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Contents 1 added sentence 2 removed sentence 3 pinhas kehati 4 Historical study 5 The Structured Mishnah 6 Hebrew naming conventions 7 Incredible 8 Introduction is misleading 9 signed in Israel 10 Good links

[edit] added sentence

I added a sentence noting that the Oral Law is a companion to the Written Law, rather than derived from it, as the article notes that there is little basis in the scripture for the Mishna. GaelicWizard 01:54, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In the standard sense, it is not derived from it, but the Talmud spends a great deal of time showing how it could be. The Talmud (Chulin, 28:a) quotes Deu 12:21 as an example where the Written Law refers to the Oral Law. -- Chacham 20:32, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] removed sentence

I removed the sentence claiming that the Talmud, unlike the Mishna, deals only with issues contemporary with its writings. Actually, the Babylonian Talmud (but not the Jerusalem Talmud) covers all the tractates of the Mishna dealing with sacrifices, and the Babylonian Talmud is considered the authoritative one. Danny

I wrote the section on commentaries today, without checking if there was any overlap with the rest of the article. Some smoothing out is probably inevitable. I also managed to miss out Pinhas Kehati; I'll write him up later... JFW | T@lk 21:59, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] pinhas kehati

As far as I'm aware, Pinhas Kehati was never an ordained Rabbi. While I can't meet the Wiki standards on verifiability, and am unwilling to jump into my first edit with something i can't show, I'm also certain that the title Rabbi has been a later addition. I believe that Kehati was a worker at Bank Mizrahi in Israel (which doesn't, of course, exclude him from having being ordained), and not a Rabbi as this page claims. I'm happy to make the edit, but want to test it out in the talk page first - any objections / suggestions? Ronch 07:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical study

I rewrote some of this section by User:RK. Unless I missed it, shouldn't we also quote Zacharias Fraenkel and the Darkei ha-Mishna?
I do object against the long list of references, as many of them are not directly quoted in the text. The article would be served by a small set of references (5-7), and (for example) mention of Danby's Oxford translation, as well as ArtScroll's Yad Avraham. JFW | T@lk 17:44, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The only reason I shoved in a huge list of references was that I suspected that this topic might grow lengthy, and be spun-off into a separate article. RK

I doubt this will happen. Would you awfully mind trimming some references, e.g. stick to the main publications of the main people you've quoted? I will see if I can get a good reference for Danby's translation. Yad Avraham comes in numerous volumes, and cannot be easily referenced. JFW | T@lk 19:34, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Okay, Herbert Danby actually has a Wikipedia page written up about him! Would you be so kind as to comment how we should categorise Zacharias Fraenkel? I think he belongs under the second category of historical Mishna schools. I also deleted all your references to Talmud historical study; however fascinating, this belongs under Talmud and not in the Mishna article. Please try to narrow down the remaining references a little bit more... JFW | T@lk 19:52, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

All your edits and revisions are fine by me. I am unsure of where Zacharias Fraenkel fits into all of this. Most of his work is available only in German. He did accept the idea that the Mishnah, as we have it today, has undergone later editorial accretions and smoothing. From the little I have read of his views on this issue, I would suspect that his views were similar to that of Lee Levine, David C. Kraemer and Robert Goldenberg. RK

I don't want to edit, in case I don't understand author's intent -- but I think there should be some editing to clarify when "Rabbi" is used to mean Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi.

[edit] The Structured Mishnah

I privately wrote and asked what text "The Stuctured Mishnah" is based on. The website says the Kaufmann manuscript, but the person who did the work and set up the website says he actually transcribed the Albeck edition (letter for letter apparently).

[edit] Hebrew naming conventions

Urgent: see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew) to add your opinions about this important matter. Thank you. IZAK 18:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incredible

I know that this is an English website, but you might have thought that some mention would be made of the single most important academic work published on the Mishnah, J.N.Epstein's monumental Mavo Le-Nosah Ha-Mishna!

[edit] Introduction is misleading

The introduction should explain what the Mishnah is. Then go on to talk about Rabbi Judah haNasi's compilation of the Mishnah named the Mishnah. 203.158.57.190 17:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand what you are saying, could you elaborate? Jon513 15:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] signed in Israel

I think it's important to note right in the introduction that the misnah was ratified in the land of israel and not in the disapora. Could the main editors of the article please add this ? Amoruso 17:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good links

There are a number of good links from http://www.emet.blog-city.com/the_value_of_learning_mishna.htm that ought to be incorporated into this article, imho. (I added one, anyone else want to?) -- Sholom 04:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I added a section on omissions in the Mishna. I'm afraid my writing is not up to scratch so it may need some editing. Margolies also has an intriguing theory that there were originally seven orders of the Mishna. Wolf2191 19:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

"and is considered the first work of Rabbinic Judaism" I'm not sure about this. Hoffman claims that the Medrashei halochoh precede the Mishna and Rebbe actually used them to compile the Mishna. One should really add R' Y. Y. Weinberg, the Seridei Eish to the historical references.He has several extensive articles in Kol Kitvei and SE 4 on the subject. He was the last Orthodox Rabbi to discuss this issue (besides for R' Margolies). I'm not aware that the Maharshal wrote a commentary on the Mishna. (Maharshal is on Talmud.)Wolf2191 19:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC) My citation for hoffman is the book mentioned below. I don't know why someone put in citation neededWolf2191 15:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)