUSY/OUT links up there... --SuperLuigi31 14:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot about one more function, the addlilink(). I hope you don't mind that I have added it to you monobook to speed things up. If it doesn't show up immediately now, do one more purge and the links should show up. Миша13 16:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!!--SuperLuigi31 19:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Status switcher script

Someone just stole your idea and posted it to the Community Portal :D – Gurch 12:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Not really. That one was developed (albeit at some beta stage) even before mine. However, I find it overly complicated (with xmlhttprequests etc) and un elegant. Mine is simple and it's only one short function. :) Миша13 12:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"High risk" templates

Hi Misza13. Has there been any consensus on all of the protections you've been making lately? Could you please point me to the discussion. In particular, I don't see why WikiProject templates like {{WikiProject California}} need to be protected and I think it will discourage WikiProject participation if these sort of things are done needlessly. Thanks. Mike Dillon 18:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello.

1. Your template is transcluded on over 10'000 pages. Highly transcluded templates are both a tasty target for vandals and a risk to Wikipedia's stability (as proven by yesterday's outage caused mainly by some template experiments on eswiki) - please see WP:HRT.
2. Can you provide any reason why that paricular template should be edited? It's in a stable version and should be put on talk pages of articles, not extensively edited. Non-admins may request edits to protected pages by using the {{editprotected}} tag on the talk page.

I hope you understand. Regards, Миша13 19:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand, I just think it's unfortunate. I don't think the vandal target argument makes sense for most talk page templates, especially WikiProject templates. However, the job queue argument stands. I've looked into restructuring the way the job queue works to not reprocess duplicate entries for the same article, but I never went anywhere with the code. As for necessary changes, User:BlankVerse tweaks the template fairly regularly, but it is nothing high priority. I'm more worried about the lag time on protected template requests with the hugely increased number of protected templates. Mike Dillon 20:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

We haven't actually increased the number by that much. About 60 more templates have been fully protected, there were many more than that protected already. Also, a lot of these should hardly need to be edited at all; many of them haven't been edited in months. Others are formatting templates or messages for "tagging" things; these really need consensus before a change is made, so as changes should be proposed on the talk page anyway, adding {{editprotected}} shouldn't be too much of a burden. Most protected edit requests at the moment are to articles that have been protected, usually due to edit warring, so even a big increase in the number of edit requests for templates shouldn't make too much difference – Gurch 21:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Iff you are going to protect {{WikiProject California}}, then add {{protected template}} to it so that it shows up in Category:Protected templates. If protected templates are not being tagged, then that category probably greatly underrepresents the number of templates that are protected. For example, it looks like at least 1/3rd of the templates listed at Wikipedia:List of indefinitely protected pages# High use templates haven't been tagged. As far as I can tell, NONE of the templates listed at Wikipedia:List of protected pages#Other pages has been tagged (roughly 150 templates). ^BlankVerse 00:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Also look at the pages that have their talk pages tagged with {{Permprot}} a or {{Temprot}} b. My guess is that still doesn't catch quite a few of the templates that have been protected. ^BlankVerse 01:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It is the whole point in protecting them - so that they are not edited (see the job queue argument above). I may eventually tag all of them, but gradually, one at a time and during hours of low activity. Миша13 08:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. There is one template in particular that I protected which doesn't have {{protected template}}, but is used on so many pages I'm afraid to modify it for fear of what will happen – Gurch 13:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:TrainsWikiProject

Can you please unprotect this? I would like to remove a redundant category. --NE2 05:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Please put {{editprotected}} on the template's talk page, explaining the desired change. An administrator will eventually come and do it. (Or you can explain it here and I'll do it.) Миша13 07:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Essjaybot III

Hi. Essjay told me that you wrote this bot so I figured I would forward you my suggestions - 1 (easy) - if creating a new archive page (like it did for me) can it put {{talkarchive}} at the top of the page? - 2 (harder) - autoupdate {{archive box}} if it exists (just the archive name is more than enough). Thanks for the great tool! If it is Perl I can help. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 14:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The bot is written in Python. Unfortunately, even (1) isn't a trivial feature to add, because the code is right now a big pile of spaghetti, not easily extensible. The bot will need a major rewrite, for which I have little time these weeks (in February, maybe...). Cheers, Миша13 14:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Not a fan of python, I've had to use it a little with some Trac code I've done. Oh well, if looking to re-write please jot that down in your todo list and thanx tons for the tool! — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 22:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate humor tags

Hi, I noticed you're listed as in charge of the Inappropriate Humor tags on the current, um, warning... unification... project. I've noticed that, at times, there are overlap issues with the first two tags, where you have smiley faces rather than the usual icon. I didn't want to change your tags myself, but I experimented with Preview and I think that if you delete the |left switch from the end of the relevant image tags, the problem is fixed. I'm not certain, but I think that works. Hopefully you'll find this handy - the project looks amazing. Rawling 23:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

DXRAW Sockpuppet

Damm your quick, In light of me being accused of being a sockpuppet for the third time. I was creating the "Official" DXRAW sockpuppet but before i even had a chance to tag it with a Alternate accounts it got blocked. Could i please get it unblocked. Thanks DXRAW 13:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

User Talk page deletions

Hi Misza13,

Back in November you deleted these pages: User_talk:71.204.14.32 and User talk:216.91.92.18, both with the edit summary Temporary Wikipedian userpage not edited for a month. Both the IP addresses have been indef blocked because of spamming for Kellen company (see the WikProject Spam archive for more details). I believe the talk page content would provide context should the blocks need to be reconsidered, or if Kellen attempts to start editing again. Would you consider restoring the pages? Thanks -- Siobhan Hansa 17:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Images

I didn't just slap a tag on it I made it... And how far off does it have to be, so that there isn't any copyright infringement? Ard0 ^{(Talk - Contribs)} 08:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You blocked Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (talk • contribs) with an expiry time of idefinite and he/she didn't make any contributions. Why did you block him/her? Kamope · talk · contributions 22:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

If you check the block again, you'll see that I have provided a very clear reason - a username block. Please see Wikipedia:Username#Inappropriate usernames:

• Names that consist of random or apparently random sequences of letters and/or numbers or of extended repetition of a particular character.
• Extremely lengthy names.

Waaaaaaaaaaa (now tell me - how many a's are there?) violates both of these points. Cheers, Миша13 09:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Michaelgaughan cleanup

Thanks for fixing that mess. One overkill though...User talk:Michaelgaughan had a viable warning from me in addition to the VP nonsense. Could you revive that page? DMacks 20:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure. We're fighting a quickly-spreading disease here and are forced to delete pages that caught the "virus" en masse before the users actually read it. Cheers, Миша13 20:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries. DMacks 20:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just a quick note to thank you for blocking Fatmoogle and cleaning up his mess. As I noted on his talkpage, I noticed what he was doing but didn't know what else to do than warn him. --Mark ^{(Talk | Contribs | Email)} 21:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Actually, in cases like this (spreading a monobook "virus"), the best that can be done is: 1. delete the user's monobook.js and 2. block him (best if done in that order) and 3. delete the pages he created. All that requires a quick admin intervention, so WP:AIV might be the best shot, or IRC, if you use it. Миша13 22:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)